RE: Porsche Cayenne Diesel S: Review

[TWPC]

This quote from the review would stop me ever having one: "it's not really that spacious given the bulk of the thing."
It would just do my head in. The V8 diesel sounds an amazing thing but I would have to have it in the Panamera which isn't really pretending to be anything other than a saloon/hatchback.

The other thing that amazes me is that the Macan is only 16.5cm shorter than the Cayenne and I guess less spacious. I suppose the saving grace is that it is about 10% lighter and will have a lower CoG but...

[toppstuff]

Simond S said:

Ozzie Osmond said:

Garlick said:

Fittster said:

Is there any evidence that Porches subsidize petrol sports cars via the sale of diesel 4x4 and saloons?

I think they openly admit it themselves. It's a fact, profit lies in this sector.

Which is why Lotus can't get a sportscar on the market at a competitive price/specification - they've got nothing to subsidise it. Real squeeze on all the other British sportscar builders too.

Or, they just don't have a good enough product and appeal to too small a client base.

I don't think it is possible to survive as volume sports car maker anymore unless you have a diverse range of other car types and can sell volume. Thats the simple truth.

Porsche make SUV's. Ferrari have Fiat and Maserati on their side. Lamborghini are VAG. Take Aston Martin, they are looking pretty desperate and cash starved without an SUV or a development of the Lagonda brand.

[TWPC]

Simond S said:

Another great Sports 4x4.. Whilst this market sector will always have its haters it seems that the cas are getting better and better.

Absolutely right: I find the concept of a 'sports 4x4' oxymoronic but as time passes am finding it harder to deny that the vehicles in the sector are increasingly impressive...

[cayman-black]

I hate to say this but these are now the strong cars from Porsche. This or the new sport iam not sure yet. Thre thing with the RR is it incourages you to drive in a clam relaxed mannor, with this perhaps i would be on it a bit more, bad thing.

[zeb]

j911 said:

dukebox9reg said:

Thats the thing I see reports on these, they are small inside. The RRS are at least huuuge inside compared to these and have the 5 + 2 option.

Suppose where you want to throw your money at an SUV, pace or space.

Er no, a Cayenne is much bigger than a RRS, I know, I have both.

Ive had X5, RRS and now a cayenne and to be fair theres not a great deal of difference space wise with any of them. The cayenne is by far the better vehicle though

[DonkeyApple]

Amirhussain said:

smilo996 said:

Once upon a time Porsche used to make sports cars, now most of their time is taken making modified Audi SUV's.

In order for them to make the sports cars, they gotta sell stuff like this.

I know I bang on about this but as of 2007/8 this isn't the case. They have no need to make mass utility vehicles as the rest of the VW Group covers that area. Porsche could very easily ditch all of this stuff and focus on sports cars because of the massive divi income that the holding company receives from the 30+% holding in VW Group.

But that's by the by. For me Porache is about performance. In my eyes it doesn't matter what segment they enter so long as they are at the top of that sector in performance.

So, in my eyes, this diesel SUV is Porsche through and through.

As I've said before, I would like Porsche to ditch the non performance models in an ideal world.

[Tim16V]

Phew...32% price difference between base and a half decent spec, that is serious 'upselling' and with those prices mostly profit.

You've got to admire the business case!

[Walter Sobchak]

T1berious said:

And in a click of the fingers the Range Rover is shown to be really really expensive.

60k base price?

Bet they won't be able to make enough.

I'll take one in metallic grey with black leather in 3 years.

T1b

I'm a big fan of the Range Rover and Sport but I think the new ones are very expensive for what they are, £81k for the SDV8 in the new Sport is ridiculous-it's the same price as the Supercharged model!!, the pros of them is I think they look nicer than the Cayenne, and their superior off road ability which hardly anyone uses, got to say though the Cayenne probably is better to drive,has better performance and is cheaper, if I was in the market I would probably buy one too.

[Gandahar]

Is there any point of this car apart from showing you have made it in life and so ticks a box to show same?

it's like a trophy wife on 4 wheels.

[Dagnut]

Under 6 seconds to 60 in a diesel jeep.

[Remagel2507]

These are looking very appealing at the moment, thinking of moving our Gen 1 Turbo S on, and these look very tempting

[Frimley111R]

These things are so low now its hard to call them 'proper' 4x4s now surely? Its really just a jacked up estate car.

[cayman-black]

Gandahar said:

Is there any point of this car apart from showing you have made it in life and so ticks a box to show same?

it's like a trophy wife on 4 wheels.

What a stupid thing to say.

[British Beef]

Haters be hating! ..... and I am one of them.

I would rather the RRS, and would say it is the difference between buying a Bentley and a Mercedes S class.

In many Objective areas the Porsche / Merc S may be better, however in every Subjective way I prefer the cultured option.

[Cacatous]

Ozzie Osmond said:

Which is why Lotus can't get a sportscar on the market at a competitive price/specification - they've got nothing to subsidise it. Real squeeze on all the other British sportscar builders too.

Well now you all know what Les Edgar is working on...

[Alfa159Ti]

This just further confirms what I have been pondering for the last few weeks more and more.

The sports car is dead.

I seem to be part of a tiny and still dwindling pool of people who want a sporty two seater as a daily.

The world has changed and everyone wants 4x4s (or faux - 4x4s at least). No-one wants sports cars.

No wonder Audi don't want to mess with the TT too much - it is about the only semi-sports car that is selling in any real numbers.

I know this is nothing new, but in the last few weeks I have become accutely aware that on most journeys my car is the only two seater I see, other than the occasional MX5, MR2 or 911.

[zeb]

Gandahar said:

Is there any point of this car apart from showing you have made it in life and so ticks a box to show same?

it's like a trophy wife on 4 wheels.

unhappy with your corsa are you sweetie?

[corden]

£712 for roof bars!!

I do like it though...

[Cassius81]

Really quite like these - although for me, it would need to be a sensible, subtle colour, no tints, probably on 18s or 19s and ideally de-badged.

In such a spec they actually look reasonably classy and well resolved to my eye. And with this engine, a very good all-rounder (sleeper even?)

There are a couple of such cars on Porsche's used car database.

Now I just need to wait until they are 30k...

[corden]

Cassius81 said:

And with this engine, a very good all-rounder (sleeper even?)

I'm not sure you can call a £60k Porsche a 'sleeper' wherever guise it's in...