RE: Porsche Cayenne Diesel S: Review
Discussion
corden said:
Cassius81 said:
And with this engine, a very good all-rounder (sleeper even?)
I'm not sure you can call a £60k Porsche a 'sleeper' wherever guise it's in...Countersteer said:
Two things that I don't like about Diesels: The sound and the sound. If a manufacturer can do something about that then I'll give them a chance...
article said said:
Firstly, how the hell did they make a diesel sound this good? From the outside it's got a proper V8 burble, just even bassier than normal. At manoeuvring speeds it's got real menace and tickling it around town the engine's rumble is a constant presence. The type likely to encourage levels of smugness.
I think they may have covered that.Alfa159Ti said:
I seem to be part of a tiny and still dwindling pool of people who want a sporty two seater as a daily.
I don't think it's the case that people no longer "want" a sporty two seater as a daily driver, but more the practicality of having one.I'd love a 2 seater as a daily driver but it's simply not practical for the other duties it has to fulfill.
I think therefore people who have £90k to spend on a 911, but suddenly find themselves with 3 children, a dog, and all the associated crap that goes with it end up buying something like this as it copes with family life, but is still enjoyable to drive.
A sweeping generalisation I'm sure, but I guess most people who can afford to buy / run a car in this price sector have a few years under their belt so will probably find themselves with family?
cayman-black said:
I hate to say this but these are now the strong cars from Porsche. This or the new sport iam not sure yet. Thre thing with the RR is it incourages you to drive in a clam relaxed mannor, with this perhaps i would be on it a bit more, bad thing.
Exactly, my sentiments entirely. I want my sports cars to be sports cars and my SUV type cars to be SUVs. When I've got my children sitting in the back, it makes me drive a little differently (not least because there's the risk they will be sick!)
I got my Diesel S in May 13. I couldn't get myself, wife and 3 kids in a 911 or a Panamera (why no bench-seat?) and the roads where I live are awful, so the Cayenne it was.
This thing has all the real world performance you need unless you absolutely have to have a Turbo and it really sounds like a petrol V8. Even the dealer thought it was a petrol until he looked under the bonnet and it is effortless to drive.
I have cruised across Europe, down to Cornwall and up to Scotland on trips and it is faultless regardless of surface/gradient/weather.
A 911 would be my ideal car but the Cayenne ticks all the key boxes right now. If I can ever afford a 911, I can be happy in the fact that I will have partially subsidized my next purchase :-)
This thing has all the real world performance you need unless you absolutely have to have a Turbo and it really sounds like a petrol V8. Even the dealer thought it was a petrol until he looked under the bonnet and it is effortless to drive.
I have cruised across Europe, down to Cornwall and up to Scotland on trips and it is faultless regardless of surface/gradient/weather.
A 911 would be my ideal car but the Cayenne ticks all the key boxes right now. If I can ever afford a 911, I can be happy in the fact that I will have partially subsidized my next purchase :-)
Not been in the diesel, but perhaps the biggest surprise of my automotive life was driving the Cayenne Turbo S last year.
It's a bit of a cliche, but the handling of those things really does defy physics. I seem to remember coming away thinking the steering would give the 991 a run for its money.
It's a bit of a cliche, but the handling of those things really does defy physics. I seem to remember coming away thinking the steering would give the 991 a run for its money.
toppstuff said:
Simond S said:
Ozzie Osmond said:
Garlick said:
Fittster said:
Is there any evidence that Porches subsidize petrol sports cars via the sale of diesel 4x4 and saloons?
I think they openly admit it themselves. It's a fact, profit lies in this sector.Porsche make SUV's. Ferrari have Fiat and Maserati on their side. Lamborghini are VAG. Take Aston Martin, they are looking pretty desperate and cash starved without an SUV or a development of the Lagonda brand.
If the argument is you need the SUV to fund the development of the sports cars, you dont, as mentioned allready VW could fund them. If the sports models make a profit they would get the money back.
If the sports models do make a profit the model diversification is purely to make more money from the parts bin, (not a bad thing for the VW bottom line of course), and that is why it upsets the Porshe fans. This car is no different in concept from a SEAT Exeo really.
so my questions are....
1.Do porsche loose money on all the sports cars they sell?
2.If they do will they stop making them one day?
none of this stops it being a good car of course, just like the Exeo.
best car i have ever owned, (V6 turbodiesel) and honestly, don't bother with the air suspension, the standard steel setup is brilliant. I'm now skiing in switzerland, yesterday have had a 12 hour door to door journey, taken 4 persons and all their luggage, towing a QPOD, (french version of a quad bike), and all that on one tank of fuel! 620 miles..and no fatigue at all...JUST BRILLIANT!
As for the V8, well recon that will be the replacement!
As for the V8, well recon that will be the replacement!
carnut360 said:
best car i have ever owned, (V6 turbodiesel) and honestly, don't bother with the air suspension, the standard steel setup is brilliant. I'm now skiing in switzerland, yesterday have had a 12 hour door to door journey, taken 4 persons and all their luggage, towing a QPOD, (french version of a quad bike), and all that on one tank of fuel! 620 miles..and no fatigue at all...JUST BRILLIANT!
As for the V8, well recon that will be the replacement!
Agreed, just drove back in mine up through Spain and again 600+ miles at 34mpg at an average of over 125kph is not too shabby - loaded to the gunnels with stuff too. I do miss the V8 though, as I had two previously, so this Diesel S is the obvious one to go for next. As for comparisons with FFRRs, I can't get excited about a vehicle that can't go round a corner without falling over. As for the V8, well recon that will be the replacement!
Mr Gandahar, I think you are on the wrong forum, Pistonheads not workers Revolutinary Party. Can we put your outburst down to the fact you had one too many at Tony Benn's wake today.
Garlick said:
Gandahar said:
Is there any point of this car apart from showing you have made it in life and so ticks a box to show same?
it's like a trophy wife on 4 wheels.
Wow.it's like a trophy wife on 4 wheels.
Prawnboy said:
toppstuff said:
Simond S said:
Ozzie Osmond said:
Garlick said:
Fittster said:
Is there any evidence that Porches subsidize petrol sports cars via the sale of diesel 4x4 and saloons?
I think they openly admit it themselves. It's a fact, profit lies in this sector.Porsche make SUV's. Ferrari have Fiat and Maserati on their side. Lamborghini are VAG. Take Aston Martin, they are looking pretty desperate and cash starved without an SUV or a development of the Lagonda brand.
If the argument is you need the SUV to fund the development of the sports cars, you dont, as mentioned allready VW could fund them. If the sports models make a profit they would get the money back.
If the sports models do make a profit the model diversification is purely to make more money from the parts bin, (not a bad thing for the VW bottom line of course), and that is why it upsets the Porshe fans. This car is no different in concept from a SEAT Exeo really.
so my questions are....
1.Do porsche loose money on all the sports cars they sell?
2.If they do will they stop making them one day?
none of this stops it being a good car of course, just like the Exeo.
Alfa159Ti said:
This just further confirms what I have been pondering for the last few weeks more and more.
The sports car is dead.
I seem to be part of a tiny and still dwindling pool of people who want a sporty two seater as a daily.
The world has changed and everyone wants 4x4s (or faux - 4x4s at least). No-one wants sports cars.
No wonder Audi don't want to mess with the TT too much - it is about the only semi-sports car that is selling in any real numbers.
I know this is nothing new, but in the last few weeks I have become accutely aware that on most journeys my car is the only two seater I see, other than the occasional MX5, MR2 or 911.
The sports car is far from dead, just look at how many are on offer up and down the price range. Small British manufacturers aside, they wouldn't be made if they weren't being bought.The sports car is dead.
I seem to be part of a tiny and still dwindling pool of people who want a sporty two seater as a daily.
The world has changed and everyone wants 4x4s (or faux - 4x4s at least). No-one wants sports cars.
No wonder Audi don't want to mess with the TT too much - it is about the only semi-sports car that is selling in any real numbers.
I know this is nothing new, but in the last few weeks I have become accutely aware that on most journeys my car is the only two seater I see, other than the occasional MX5, MR2 or 911.
At the end of the day, most people need a practical car so people who own a sports car often also own a people carrier or SUV. I have a 911 and also a Mazda5 7-seater. Practicalities of life dictate that my 7-seater is on the road more often than my sports car. Also, sports cars aren't great for commuting so if my work required commuting, I'd have a boring saloon/hatch as well. Perhaps that's why you don't see many sports cars or two seaters (you seem to use the terms interchangeably) - they spend a lot of time on the driveway waiting for an opportunity to be driven.
By the way, sorry to finish on a pedantic note, but those 911s you see aren't two seaters. They are sports cars though
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