RE: Ferrari 512 TR: PH Fleet
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[quote=LY99]Pah - my Dads bill from Lovetts for his F430 was just shy of 5k 
Getting my TR belts done next month, but won't be going to a main dealer. Its the first time it'll be serviced in my ownership (only bought it last october). Looking through the service history theres some monumentally scary bills including £16k (yes £16,000) for a gearbox rebuild....
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On a serious note though, why so expensive? £16k for a gearbox rebuild?! I mean, is it made out of platimum or is it just that complicated?! Or is it becuase they CAN?
Not being pedantic, just genuinely interested in why they cost so much, compared, to say an E60 M5 gearbox rebuild?
Getting my TR belts done next month, but won't be going to a main dealer. Its the first time it'll be serviced in my ownership (only bought it last october). Looking through the service history theres some monumentally scary bills including £16k (yes £16,000) for a gearbox rebuild....
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On a serious note though, why so expensive? £16k for a gearbox rebuild?! I mean, is it made out of platimum or is it just that complicated?! Or is it becuase they CAN?
Not being pedantic, just genuinely interested in why they cost so much, compared, to say an E60 M5 gearbox rebuild?
It does go with the ownership experience; and anyone who expects to get away lightly year on year will be disappointed. I've had my 328 for nine years now and it has averaged 3k pa in maintenance over that period of time. Sounds like a lot and it is a pain, but its been worth it. Over a similar period of time a friend has owned a V8 Esprit and another a Griff 500, all used for 4-6000 miles per annum and all have worked out at similar average running costs - maybe my friends have been unlucky and the chap with the Griff couldn't stomach it and has given up, but I think its just a price you have to pay for owning something vaguely exotic, that is older and that you want to keep in tip top condition. I certainly don't plan on getting rid anytime soon.
dtmpower said:
Not this again - can't you just enjoy the story rather than dissecting the backstory ?
Wow.... Adenauer said:
That's none of your business, surely? 
And I never said it was. I just put my thoughts into type. I think Chris and his cars are great, you certainly won't see me knocking the man. I'm sorry if my being inquisitive offends you though. Am I jealous as hell? You betcha!
Imagine if man had never wondered about things..... We wouldn't even have cars!
Edited by TroubledSoul on Thursday 3rd April 15:43
pSyCoSiS]Y99 said:
Pah - my Dads bill from Lovetts for his F430 was just shy of 5k
Getting my TR belts done next month, but won't be going to a main dealer. Its the first time it'll be serviced in my ownership (only bought it last october). Looking through the service history theres some monumentally scary bills including £16k (yes £16,000) for a gearbox rebuild....
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Or is it becuase they CAN?
I suspect this is the answer. "Well it is a Ferrari, sir..."Getting my TR belts done next month, but won't be going to a main dealer. Its the first time it'll be serviced in my ownership (only bought it last october). Looking through the service history theres some monumentally scary bills including £16k (yes £16,000) for a gearbox rebuild....
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Or is it becuase they CAN?
peatmoor said:
I just love the fact that no matter how bad I feel about my car addiction, Chris makes its all ok (relatively speaking). Its the complete honesty I love, like an Alcholics Anonymous confession to a group of similar alcoholics nodding in unison - of course without the life ruining effects!
I lose track of what he has - the 512TR I'd completely forgotten about! Anyone keeping track of his current collection? I love looking at everyone's garage section so disappointed not to see one on Chris' profile
Audi S4 Avant
Ferrari 512TR
RR Autobiography
Ferrari FF
What have I missed?
I think as others started posting:I lose track of what he has - the 512TR I'd completely forgotten about! Anyone keeping track of his current collection? I love looking at everyone's garage section so disappointed not to see one on Chris' profile
Audi S4 Avant
Ferrari 512TR
RR Autobiography
Ferrari FF
What have I missed?
E30 325i rally car with spare Alpina 2.7 block.
E28 M5
I think he has but can't confirm:
AX GT
Land Rover Defender
205 Gti
I watched a video on Drive where I'm pretty sure he showed his garage and what was in it at the time. A bit like Harry Metcalfe from EVO has done in the past on the EVO youtube channel.
Sorry to read of the trials and tribulations, but it has to be worth the aggro. Glad to hear it's all singing and dancing fine now.
I love the supercars of this era, what character, real bedroom-wall-poster-when-I-was-a-kid stuff. I'd have one of these over a modern supercar all day long, purely on an emotional level. Need to get something like this, might have to settle for an Esprit on my budget...
I love the supercars of this era, what character, real bedroom-wall-poster-when-I-was-a-kid stuff. I'd have one of these over a modern supercar all day long, purely on an emotional level. Need to get something like this, might have to settle for an Esprit on my budget...
SydneySE said:
I know the feeling running a 2004 Murciealgo....
But I've come up with a solution- I do my own oil change; fixed a door issue, and am about to do my own clutch change, as I'm outraged by what people charge considering how easily a garage can pull the engine (not that they need to actually lift the engine out). I did have to buy an an engine lift from ebay (£165 delivered for a 2 ton lift).
The good thing about older cars is that there is enough DIY support; on one of the USA lambo forums a guy documented his DIY at home clutch change, and i'm following that with along with the factory manual for reference.
Looks like it may also need a new oil pump, but I will just deliver the engine to the mechanic, so labour is just the actual change of oil pump; I just provide the unsophisticated grunt labour :-)
Well done for doing it yourself but that will affect the resale value so it's going to be a false economy unless you plan on keeping the car until the end of your days. But I've come up with a solution- I do my own oil change; fixed a door issue, and am about to do my own clutch change, as I'm outraged by what people charge considering how easily a garage can pull the engine (not that they need to actually lift the engine out). I did have to buy an an engine lift from ebay (£165 delivered for a 2 ton lift).
The good thing about older cars is that there is enough DIY support; on one of the USA lambo forums a guy documented his DIY at home clutch change, and i'm following that with along with the factory manual for reference.
Looks like it may also need a new oil pump, but I will just deliver the engine to the mechanic, so labour is just the actual change of oil pump; I just provide the unsophisticated grunt labour :-)
It's easy to spend that much on servicing a high end car of the same vintage that's only worth about ten pence. A car that might have actually been considered as an alternative purchase when the TR was new. A V12 S Class Coupe or SEC as already mentioned. I remember the cost of trying to keep an SEC on the road. Not much difference - The TR was a really, really shrewd buy if you ask me. Appreciation... Never benefited from it. The house I'm about to buy actually has a decent garage and this has got me planning all manner of insanity. Love Cars, hate cars.
KTF said:
pSyCoSiS]Y99 said:
Pah - my Dads bill from Lovetts for his F430 was just shy of 5k
Getting my TR belts done next month, but won't be going to a main dealer. Its the first time it'll be serviced in my ownership (only bought it last october). Looking through the service history theres some monumentally scary bills including £16k (yes £16,000) for a gearbox rebuild....
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Or is it becuase they CAN?
I suspect this is the answer. "Well it is a Ferrari, sir..."Getting my TR belts done next month, but won't be going to a main dealer. Its the first time it'll be serviced in my ownership (only bought it last october). Looking through the service history theres some monumentally scary bills including £16k (yes £16,000) for a gearbox rebuild....
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Or is it becuase they CAN?
TBH I'm glad its been done (and I wasnt paying!) as 2nd gear can be a no-no until everything is fully warmed up. The first one I test drove wouldnt give you second even after 20 minutes of idling/driving. In mine you can select second straight away.
LY99 said:
There is about 4 pages of items and bits - gaskets, bearings, plus a new clutch, plus 9.5lts of gearbox oil etc. Dont forget that on the TR the gearbox is below the engine, so the whole lot has to come out and be split. The diff got looked at too as they can have problems.
TBH I'm glad its been done (and I wasnt paying!) as 2nd gear can be a no-no until everything is fully warmed up. The first one I test drove wouldnt give you second even after 20 minutes of idling/driving. In mine you can select second straight away.
I was responding more in general. I.e. an Audi dealer will charge more to service the same engine that can be found in a Skoda, etc. even though the same parts are used.TBH I'm glad its been done (and I wasnt paying!) as 2nd gear can be a no-no until everything is fully warmed up. The first one I test drove wouldnt give you second even after 20 minutes of idling/driving. In mine you can select second straight away.
Or perhaps as a (bad) example, Lamborghini charging more to service a Gallardo compared to an R8 when there are plenty of shared components.
I guess the owners don't care or maybe expect it as if it was cheaper they would wonder if it was being done on the cheap?
Edited by KTF on Thursday 3rd April 16:56
um, yeah, the downside of owning an old crock!
still, no depreciation counters some of the outlay. for me, i find that i spend half my time with my old crock loving it intensely, the way it drives, how it handles, how it looks, the fact that i'm not losing money in depreciation. i spend the other half of the time petrified that something expensive is going to go bang, and looking intently at every millimetre of bodywork, chassis, etc, anything i can get my eyes on, for signs of rot, impending failure, and general early warning signs of imminent bank balance meltdown.
but then i take it out and drive it and it drives better than a new car. yeah, it's a 993. Chris, you should have kept your Porker. but i do lust after a TR. if only i could afford one (and to run one).
keep up the great tales or your fleet!
still, no depreciation counters some of the outlay. for me, i find that i spend half my time with my old crock loving it intensely, the way it drives, how it handles, how it looks, the fact that i'm not losing money in depreciation. i spend the other half of the time petrified that something expensive is going to go bang, and looking intently at every millimetre of bodywork, chassis, etc, anything i can get my eyes on, for signs of rot, impending failure, and general early warning signs of imminent bank balance meltdown.
but then i take it out and drive it and it drives better than a new car. yeah, it's a 993. Chris, you should have kept your Porker. but i do lust after a TR. if only i could afford one (and to run one).
keep up the great tales or your fleet!
birdcage said:
The day I bought my old Ferrari was one of the best of my life, the day I sold it was better...
Was this the 355 in your profile garage? If so, what were the reasons??I've been wanting a 355 for years and am finally close to realising my dream - I don't really want to know why you were happier getting rid of it than buying it but, well, break it to me gently...(fingers in ears repeating la la la...).
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