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dbdb said:
The Audi V8 is the car which replaced the Audi 200.
The 100 was aimed at the W123/E28, then at the W124/E34 and priced accordingly. The 200 Turbo and 200 Quattro were priced at S Class, 7 Series and Jaguar XJ money throughout their life.
In 1985, an Audi 200 Turbo was £19,998, the 200 Quattro was £23,043. Both used 2144cc turbo 5 cylinder, the Quattro having 4 wheel drive, whilst the Turbo was front wheel drive.
At the same time, the BMW 528i was only £14,285 and the Mercedes 280E was £15,485.
In 1985, the BMW 735i was £20,345 and the Jaguar Sovereign 4.2 was £18,995. The Mercedes W126 280SE was only £17,895 - so six grand less than the 200 Quattro at list price. The 380SE was £22,355.
By the time this particular 200 Turbo was delivered, in 1989, the 200 Turbo was £27,449, whilst the four wheel drive and manual only Quattro version was priced at £29,992.
A BMW E34 525i was only £19,810, whilst the fast and impressive 535i was still only £25,000. A Mercedes W124 230E was priced at £19,430 and the 300E was £26,500.
The BMW 730i was £24,500, whilst the 735i was £30,700. The Mercedes 300SE was £29,000, with the 420SE being priced at £34,780. The Jaguar XJ6 3.6 was £23,000, and the Sovereign 3.6 was £30,500.
I posted this some time back and it was rather scoffed at on PH, mainly by Volvo owners, but here is the DVLC’s accident data from 1993 for larger cars distilled into a graph. The Audi was a fair bit behind BMW, Mercedes and Jaguar in safety terms, at least here.
The Mercedes W124 is generally slightly smoother aerodynamically than the Audi 100/200, with smaller engined models measuring 0.29. In the mid 1980s, the car with the lowest cd was the Renault 25 - at 0.28.
awesome level of detail in this post - this is why I love pistonheads, well done dbdb!!! The 100 was aimed at the W123/E28, then at the W124/E34 and priced accordingly. The 200 Turbo and 200 Quattro were priced at S Class, 7 Series and Jaguar XJ money throughout their life.
In 1985, an Audi 200 Turbo was £19,998, the 200 Quattro was £23,043. Both used 2144cc turbo 5 cylinder, the Quattro having 4 wheel drive, whilst the Turbo was front wheel drive.
At the same time, the BMW 528i was only £14,285 and the Mercedes 280E was £15,485.
In 1985, the BMW 735i was £20,345 and the Jaguar Sovereign 4.2 was £18,995. The Mercedes W126 280SE was only £17,895 - so six grand less than the 200 Quattro at list price. The 380SE was £22,355.
By the time this particular 200 Turbo was delivered, in 1989, the 200 Turbo was £27,449, whilst the four wheel drive and manual only Quattro version was priced at £29,992.
A BMW E34 525i was only £19,810, whilst the fast and impressive 535i was still only £25,000. A Mercedes W124 230E was priced at £19,430 and the 300E was £26,500.
The BMW 730i was £24,500, whilst the 735i was £30,700. The Mercedes 300SE was £29,000, with the 420SE being priced at £34,780. The Jaguar XJ6 3.6 was £23,000, and the Sovereign 3.6 was £30,500.
I posted this some time back and it was rather scoffed at on PH, mainly by Volvo owners, but here is the DVLC’s accident data from 1993 for larger cars distilled into a graph. The Audi was a fair bit behind BMW, Mercedes and Jaguar in safety terms, at least here.
The Mercedes W124 is generally slightly smoother aerodynamically than the Audi 100/200, with smaller engined models measuring 0.29. In the mid 1980s, the car with the lowest cd was the Renault 25 - at 0.28.
dbdb said:
MJK 24 said:
The Audi V8 was the rival to the BMW E32, Mercedes W126 and Jaguar XJ40 and was priced at that level.
The Audi 200 was aimed as a rival to six cylinder BMW E28 and latterly E34 and six cylinder W124.
The Audi 100 was aimed as a rival to four cylinder variants of the above.
The 100/200 weren't great handlers - the entire engine is forward of the front axle line. They were however light before it became as relevant as it is today. They were the most aerodynamic car in the world which helped fuel economy and gave less wind noise than my W124 has.
Full galvanising meant that rust was something that happened to other peoples cars and four wheel drive was available with the five and eight cylinder engines.
Pro con ten was also an excellent safety innovation.
The Audi V8 is the car which replaced the Audi 200. The Audi 200 was aimed as a rival to six cylinder BMW E28 and latterly E34 and six cylinder W124.
The Audi 100 was aimed as a rival to four cylinder variants of the above.
The 100/200 weren't great handlers - the entire engine is forward of the front axle line. They were however light before it became as relevant as it is today. They were the most aerodynamic car in the world which helped fuel economy and gave less wind noise than my W124 has.
Full galvanising meant that rust was something that happened to other peoples cars and four wheel drive was available with the five and eight cylinder engines.
Pro con ten was also an excellent safety innovation.
The 100 was aimed at the W123/E28, then at the W124/E34 and priced accordingly. The 200 Turbo and 200 Quattro were priced at S Class, 7 Series and Jaguar XJ money throughout their life.
In 1985, an Audi 200 Turbo was £19,998, the 200 Quattro was £23,043. Both used 2144cc turbo 5 cylinder, the Quattro having 4 wheel drive, whilst the Turbo was front wheel drive.
At the same time, the BMW 528i was only £14,285 and the Mercedes 280E was £15,485.
In 1985, the BMW 735i was £20,345 and the Jaguar Sovereign 4.2 was £18,995. The Mercedes W126 280SE was only £17,895 - so six grand less than the 200 Quattro at list price. The 380SE was £22,355.
By the time this particular 200 Turbo was delivered, in 1989, the 200 Turbo was £27,449, whilst the four wheel drive and manual only Quattro version was priced at £29,992.
A BMW E34 525i was only £19,810, whilst the fast and impressive 535i was still only £25,000. A Mercedes W124 230E was priced at £19,430 and the 300E was £26,500.
The BMW 730i was £24,500, whilst the 735i was £30,700. The Mercedes 300SE was £29,000, with the 420SE being priced at £34,780. The Jaguar XJ6 3.6 was £23,000, and the Sovereign 3.6 was £30,500.
I posted this some time back and it was rather scoffed at on PH, mainly by Volvo owners, but here is the DVLC’s accident data from 1993 for larger cars distilled into a graph. The Audi was a fair bit behind BMW, Mercedes and Jaguar in safety terms, at least here.
The Mercedes W124 is generally slightly smoother aerodynamically than the Audi 100/200, with smaller engined models measuring 0.29. In the mid 1980s, the car with the lowest cd was the Renault 25 - at 0.28.
I will make a few comments if I may?
The Audi V8 was launched in 1988 and the 200 was still on sale in 1991 so there was overlap there.
I was going to suggest would it not be a fairer comparison to compare this 1989 Audi 200 to a 525iX and a 300E 4Matic but I don't think this particular 200 is 4wd!
If you have access to price lists, how much were 5 series and W124 with as close as possible equivalent power and 4wd compared to a 1989 200 Quattro?
The 200 does seem to be rather expensive but when I said it was more of a rival to the W124 and E34, it was on the basis of dimensions as it is that size of car. The V8 which was considerably longer in body and wheelbase is surely the rival of the day to the 'much bigger than a 200' E32, W126 etc?
The prices shown for the W126 for example would land you a car without metallic paint, alloy wheels and much more besides! We really need to option equivalent sized cars to an equivalent standard to see where the land lies.
Can't argue with crash data or aerodynamics!
rejn said:
hornetrider said:
His beard is more impressive than Moeen Ali's.
(always happy to see cricket/motoring crossovers!!)
Why do we associate knowledge of motoring detail with facial hair? It's a bit like 'bork', in that if you said it aloud in front of 'normal' folk they'd think you were a complete dick.
I wouldn't read too much into the accident stats based on the above - it tells you about the involvement of particular makes/models in accidents based on STATS19 data collated by the police and shared with DVLA and DfT, amongst others. Because the data includes the 100 it will be largely them that accounts for the numbers present. The 200 on its own wouldn't feature as it was sold in too small numbers to be involved in many reportable accidents (noting that most accidents that are capable of writing off a car in insurance terms would never involve a STATS19 form being completed)
It's also a feature of popularity - the more examples sold and hence the proportionally larger number crashed the more likely you will find them in this data. The level of injury sustained is a pretty broad brush. A broken finger is classed as 'serious' but there are many injuries that could cover the whole spectrum from slight to fatal. The coloured bands are as wide as they are to cover the uncertainty over the ranking.
When I worked in a more junior role, I used to get a huge list of newly released vehicles to categorise by size for this data every year or 2!
It's also a feature of popularity - the more examples sold and hence the proportionally larger number crashed the more likely you will find them in this data. The level of injury sustained is a pretty broad brush. A broken finger is classed as 'serious' but there are many injuries that could cover the whole spectrum from slight to fatal. The coloured bands are as wide as they are to cover the uncertainty over the ranking.
When I worked in a more junior role, I used to get a huge list of newly released vehicles to categorise by size for this data every year or 2!
What is it with peoples perception of cars and age?
I get to work in this A6 and my colleagues are all saying things like "oh I bet you don't want to give it back" and "that's posh!"
I'm very grateful to have been lent it.... But when I tell them despite being older my car is definitely quieter, more comfortable, more spacious and the engine is SOOOOO much smoother and it's faster they all seem to look at me like I'm mad or say "well, you just prefer yours because it's yours".... No, I prefer mine because I think it's a better car.
I get to work in this A6 and my colleagues are all saying things like "oh I bet you don't want to give it back" and "that's posh!"
I'm very grateful to have been lent it.... But when I tell them despite being older my car is definitely quieter, more comfortable, more spacious and the engine is SOOOOO much smoother and it's faster they all seem to look at me like I'm mad or say "well, you just prefer yours because it's yours".... No, I prefer mine because I think it's a better car.
E65Ross said:
What is it with peoples perception of cars and age?
I get to work in this A6 and my colleagues are all saying things like "oh I bet you don't want to give it back" and "that's posh!"
I'm very grateful to have been lent it.... But when I tell them despite being older my car is definitely quieter, more comfortable, more spacious and the engine is SOOOOO much smoother and it's faster they all seem to look at me like I'm mad or say "well, you just prefer yours because it's yours".... No, I prefer mine because I think it's a better car.
In the eyes of the general public, a white BMW 114i is a vastly better car than an early 90's W126 500 SE. Leave them too it and continue to enjoy affordable luxury motoring I get to work in this A6 and my colleagues are all saying things like "oh I bet you don't want to give it back" and "that's posh!"
I'm very grateful to have been lent it.... But when I tell them despite being older my car is definitely quieter, more comfortable, more spacious and the engine is SOOOOO much smoother and it's faster they all seem to look at me like I'm mad or say "well, you just prefer yours because it's yours".... No, I prefer mine because I think it's a better car.
E65Ross said:
What is it with peoples perception of cars and age?
I get to work in this A6 and my colleagues are all saying things like "oh I bet you don't want to give it back" and "that's posh!"
I'm very grateful to have been lent it.... But when I tell them despite being older my car is definitely quieter, more comfortable, more spacious and the engine is SOOOOO much smoother and it's faster they all seem to look at me like I'm mad or say "well, you just prefer yours because it's yours".... No, I prefer mine because I think it's a better car.
They all think 'Audi is better'.I get to work in this A6 and my colleagues are all saying things like "oh I bet you don't want to give it back" and "that's posh!"
I'm very grateful to have been lent it.... But when I tell them despite being older my car is definitely quieter, more comfortable, more spacious and the engine is SOOOOO much smoother and it's faster they all seem to look at me like I'm mad or say "well, you just prefer yours because it's yours".... No, I prefer mine because I think it's a better car.
CharlesdeGaulle said:
slippery said:
I slide down the road at 70 MPH upside down in my Audi 100 and walked away without a scratch.
I'm hoping - for your general well-being - that that was supposed to be a past-tense anecdote? 
Baryonyx said:
E65Ross said:
What is it with peoples perception of cars and age?
I get to work in this A6 and my colleagues are all saying things like "oh I bet you don't want to give it back" and "that's posh!"
I'm very grateful to have been lent it.... But when I tell them despite being older my car is definitely quieter, more comfortable, more spacious and the engine is SOOOOO much smoother and it's faster they all seem to look at me like I'm mad or say "well, you just prefer yours because it's yours".... No, I prefer mine because I think it's a better car.
They all think 'Audi is better'.I get to work in this A6 and my colleagues are all saying things like "oh I bet you don't want to give it back" and "that's posh!"
I'm very grateful to have been lent it.... But when I tell them despite being older my car is definitely quieter, more comfortable, more spacious and the engine is SOOOOO much smoother and it's faster they all seem to look at me like I'm mad or say "well, you just prefer yours because it's yours".... No, I prefer mine because I think it's a better car.
Don't get them thinking otherwise!
CharlesdeGaulle said:
rejn said:
hornetrider said:
His beard is more impressive than Moeen Ali's.
(always happy to see cricket/motoring crossovers!!)
Why do we associate knowledge of motoring detail with facial hair? It's a bit like 'bork', in that if you said it aloud in front of 'normal' folk they'd think you were a complete dick.
Also don't you find that the "knowledgeable" ones in your local happen to have prodigious facial growth, along with a pint of real to hand?
SpeckledJim said:
Just a point of detail - was the Audi upside down as well?
It most certainly was. Didn't polish out either. Sold for scrap as a third party right off, leaving me with the two and a half year remainder of a three year loan to pay off, which was a harsh lesson to learn as a teenager. Just as well I liked barges and not cabriolets though eh? barchetta_boy said:
Just how classy and full of character is that old Audi... compared to the generic eurotrash, rubber band tyred, overpowered, numb-helmed chav chariots they overpopulate the roads with today...
Absolutely. Always liked the C3 Audi 100 and associated 200 - so low key and elegantly styled.Modern Audis are derivative, mundane garbage littering the road by comparison.
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