Best Smoker Barges 1-5 large [Vol 7]
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hornetrider said:
Very well mate, cheers. Doesn't cost me a bean except fuel. *touches wood*
Experienced the chalk and cheese over the weekend. Gave it some mild hammer up through Mid Wales (A40/A470/A483) on Friday evening and dear god does it shift, it absolutely marmalises good A roads and warps the horizon in a very good way. You never even have to go above 5k and timing the changes with a good old stick shift is
Then on the way back down I wasn't in a rush, just bimbled along in traffic tickling the big old lump along nice and quietly and averaged over 30 empeegees. Love it.
I had my only genuinely enjoyable drive in my 9-5 aero on the A470. It was an early Sunday morning blat to a rally driving course in Carno and dawdlers were dispatched efficiently. The fast sweepers of the A470 north of Merthyr really suit barges or GTs.Experienced the chalk and cheese over the weekend. Gave it some mild hammer up through Mid Wales (A40/A470/A483) on Friday evening and dear god does it shift, it absolutely marmalises good A roads and warps the horizon in a very good way. You never even have to go above 5k and timing the changes with a good old stick shift is
Then on the way back down I wasn't in a rush, just bimbled along in traffic tickling the big old lump along nice and quietly and averaged over 30 empeegees. Love it.
phil_cardiff said:
hornetrider said:
Very well mate, cheers. Doesn't cost me a bean except fuel. *touches wood*
Experienced the chalk and cheese over the weekend. Gave it some mild hammer up through Mid Wales (A40/A470/A483) on Friday evening and dear god does it shift, it absolutely marmalises good A roads and warps the horizon in a very good way. You never even have to go above 5k and timing the changes with a good old stick shift is
Then on the way back down I wasn't in a rush, just bimbled along in traffic tickling the big old lump along nice and quietly and averaged over 30 empeegees. Love it.
I had my only genuinely enjoyable drive in my 9-5 aero on the A470. It was an early Sunday morning blat to a rally driving course in Carno and dawdlers were dispatched efficiently. The fast sweepers of the A470 north of Merthyr really suit barges or GTs.Experienced the chalk and cheese over the weekend. Gave it some mild hammer up through Mid Wales (A40/A470/A483) on Friday evening and dear god does it shift, it absolutely marmalises good A roads and warps the horizon in a very good way. You never even have to go above 5k and timing the changes with a good old stick shift is
Then on the way back down I wasn't in a rush, just bimbled along in traffic tickling the big old lump along nice and quietly and averaged over 30 empeegees. Love it.
Fox- said:
My 530i is a manual. I preferred manual partly for driving 'fun' reasons but also to limit my exposure to bork - old autos go wrong and cost a fortune and the fuel economy penalty is significant. My 530d is an auto because BMW pay the bills if the box explodes and the 8 speed is awesome.
I think if I was buying another older barge, it'd be a manual for the above reasons.
I've run a n reg, y reg all auto and all (touch wood) running fine with just change of atf on purchase, not that this proves a thing but in my experience old autos haven't gone wrong.I think if I was buying another older barge, it'd be a manual for the above reasons.
r129sl said:
Zwolf said:
bmthnick1981 said:
I've had a 740 E38 and 2 x 750 E38 and the V12 is the better car in my opinion. They both absolutely have their merits I just prefer the tone and turbine like delivery of the 12. The V8 is also very good, just in a very different way.
Yep, that, having also run a 735i and tried 740is and never gelled with them in the same way. A V8 is fine for a Five, but the six and twelve are both more refined - the V12 doesn't need an angry top end - the delivery is all low down and mid range and that's wher eyou spend most of your time in a two tonne + slushmatic barge with intergalactic gearing. They're not *about* redline chasing.
That said, the V12 still pulls harder than the V8 and will get ahead of one, "top end" or not, via less than scientific testing methods previously employed.
A 4.4 Sport is a crisper steer than a V12 admittedly, but again I'd be looking at a B10/M5 if I wanted something to handle better and go quicker.
Heaven would be a (well, on eof the six RHD ones) B12 6.0 SWB with its conservative 430 ponies...
Less about how fast you go and more about how you go fast (and more saliently, how you go all the time). The V12 has an appeal all it's own and bald figures don't convey it.
Neither is "wrong" BTW, opinions just vary.
Personally, I found the 750i to be a lovely thing but missing the character of the V8. Both are fabulous if a little under powered by todays standard
CampDavid said:
Personally, I found the 750i to be a lovely thing but missing the character of the V8.
Whereas also personally, I found the 740i to be a lovely thing but missing the character of the V12. 
What we have learned here is that whilst both have comparable "on paper" appeal, the subjective, experiential differences are stark.
I love a V8, including BMW ones, in appropriate settings. They're very good an inoffensive in a Seven. But it's a more appropriate setting for a lazy, low revving, smooth-as-hell V12 than a more freely revving,"sportier" and less effortless/torquey V8 (the 80 lb ft difference between them is more telling than the 40bhp one).
Similarly the Daimler Super V8 is just less apt for it's setting than the predecessor 6.0 V12, despite increased performance - whereas it's perfect in the XJR with its more driver than wafter focussed appeal.
Hence why going Sport spec in E38, I'd have a V8. Otherwise, six or twelve pots please.
Zwolf said:
Hence why going Sport spec in E38, I'd have a V8. Otherwise, six or twelve pots please.
And here is why we, despite everything, we agree. Sort of.I think the V8 Sport is the E38 to have. Tried the rest but, for me, the Sport goes places no other barge manages and I include the XJR in that. I took my 740i Sport around the ring in the wet and, to be honest, it was just a dirty great 3 series. The W140 doesn't manage that.
The 750iL though appeals more on a limo front, which is where I think it has a tougher time against the competition. For me it'd be a 740i for the Sport of a 750iL for the longer effort.
Whichever you choose, the E38 is a very, very good car. I never got out of mine without thinking what a thoroughly sorted piece of kit it was. If I spent all day commuting in traffic I'd be very tempted by a 728i.
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In a later shape, how good does this look? Well, the pictures look crap but the car looks a winner.
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CampDavid said:
And here is why we, despite everything, we agree. Sort of.
I think the V8 Sport is the E38 to have. Tried the rest but, for me, the Sport goes places no other barge manages and I include the XJR in that. I took my 740i Sport around the ring in the wet and, to be honest, it was just a dirty great 3 series. The W140 doesn't manage that.
The SWB 750i on 18s and with the EDC set to sport mode does a very decent hand at that too, hence my preference for it over the more commonly found iL. I think the V8 Sport is the E38 to have. Tried the rest but, for me, the Sport goes places no other barge manages and I include the XJR in that. I took my 740i Sport around the ring in the wet and, to be honest, it was just a dirty great 3 series. The W140 doesn't manage that.
A 750i Sport in Imola Red (Or Mora with a corresponding Individual interior) is my holy grail.
Patrick Bateman said:
Judging by my inability to find any, I'm guessing they never did the e65 760i in SWB format?
A V12 is definitely on the 'to do' list at some point, just...because.
What variants are relatively low on bork?
You are correct. They only ever did LWB models of the V12 on the E65 (E66 I should say). Same with the current model only being LWB (F02). Do you mean what variants of the E66 760Li are relatively low on bork.... Well, being only 1 model you don't have much choice.... A V12 is definitely on the 'to do' list at some point, just...because.
What variants are relatively low on bork?
Zwolf said:
CampDavid said:
And here is why we, despite everything, we agree. Sort of.
I think the V8 Sport is the E38 to have. Tried the rest but, for me, the Sport goes places no other barge manages and I include the XJR in that. I took my 740i Sport around the ring in the wet and, to be honest, it was just a dirty great 3 series. The W140 doesn't manage that.
The SWB 750i on 18s and with the EDC set to sport mode does a very decent hand at that too, hence my preference for it over the more commonly found iL. I think the V8 Sport is the E38 to have. Tried the rest but, for me, the Sport goes places no other barge manages and I include the XJR in that. I took my 740i Sport around the ring in the wet and, to be honest, it was just a dirty great 3 series. The W140 doesn't manage that.
A 750i Sport in Imola Red (Or Mora with a corresponding Individual interior) is my holy grail.
My 740 by comparison was an LWB on 16s - it wasnt as sweet of a handler but boy was it comfy. Oddly it had the sport seats which I thought was an odd combo with LWB and 16s.
Zwolf said:
The SWB 750i on 18s and with the EDC set to sport mode does a very decent hand at that too, hence my preference for it over the more commonly found iL.
A 750i Sport in Imola Red (Or Mora with a corresponding Individual interior) is my holy grail.
Mora metallic with champagne individual leather interior with mora stitching on the seats.... Complete with the somewhat, erm, distinctive purple carpets. Heaven. I'd love one. A 750i Sport in Imola Red (Or Mora with a corresponding Individual interior) is my holy grail.
r129sl said:
Stop it! stop it! stop it! This discussion is fuelling serious lust for an E38 6 or 12 and I'm supposed to be a Merc man. The E32 is probably my favourite BMW of all but I suspect the E38 (which I remember so fondly) is miles better. I know it would really suit me.
The E32 and E34 are amongst my favourite BMW's of all time. However, the E38 really is in another league. It's a much bigger step E32 to E38 than E38 to E65 imo. The E38 is fantastic. I've had 3 and driven around Europe in them, just brilliant cars. They can cost a little bit to run but are so worth it. If I ever get my 560 SEC finished I want to find a really nice e38 V12 and keep it for high days and holidays. There really are such diminishing numbers of good e38s now, even less e32s.
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