Best Smoker Barges 1-5 large [Vol 7]

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280 engine, fantastic colours. Isn't this lovely? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BEAUTIFUL-1982-W123-MERC...

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Back to the 190s I might just go really back to basics with something like this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/F174-YUB-/161501656832?p...

Perhaps slightly off topic for the barge thread, but I think there's something rather charming about a car in such a basic spec





Though clearly I would need to add an r129 sl500 as well as retain the 300e!

[harry kular]

Price aside, that w124 is sublime!!!

What are the engine stats with the blower attached?

[r129sl]

harry kular said:

Price aside, that w124 is sublime!!!

What are the engine stats with the blower attached?

They're actually quite impressive. It's the OM603.960 12valve engine with a turbo, not the 24valve (they didn't do a turbocharged OM606 until the w210 chassis). It puts out 145bhp (at 4,600rpm) and 201b/ft torque (at 2,400rpm). 0-62.5mph in 10.9 seconds. It's the torque that is impressive (I know, 201lb/ft at 2,400rpm is the same as 100b/ft at 4,800rpm). The normally aspirated Merc diesels are actually fairly gutless at low engine speeds whereas this must be quite different. Official consumption is not significantly different to the NA car but no doubt like all turbo diesels, it suffers if you lean on the turbo.

[ChemicalChaos]

SpeckledJim said:

Pickled said:

SpeckledJim said:

Pickled - a Jag!

The cheapest XJR you can find. An experiment.

I do like a Jag, have owned a SIII, XJ40 (Daimler) and X300.

What are the X350 versions like?

Underrated, I'd say. Light, lively, well-built.

Arguably slightly confused, as they are MILES more modern than they'd have occupants and onlookers believe. I believe this is normally attributed to the Americans' Mr Darcy Van Dyke view of what a British luxury car should be. Your Lordship.

Whilst they ride as well as their contemporary competitors, perhaps they aren't as 'just right' as X300 / X308. The best bit is the 2-300kg advantage they hold over everything else in the sector.

Having been on a roadtrip with some PHers in a V6 X350 back to back with a V8 X308, the 350 is far, far more spacious inside - especially in the back. Of course, the tradeoff is the far more bulbous body shape. The interior os the 350 is rather less "oak gin cabinet" and a bit more "ford parts bin" but still rather a nice place to be.

Performance wise, the V6 not only kept up perfectly with the V8 308, but also returned almost 5mpg more on a mixture of foreign town and motorway driving (some at double the speed limit!!). I suspect this is largely a function of a serious diet, but also maybe the mildly improved aerodynamics from the more rounded shape. It sounded a bit vacuum-cleaner like after the V8, but then it was a lot smoother and higher revving. Cabin noise at speed seemed about the same in both cars, but the ride was noticeably less wafty (but then again, this 350 was wearing XJR alloys with veneer tyres).

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2.6, auto, velour, smoke silver, 70k miles, in budget. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mercedes-Benz-190e-2-6-C...

[CharlesdeGaulle]

radiodanno said:

Classic.

PH thinks my link was a private advert. Well done everyone.

• Slow handclap.

The w124 I mentioned is at Great Paxton Motor Co. No, it's not my business!

Hmm, not sure about that actually, chum.

I think we rather commented in general on the fact that it was somewhat unappealing in left hand drive. It got some positive comment.

Still, if you think we deserve a slow handclap, thanks very much.

[r129sl]

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280 engine, fantastic colours. Isn't this lovely? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BEAUTIFUL-1982-W123-MERC...

Yes. Glorious looking car. It's 501 orient red (despite what the ad says). It is a beautiful colour, not often seen. It's hard to describe how rich these old solid colours look when polished up. I was told that the manufacturers can't do it any more now they have to use water-based paints but who knows. Friend of mine has an early 500 SL in the same colour scheme:






And there is a famous wide body SEC in the same hue:

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What a stunning SL! You don't happen to have that link to a Merc paint colour site (I think you posted it previously?)

Also when restoring a car like that how do you match modern paints to the same finish - or are restorations excluded from the new car paint regulations?

[PlayersNo6]

edo said:

Marmite colour. Seems cheap for miles and apparent condition? Think seen before?

46k on the clock and huge history.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mercedes-Benz-300E-W124-...

Love the colour and the interior contrasts it very nicely. AC too. Seems a good buy.

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PlayersNo6 said:

edo said:

Marmite colour. Seems cheap for miles and apparent condition? Think seen before?

46k on the clock and huge history.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mercedes-Benz-300E-W124-...

Love the colour and the interior contrasts it very nicely. AC too. Seems a good buy.

Isn't it lovely. I don't think the colour is marmite at all - the car looks great in it. The mileage issue seems to be common on W124s. I would buy based on condition and how the car drives, albeit with the proviso that at first sight these cars hide their mileage very well. My driver's seat has done 173k and the bolster near the door has a few small cracks from never having being treated, but no wear at all. The same area on the driver's seat in my A8 had been worn through by 100k miles (and probably 80k).

However the driver's seat does feel less firm than the passenger one - so there are ways of telling.

[mccrackenj]

harry kular said:

Price aside, that w124 is sublime!!!

What are the engine stats with the blower attached?

Which W124 is this? I've obviously missed one, has an ad been removed or something?

Haven't bee keeping abreast today.

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mccrackenj said:

Which W124 is this? I've obviously missed one, has an ad been removed or something?

Haven't bee keeping abreast today.

I think it's the one R129 mentioned - I also missed whatever went on!

r129sl said:

I thought it was because I said "Ooof" and PH thought I was levelling a homophobic insult at you for not buying it. Too much Dailymailing.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2014...

[mccrackenj]

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mccrackenj said:

Which W124 is this? I've obviously missed one, has an ad been removed or something?

Haven't bee keeping abreast today.

I think it's the one R129 mentioned - I also missed whatever went on!

r129sl said:

I thought it was because I said "Ooof" and PH thought I was levelling a homophobic insult at you for not buying it. Too much Dailymailing.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2014...

Ah, I just put 2 & 2 together too.

Looks splendid. I can see the attraction, and if one had a genuine use or need for a left-hooker, then £6k isn't totally nuts.

But for permanent use in the UK? Definitely nuts.

[mccrackenj]

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2.6, auto, velour, smoke silver, 70k miles, in budget. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mercedes-Benz-190e-2-6-C...

Really like the exterior. Really like the interior. Combination of the two? Nah!

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mccrackenj said:

Ah, I just put 2 & 2 together too.

Looks splendid. I can see the attraction, and if one had a genuine use or need for a left-hooker, then £6k isn't totally nuts.

But for permanent use in the UK? Definitely nuts.

Just buy the more powerful, smoother petrol was an article on this very car I read in my W124 article collection last night

It was a North American review (I think) done back in the day, but still (R129 I still want to try the 300d engine though!)

[mccrackenj]

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mccrackenj said:

Ah, I just put 2 & 2 together too.

Looks splendid. I can see the attraction, and if one had a genuine use or need for a left-hooker, then £6k isn't totally nuts.

But for permanent use in the UK? Definitely nuts.

Just buy the more powerful, smoother petrol was an article on this very car I read in my W124 article collection last night

It was a North American review (I think) done back in the day, but still (R129 I still want to try the 300d engine though!)

I was thinking more about the (apparent) general condition and spec rather than the engine, but yes, you are right. Unless you're doing significant miles just get a 280/320.

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mccrackenj said:

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2.6, auto, velour, smoke silver, 70k miles, in budget. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mercedes-Benz-190e-2-6-C...

Really like the exterior. Really like the interior. Combination of the two? Nah!

Smoke silver doesn't work that well on the 190 looking again...

[radiodanno]

CharlesdeGaulle said:

Hmm, not sure about that actually, chum.

I think we rather commented in general on the fact that it was somewhat unappealing in left hand drive. It got some positive comment.

Still, if you think we deserve a slow handclap, thanks very much.

Hi,

Your reply to the topic ' Best Smoker Barges 1-5 large [Vol 7]' has been removed for the following reason:

If you have something for sale the forums are not the place to do so.

Suggest you re-read the rule.

Regards,
PistonHeads

[radiodanno]

^I'm not casting aspersions. Just reading the words I was sent.

Let's move on.