RE: Evora S Sports Racer: Intro
Discussion
mrdemon said:
C43 said:
I have yet to drive a Porsche that feels properly setup (ie damping and spring rates) for bumpy English roads,.
all most all do bar the GT cars.Have no issue with either of mine at speed on B roads.
I tend to find Porsche damper set-ups a little bit "dim-witted" feeling and I also think they tend to over-spring. I like body-roll in a sports car, as long as the movement is damped properly, but Porsche seem to try to remove body movement to the extent of making the limits significantly less approachable.
I don't think Porsche's approach is wrong as such, I just don't like it. I've been told that the new 9x1 cars are significantly softer though, which is definitely a good thing for me.
mrdemon said:
easy
build is still dire
support and dealers are still dire
the engines a heavy weight old lump
And it's slower
hence why we pick Caymans
you obviously havent been to JCT600 leeds (fantastic service) or sat in a Sports racer...build is still dire
support and dealers are still dire
the engines a heavy weight old lump
And it's slower
hence why we pick Caymans
The sports racer felt alot more special than the cayman I sat in
mrdemon said:
easy
build is still dire
support and dealers are still dire
the engines a heavy weight old lump
And it's slower
hence why we pick Caymans
No it isn't, certainly not compared to my experience with Porschesbuild is still dire
support and dealers are still dire
the engines a heavy weight old lump
And it's slower
hence why we pick Caymans
No they aren't, certainly not compared to my experience with Porsche dealers
Fair enough, the engine is mediocre, but it doesn't spoil the car
They don't sell in numbers because a Lotus needs to either be significantly cheaper than the equivalent mainstream brands to sell, or have a chunk more performance.
kambites said:
mrdemon said:
"It's not actually that much lighter than a Cayman "
you will find it's not lighter at all and weighs more !!!!
I think it's between the Cayman and 911 in terms of weight isn't it? Which would make sense from a rational point of view, but still seems wrong for a car with a Lotus badge on it somehow. you will find it's not lighter at all and weighs more !!!!
Evora S - 1,437kgs
Cayman GTS - 1,345kgs
911 Carrera S - 1,395kgs
All manual cars quoted (unladen).
Hmm, just add lightness?!
I have driven a number of Porsches but think Lotus provides a far more focused car and one which I personally prefer. If you like your cars driver focused in a way no non-GT Porsche is, you will love a Lotus.
As for build quality, there are plenty of people who would not dare run a Porsche out of warranty. Lotus are not in the same league if you value soft touch materials, however as for long term reliability, I am not sure there is really very much in it.
As for build quality, there are plenty of people who would not dare run a Porsche out of warranty. Lotus are not in the same league if you value soft touch materials, however as for long term reliability, I am not sure there is really very much in it.
the sports button transforms the car, well it did the standard 2011MY car anyway, I recall that if you didn't have the sports pack, you didn't have the button, so you only got half the car!
The Evora is a real split-personality car, I think that is what sets it aside from the Cayman and makes it more like a 911, that and the fact it can be a 2+2, which a Cayman can't.
And it is a lovely place to sit, Porsche just seems so dour and dark in comparison, however nice the materials might be to touch.
The Evora is a real split-personality car, I think that is what sets it aside from the Cayman and makes it more like a 911, that and the fact it can be a 2+2, which a Cayman can't.
And it is a lovely place to sit, Porsche just seems so dour and dark in comparison, however nice the materials might be to touch.
It never ceases to amaze me.....as soon as anything Lotus is posted ton PH the Caymen owners start to surface in their numbers and cant resist comparing. Funnily enough 911 owners seem to be more in tune with the Evora experience, probably a more accurate reflection they have more in common from a pure enthusiast perspective and undying passion for their breed. It's pointless trying to compare these great marques on paper, at the end of the day you pay your money and take your choice. All you Porsche Caymen owners out there, please give this feature a chance, you may be pleasantly surprised at the outcome!
Crazy world where a Lotus might be a tad heavier but holds the value better than the competition? Rarely see an Evora under 30k, amd while the Cayman won't be SOTW material anytime soon, prices seem to be heading in the direction of the Boxters'. Would love to drive an Evora at some point.
Actually, I'd rather have one of these than a new Boxster/Cayman/911 with their apparently duff steering and infuriating electric parking brakes. The Evora looks stunning, the reviews seem to suggest the handling's of the "telepathic" variety, plus, at least with the Toyota engine you shouldn't get your fingers burnt. 
Would any Cayman owners be willing to reveal what they actually paid for their cars?
It's refreshing to read an article that actually relates my experience of driving the Evora S. Also one that dares to venture beyond the car journalist party line on the Evora, especially in comparison to the new Cayman.
However the continued comparsion between highly specc'd rivals and 'base' Porsches is completely unreasonable. I know this was qualified in the article but the whole Porsche configurator and dealer system is a very sophisticated and effective means of extracting far more from their customers than was initially planned. Porsche's considerable profits are built on this. It's genius from a corporate point of view. Everyone walks in the showroom to buy a '£100k' GT3 and walks out with a £125k GT3.
I'm not even sure what you get for the base Cayman S price but I no-one has ever driven away in a new Cayman S away for under £50k. Not many under £60k. Go crazy on the configurator and you can pass £80k with ease.
There was a test on Drive recently between a Corvette and a 991 that had an entire Corvette's worth of extras on it! It's completely ridiculous, as is considering the new Cayman S as a '£48k car'.
Sorry rant over!
The Evora isn't very cheap but it is very special to drive.
I look forward to reading the reports.
It's refreshing to read an article that actually relates my experience of driving the Evora S. Also one that dares to venture beyond the car journalist party line on the Evora, especially in comparison to the new Cayman.
However the continued comparsion between highly specc'd rivals and 'base' Porsches is completely unreasonable. I know this was qualified in the article but the whole Porsche configurator and dealer system is a very sophisticated and effective means of extracting far more from their customers than was initially planned. Porsche's considerable profits are built on this. It's genius from a corporate point of view. Everyone walks in the showroom to buy a '£100k' GT3 and walks out with a £125k GT3.
I'm not even sure what you get for the base Cayman S price but I no-one has ever driven away in a new Cayman S away for under £50k. Not many under £60k. Go crazy on the configurator and you can pass £80k with ease.
There was a test on Drive recently between a Corvette and a 991 that had an entire Corvette's worth of extras on it! It's completely ridiculous, as is considering the new Cayman S as a '£48k car'.
Sorry rant over!
The Evora isn't very cheap but it is very special to drive.
I look forward to reading the reports.
I think Lotus' main problem is getting people to try the Evora. Getting customers in for a test drive seems the hard part, as th Evora is not very well known.
I owned an Evora for three years and was regularly asked what it was. As for the car, I absolutely loved it. It was the best all round car I've owned. Long distance, commuting, track days were all a pleasure. In a way I wish I hadn't sold it, but at the time was itching for a change.
I owned an Evora for three years and was regularly asked what it was. As for the car, I absolutely loved it. It was the best all round car I've owned. Long distance, commuting, track days were all a pleasure. In a way I wish I hadn't sold it, but at the time was itching for a change.
Edited by justin220 on Saturday 5th April 07:59
hughcam said:
you obviously havent been to JCT600 leeds (fantastic service) or sat in a Sports racer...
The sports racer felt alot more special than the cayman I sat in
Interesting...The sports racer felt alot more special than the cayman I sat in
I've lost count of the times I've been to JCT600 in the last year, and quite frankly, everytime the service has been rubbish / non existent.
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