RE: Evora S Sports Racer: Intro
Discussion
Hedgerley said:
Several comments on here about the 'dire/dodgy build quality' of the Evora compared to the Porsche equivalents. Although I've owned neither I know several who have (and remain as Evora owners) and this simply doesn't ring true for the current Lotus product.
I'll let this guy blow apart the myth of Porsche quality....
http://youtu.be/-eXUnZrykDY
Strueth. He is a hell of alot calmer than I would be!I'll let this guy blow apart the myth of Porsche quality....
http://youtu.be/-eXUnZrykDY
"Quality" is a red herring. Lotus has significant problems with its product but it's not about quality.
IMO it's fundamentally a "design" problem, and very expensive to fix - as Dani Bahar demonstrated.
Compare and contrast - Land Rover, who have customers queuing to spend £40,000 on a 4-pot Evoque.
IMO it's fundamentally a "design" problem, and very expensive to fix - as Dani Bahar demonstrated.
Compare and contrast - Land Rover, who have customers queuing to spend £40,000 on a 4-pot Evoque.
I found the Danny Bahar Paris Motorshow 2010 lot a bit anodyne and un-Lotus TBH, I actually felt sorry for the Evora in the corner of the stand for it to be replaced by such soulless designs before it had a chace to show the world what it could really do... I had reservations about the looks when it came out, too, but in the flesh I felt it was a proper contemporary junior supercar in the Dino mould. I like that it's got a proper 'waist' and 'hips', the integration of air ducts in the rear quarters... I'd be proud to have one on my drive and frankly, I heard only very positive comments about the way it looks during my days with one.
However, Lotus marketing must be the worst of all specialist manufacturers - five years on, people are still hardly aware such a thin as an Evora exists... and the rear seats - does anyone actually use them for the school run or a family outing?
However, Lotus marketing must be the worst of all specialist manufacturers - five years on, people are still hardly aware such a thin as an Evora exists... and the rear seats - does anyone actually use them for the school run or a family outing?
blueg33 said:
Hedgerley said:
Several comments on here about the 'dire/dodgy build quality' of the Evora compared to the Porsche equivalents. Although I've owned neither I know several who have (and remain as Evora owners) and this simply doesn't ring true for the current Lotus product.
I'll let this guy blow apart the myth of Porsche quality....
http://youtu.be/-eXUnZrykDY
Strueth. He is a hell of alot calmer than I would be!I'll let this guy blow apart the myth of Porsche quality....
http://youtu.be/-eXUnZrykDY
Hmm, not sure this proves anything really. This guy's car is clearly a pup but Porsche have tens of thousands of very happy customers. Both of the Porsches I have owned have been perfect (touches wood), unlike the Lotus built VX220 Turbo I had, which had no end of issues with paint, suspension, among other things.
If Lotus made as many cars as Porsche, or if as many were used every day as is the case with Porsche, I've no doubt there would be many more complaints. Also, as is stated many times by Lotus owners above, they are predominantly owned by enthusiasts who are much more likely to chalk issues up to 'character'.
If Lotus made as many cars as Porsche, or if as many were used every day as is the case with Porsche, I've no doubt there would be many more complaints. Also, as is stated many times by Lotus owners above, they are predominantly owned by enthusiasts who are much more likely to chalk issues up to 'character'.
Didn't Porsche lose a class action in the States? Must have been quite a few pups.
All makers have the odd car with issues, the secret is to deal with it before it gets to social media.
Porsche, oft described as having legendary build quailty. - the problem with legends is they are mostly b
ks.
All makers have the odd car with issues, the secret is to deal with it before it gets to social media.
Porsche, oft described as having legendary build quailty. - the problem with legends is they are mostly b
ks. Nohedes said:
Hmm, not sure this proves anything really. This guy's car is clearly a pup but Porsche have tens of thousands of very happy customers. Both of the Porsches I have owned have been perfect (touches wood), unlike the Lotus built VX220 Turbo I had, which had no end of issues with paint, suspension, among other things.
If Lotus made as many cars as Porsche, or if as many were used every day as is the case with Porsche, I've no doubt there would be many more complaints. Also, as is stated many times by Lotus owners above, they are predominantly owned by enthusiasts who are much more likely to chalk issues up to 'character'.
If lotus sold as many cars as porsche then they would have the budget to iron out issues. They would probably be more reliable than porsche if they were sticking to toyota engines.If Lotus made as many cars as Porsche, or if as many were used every day as is the case with Porsche, I've no doubt there would be many more complaints. Also, as is stated many times by Lotus owners above, they are predominantly owned by enthusiasts who are much more likely to chalk issues up to 'character'.
Oilchange said:
'polar moment of inertia' blah blah blah 911 fails blah blah blah
Doesn't seem to stop modern 911s (going back to the 993) handling beautifully - and the rear-mounted engine assists traction. Having the weight of the engine over the rear should also help keep the rear pinned down when you lift off (thinking of basic physics of weight transfer). I haven't seen 911s pendulum-ing backwards through hedges for over 20 years - and I wonder how much of that is down to better quality tyres.Is there ANY chance this thread could be salvaged from the "Colin Chapman is GOD and Porsches suck!" vs "Porsche rules, Lotuses are built in sheds with Camry engines and fall apart" childish slanging-match it's become? Can't we just respect both?
RoverP6B said:
Nohedes said:
True, a bit a like Lotus' legendary handling advantage.
When did Hethel ever make a car that didn't ride and handle beautifully?My point was about the advantage, rather than doubting they make fantastic handling/riding vehicles. If you believe some of the comments on this thread, you'd think that the 981 Cayman/Boxster and 991 handle terribly in comparison. Having driven all of these and the Evora, my point is that any advantage is marginal, if present at all. Of course, just an opinion but one based on experience of driving them at least (albeit on the road and I'm no Marc Lieb!).
RoverP6B said:
Is there ANY chance this thread could be salvaged from the "Colin Chapman is GOD and Porsches suck!" vs "Porsche rules, Lotuses are built in sheds with Camry engines and fall apart" childish slanging-match it's become? Can't we just respect both?
Couldn't agree more! 
Porsche and Lotus are among the few manufacturers that make cars us enthusiasts want to buy, at prices that aren't at Ferrari/McLaren/Lamborghini levels and we should all be glad they do, and that we can celebrate the difference.
Nohedes said:
It's a fair question - I don't think they ever have, certainly not one that I've driven anyway.
My point was about the advantage, rather than doubting they make fantastic handling/riding vehicles. If you believe some of the comments on this thread, you'd think that the 981 Cayman/Boxster and 991 handle terribly in comparison. Having driven all of these and the Evora, my point is that any advantage is marginal, if present at all. Of course, just an opinion but one based on experience of driving them at least (albeit on the road and I'm no Marc Lieb!).
H'm, I feel there still is a difference - after an Evora even a Cayman feels a bit clumsy and non-intuitive (but TBH I've never truly got along with the way Porsches behave on turn-in...) Ultimately, however, I do feel current Lotii are compromised by their engine location, too... with the Elise it was easy to see why they did it as the wholesale adoptation of an existing transverse FWD drivetrain made it possible to build a car at that price level to start with... the case for the Evora to have its engine almost right over the rear axle is less clear cut if you dismiss the tiny +2 seating arrangement (shortest length from front to rear seatback of any current production car at 455 mm IIRC). Personally I feel more 'at one' with road cars sporting a longitudinal front-mid engine layout...My point was about the advantage, rather than doubting they make fantastic handling/riding vehicles. If you believe some of the comments on this thread, you'd think that the 981 Cayman/Boxster and 991 handle terribly in comparison. Having driven all of these and the Evora, my point is that any advantage is marginal, if present at all. Of course, just an opinion but one based on experience of driving them at least (albeit on the road and I'm no Marc Lieb!).
Short little vid of what the exhaust sounds like on a 2011 Evora S, when under load. Not too bad for a Camry engine 
. Sporty without being too intrusive.
http://youtu.be/kWdGKVI9vq8
. Sporty without being too intrusive.http://youtu.be/kWdGKVI9vq8
Edited by Dave211 on Sunday 20th April 18:39
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