RE: Evora S Sports Racer: Intro
Discussion
rocketride said:
bencollins said:
Thought he made a pretty good case for the Cayman, sound reasoning, arent people entitled to their opinion - especially when clearly and refreshingly explained?. Lotus should address the points made, or should not have made them in the first place.
We know the case for the Cayman and every other Porsche model that's my point...we get it rammed down our throats on every video,article,forum post etc.Here is an idea, try recommending something else
Edited by rocketride on Wednesday 23 April 14:32
And even though Garlick and myself and many others compares the Evora with the Cayman, isnt it
2+2 Evora @= 2+2 911 c, Exige @= cayman
I'm with the majority in this one. Can't believe a motoring journo has never driven an Elise and I would question their appreciation of the brand.
Lotus is about stunning dynamics and with the Evora, married to a modicum of practicality. It is no Cayman but surely that's the point?
I would much rather buy a new Lotus than Porsche when residuals are also taken into account.
Poor article written by someone who seems better placed to write the motoring section in the Guardian.
Lotus is about stunning dynamics and with the Evora, married to a modicum of practicality. It is no Cayman but surely that's the point?
I would much rather buy a new Lotus than Porsche when residuals are also taken into account.
Poor article written by someone who seems better placed to write the motoring section in the Guardian.
Ozzie Osmond said:
Richard-G said:
Clarkson ... the problem with a Porsche is that people see you driving them? he had a point.
Whereas the problem for Lotus is you don't see people driving them.A handful of hard-core enthusiasts who slag off the successful competition do nothing to help build a successful car company.
I'm not slagging off Porsche, i respect them. But this is pistonheads, lotus was one of the core brands that formed the reason this website existed in the first place, to distill them down to a poor sat nav is going against the ethos somewhat.
This isn't autocar.
And another thing, 15 laps of silverstone in the evora, 15 laps in the cayman, I'll drive the evora past the cayman driver with the smokey brakes and the look of impending doom when another 'light of doom' pops up on the dash, I speak from experience btw, seen plenty of 'focused' boxsters and caymans in bits after mild track day abuse.....
Ozzie Osmond said:
A handful of hard-core enthusiasts who slag off the successful competition do nothing to help build a successful car company.
Well it's actually the opposite, its not Porsche its the people/reviewers who can't put Porsche's dick down for 5 mins and come up for air. Why not make the heading - 'Don't bother reading this review, because we will only recommend you buy a Porsche at the end anyway, read the reviews on Porsche's instead'
It's making reading these reviews predictable, dreary and cliché. It's lazy journalism and not good for petrol-heads or the car industry.
Edited by rocketride on Wednesday 23 April 22:48
Richard-G said:
this is pistonheads, lotus was one of the core brands that formed the reason this website existed in the first place,
Sadly the PH "core brand" of TVR folded due to lack of customers. I'm sure we all want to see a successful, Norfolk-based Lotus selling excellent cars. My cash is ready and waiting if they get the product right!Ozzie Osmond said:
Richard-G said:
this is pistonheads, lotus was one of the core brands that formed the reason this website existed in the first place,
Sadly the PH "core brand" of TVR folded due to lack of customers. I'm sure we all want to see a successful, Norfolk-based Lotus selling excellent cars. My cash is ready and waiting if they get the product right!It's hard to imagine how a car can be more right, bring up entry and exit, bring up 'build quality' truth is you'll need a 991 gt3 to beat it but I hear they've had a few issues..... Nice plastics around the dash though and can you say centre lock alloys? What could go wrong?
I guess my fragmented point is, don't write Norfolk off before you try, nothing like the smell of a 'hot canoe full of petrol' after a drive.
British Beef said:
Terrible terrible terrbile write up, perhaps the worse I have read on Pistonheads.
Test drive new Lotus and concludes looks really nice, little mention of the actual driving, negative remarks regarding visbility (unless Garlic is a dwarf I dont see how this can be an issue) and ultimately rejected as a vehicle proposition on the grounds of lack of interior storage space for a phone & wallet, FFS!
THE CAYMAN ONLY HAS 2 SEATS!!
That means on the Evora you can use one rear seat for your wallet and the other for your phone, interior storage problem fixed.
Test drive new Lotus and concludes looks really nice, little mention of the actual driving, negative remarks regarding visbility (unless Garlic is a dwarf I dont see how this can be an issue) and ultimately rejected as a vehicle proposition on the grounds of lack of interior storage space for a phone & wallet, FFS!
THE CAYMAN ONLY HAS 2 SEATS!!
That means on the Evora you can use one rear seat for your wallet and the other for your phone, interior storage problem fixed.
As lovely as the Evora is, the lack of rearward visibility would be an absolute deal-breaker for me, and I'm a pretty big bloke...
Must say I was more than a little bemused by Garlick's comments. I have a 110 mile roundtrip commute starting at 06.30. Do I need storage space on my commute? No, none whatsoever. Paul - do you really take your wallet and phone out of your coat pockets every morning to put them somewhere in the car, and put them back in your coat or jacket every time before you leave the car? That strikes me as a bit odd (but then again, at that time of day it would be a recipe for disaster for me, anyway 
).
I could commute in a single seater with no boot space at al and it wouldn't compromise my journey in the least... It's when going on longer trips, with passengers, IKEA jaunts or pursuing sports/hobbies/interests that practicality becomes an issue, but you already have a Chimaera with a ruddy big boot for that...
).I could commute in a single seater with no boot space at al and it wouldn't compromise my journey in the least... It's when going on longer trips, with passengers, IKEA jaunts or pursuing sports/hobbies/interests that practicality becomes an issue, but you already have a Chimaera with a ruddy big boot for that...
Some weirdos posting on this thread. There aren't many people spending £50k plus on a new car who are focused entirely on driving dynamics . Just because car TV shows test cars for toss like; 'Driftabity' doesn't mean its relevant in the real world. Lotus cars are special to drive but for most people looking to use them daily they have to have more than a nod to practicality to make them viable as well. People don't buy new on the strength of steering feel.
The Evora looks pretty good but for me it is flawed in areas where a used 911 or new Cayman are not. The gear change is weak. The choice of red for graphics for the dash was not wise and I still think it was not priced correctly.
It does drive well. But there's more room for kids in the back of my 993. Such a shame they couldn't eek a little more room out of the rear to make it more usable.
I love Lotus, had 6 of their cars. 5 bought new. The Elise styling is now well over a decade old and in need of a refresh.
About time someone at Hethel had a proper chat with Ford or Vauxhall and got a halo product to market in the vein of a Lotus Carlton, Sunbeam or Cortina. The brand could do with the bump especially for younger drivers.
They should also week to get ice manufacturers involved with their cars at design stage. No doubt the bell ends here will start banging on about how car audio or sat nav are against the Lotus ethos but this stuff matters to people buying new cars. Lotus still has enough brand cachet that one of the makers of a good car hi fi, Pioneer, Alpine etc, would creme their corporate pants at the chance to market a proper integrated Bluetooth/speaker/sat nav/ camera option as an upgrade like Bose, JBL, Burmesiter etc are in bed with other car Marques. Buying in a cheap double din solution just doesn't cut it at this price point. Let Alpine work with Lotus and offer something bespoke.
This stuff matters. Buyers of high end cars don't want excuses and Lotus misses a trick not offering the right options at the right prices.
When people buy the cars used years down the line they are often, with exceptions of people like Justin 220, second cars. Liveability on a daily basis thus not so important. For the man buying new it's got to be the full package. That's why Porsche shifts so much volume, despite a decade of engine longevity woes.
Garlick was quite right to report on the details of how this car fits into your life every day. That's where it has to work. Those posting with some frothing at the mouth Porsche hatred spilling off their screen should really press preview before posting. You do yourselves no favours. It's not some ideological battle. It's just about cars FFS.
highway said:
Some weirdos posting on this thread. There aren't many people spending £50k plus on a new car who are focused entirely on driving dynamics . Just because car TV shows test cars for toss like; 'Driftabity' doesn't mean its relevant in the real world. Lotus cars are special to drive but for most people looking to use them daily they have to have more than a nod to practicality to make them viable as well. People don't buy new on the strength of steering feel.
The Evora looks pretty good but for me it is flawed in areas where a used 911 or new Cayman are not. The gear change is weak. The choice of red for graphics for the dash was not wise and I still think it was not priced correctly.
It does drive well. But there's more room for kids in the back of my 993. Such a shame they couldn't eek a little more room out of the rear to make it more usable.
I love Lotus, had 6 of their cars. 5 bought new. The Elise styling is now well over a decade old and in need of a refresh.
About time someone at Hethel had a proper chat with Ford or Vauxhall and got a halo product to market in the vein of a Lotus Carlton, Sunbeam or Cortina. The brand could do with the bump especially for younger drivers.
They should also week to get ice manufacturers involved with their cars at design stage. No doubt the bell ends here will start banging on about how car audio or sat nav are against the Lotus ethos but this stuff matters to people buying new cars. Lotus still has enough brand cachet that one of the makers of a good car hi fi, Pioneer, Alpine etc, would creme their corporate pants at the chance to market a proper integrated Bluetooth/speaker/sat nav/ camera option as an upgrade like Bose, JBL, Burmesiter etc are in bed with other car Marques. Buying in a cheap double din solution just doesn't cut it at this price point. Let Alpine work with Lotus and offer something bespoke.
This stuff matters. Buyers of high end cars don't want excuses and Lotus misses a trick not offering the right options at the right prices.
When people buy the cars used years down the line they are often, with exceptions of people like Justin 220, second cars. Liveability on a daily basis thus not so important. For the man buying new it's got to be the full package. That's why Porsche shifts so much volume, despite a decade of engine longevity woes.
Garlick was quite right to report on the details of how this car fits into your life every day. That's where it has to work. Those posting with some frothing at the mouth Porsche hatred spilling off their screen should really press preview before posting. You do yourselves no favours. It's not some ideological battle. It's just about cars FFS.
Very true, but you are assuming the average PHer is the same as the average man on the street. Garlick's report seemed to be aimed at the What Car? or Guardian reader.The Evora looks pretty good but for me it is flawed in areas where a used 911 or new Cayman are not. The gear change is weak. The choice of red for graphics for the dash was not wise and I still think it was not priced correctly.
It does drive well. But there's more room for kids in the back of my 993. Such a shame they couldn't eek a little more room out of the rear to make it more usable.
I love Lotus, had 6 of their cars. 5 bought new. The Elise styling is now well over a decade old and in need of a refresh.
About time someone at Hethel had a proper chat with Ford or Vauxhall and got a halo product to market in the vein of a Lotus Carlton, Sunbeam or Cortina. The brand could do with the bump especially for younger drivers.
They should also week to get ice manufacturers involved with their cars at design stage. No doubt the bell ends here will start banging on about how car audio or sat nav are against the Lotus ethos but this stuff matters to people buying new cars. Lotus still has enough brand cachet that one of the makers of a good car hi fi, Pioneer, Alpine etc, would creme their corporate pants at the chance to market a proper integrated Bluetooth/speaker/sat nav/ camera option as an upgrade like Bose, JBL, Burmesiter etc are in bed with other car Marques. Buying in a cheap double din solution just doesn't cut it at this price point. Let Alpine work with Lotus and offer something bespoke.
This stuff matters. Buyers of high end cars don't want excuses and Lotus misses a trick not offering the right options at the right prices.
When people buy the cars used years down the line they are often, with exceptions of people like Justin 220, second cars. Liveability on a daily basis thus not so important. For the man buying new it's got to be the full package. That's why Porsche shifts so much volume, despite a decade of engine longevity woes.
Garlick was quite right to report on the details of how this car fits into your life every day. That's where it has to work. Those posting with some frothing at the mouth Porsche hatred spilling off their screen should really press preview before posting. You do yourselves no favours. It's not some ideological battle. It's just about cars FFS.
highway said:
Some weirdos posting on this thread. There aren't many people spending £50k plus on a new car who are focused entirely on driving dynamics . Just because car TV shows test cars for toss like; 'Driftabity' doesn't mean its relevant in the real world. Lotus cars are special to drive but for most people looking to use them daily they have to have more than a nod to practicality to make them viable as well. People don't buy new on the strength of steering feel.
The Evora looks pretty good but for me it is flawed in areas where a used 911 or new Cayman are not. The gear change is weak. The choice of red for graphics for the dash was not wise and I still think it was not priced correctly.
It does drive well. But there's more room for kids in the back of my 993. Such a shame they couldn't eek a little more room out of the rear to make it more usable.
I love Lotus, had 6 of their cars. 5 bought new. The Elise styling is now well over a decade old and in need of a refresh.
About time someone at Hethel had a proper chat with Ford or Vauxhall and got a halo product to market in the vein of a Lotus Carlton, Sunbeam or Cortina. The brand could do with the bump especially for younger drivers.
They should also week to get ice manufacturers involved with their cars at design stage. No doubt the bell ends here will start banging on about how car audio or sat nav are against the Lotus ethos but this stuff matters to people buying new cars. Lotus still has enough brand cachet that one of the makers of a good car hi fi, Pioneer, Alpine etc, would creme their corporate pants at the chance to market a proper integrated Bluetooth/speaker/sat nav/ camera option as an upgrade like Bose, JBL, Burmesiter etc are in bed with other car Marques. Buying in a cheap double din solution just doesn't cut it at this price point. Let Alpine work with Lotus and offer something bespoke.
This stuff matters. Buyers of high end cars don't want excuses and Lotus misses a trick not offering the right options at the right prices.
When people buy the cars used years down the line they are often, with exceptions of people like Justin 220, second cars. Liveability on a daily basis thus not so important. For the man buying new it's got to be the full package. That's why Porsche shifts so much volume, despite a decade of engine longevity woes.
Garlick was quite right to report on the details of how this car fits into your life every day. That's where it has to work. Those posting with some frothing at the mouth Porsche hatred spilling off their screen should really press preview before posting. You do yourselves no favours. It's not some ideological battle. It's just about cars FFS.
+1 - I tried an Evora before I bought the GTS. I really liked it but the seats at the back are really tiny - way less space than the 997, so less useful for the kids. The door sills are very thick, so Mrs won't be too happy getting into it either. There was a bizarre glare from the windscreen, it didn't sound as nice, gear change wasn't as good and the handling was sublime but also remarkably similar to the 911. So on balance the 911 was the better car. I now have a Cayman R and I 'd compare that more to the Exige which is better handling and much rawer but less everyday friendly (I prefer the Exige as a driver's car but not as a semi-practical alternative to the Cayman). The Lotus just requires more compromise - however I would really like as Exige Cup as a track and weekend toy - they look incredible, but they are simply too expensive.The Evora looks pretty good but for me it is flawed in areas where a used 911 or new Cayman are not. The gear change is weak. The choice of red for graphics for the dash was not wise and I still think it was not priced correctly.
It does drive well. But there's more room for kids in the back of my 993. Such a shame they couldn't eek a little more room out of the rear to make it more usable.
I love Lotus, had 6 of their cars. 5 bought new. The Elise styling is now well over a decade old and in need of a refresh.
About time someone at Hethel had a proper chat with Ford or Vauxhall and got a halo product to market in the vein of a Lotus Carlton, Sunbeam or Cortina. The brand could do with the bump especially for younger drivers.
They should also week to get ice manufacturers involved with their cars at design stage. No doubt the bell ends here will start banging on about how car audio or sat nav are against the Lotus ethos but this stuff matters to people buying new cars. Lotus still has enough brand cachet that one of the makers of a good car hi fi, Pioneer, Alpine etc, would creme their corporate pants at the chance to market a proper integrated Bluetooth/speaker/sat nav/ camera option as an upgrade like Bose, JBL, Burmesiter etc are in bed with other car Marques. Buying in a cheap double din solution just doesn't cut it at this price point. Let Alpine work with Lotus and offer something bespoke.
This stuff matters. Buyers of high end cars don't want excuses and Lotus misses a trick not offering the right options at the right prices.
When people buy the cars used years down the line they are often, with exceptions of people like Justin 220, second cars. Liveability on a daily basis thus not so important. For the man buying new it's got to be the full package. That's why Porsche shifts so much volume, despite a decade of engine longevity woes.
Garlick was quite right to report on the details of how this car fits into your life every day. That's where it has to work. Those posting with some frothing at the mouth Porsche hatred spilling off their screen should really press preview before posting. You do yourselves no favours. It's not some ideological battle. It's just about cars FFS.
Also, the people on here complaining about the Evora being compared to a Cayman are frankly odd - if you have £50-60k to spend on a car and wanted a mid-engined sportscar, why wouldn't you look at both? I mean I'd be looking at M3's, C63AMG's and the like too!
J-P said:
highway said:
Some weirdos posting on this thread. There aren't many people spending £50k plus on a new car who are focused entirely on driving dynamics . Just because car TV shows test cars for toss like; 'Driftabity' doesn't mean its relevant in the real world. Lotus cars are special to drive but for most people looking to use them daily they have to have more than a nod to practicality to make them viable as well. People don't buy new on the strength of steering feel.
The Evora looks pretty good but for me it is flawed in areas where a used 911 or new Cayman are not. The gear change is weak. The choice of red for graphics for the dash was not wise and I still think it was not priced correctly.
It does drive well. But there's more room for kids in the back of my 993. Such a shame they couldn't eek a little more room out of the rear to make it more usable.
I love Lotus, had 6 of their cars. 5 bought new. The Elise styling is now well over a decade old and in need of a refresh.
About time someone at Hethel had a proper chat with Ford or Vauxhall and got a halo product to market in the vein of a Lotus Carlton, Sunbeam or Cortina. The brand could do with the bump especially for younger drivers.
They should also week to get ice manufacturers involved with their cars at design stage. No doubt the bell ends here will start banging on about how car audio or sat nav are against the Lotus ethos but this stuff matters to people buying new cars. Lotus still has enough brand cachet that one of the makers of a good car hi fi, Pioneer, Alpine etc, would creme their corporate pants at the chance to market a proper integrated Bluetooth/speaker/sat nav/ camera option as an upgrade like Bose, JBL, Burmesiter etc are in bed with other car Marques. Buying in a cheap double din solution just doesn't cut it at this price point. Let Alpine work with Lotus and offer something bespoke.
This stuff matters. Buyers of high end cars don't want excuses and Lotus misses a trick not offering the right options at the right prices.
When people buy the cars used years down the line they are often, with exceptions of people like Justin 220, second cars. Liveability on a daily basis thus not so important. For the man buying new it's got to be the full package. That's why Porsche shifts so much volume, despite a decade of engine longevity woes.
Garlick was quite right to report on the details of how this car fits into your life every day. That's where it has to work. Those posting with some frothing at the mouth Porsche hatred spilling off their screen should really press preview before posting. You do yourselves no favours. It's not some ideological battle. It's just about cars FFS.
+1 - I tried an Evora before I bought the GTS. I really liked it but the seats at the back are really tiny - way less space than the 997, so less useful for the kids. The door sills are very thick, so Mrs won't be too happy getting into it either. There was a bizarre glare from the windscreen, it didn't sound as nice, gear change wasn't as good and the handling was sublime but also remarkably similar to the 911. So on balance the 911 was the better car. I now have a Cayman R and I 'd compare that more to the Exige which is better handling and much rawer but less everyday friendly (I prefer the Exige as a driver's car but not as a semi-practical alternative to the Cayman). The Lotus just requires more compromise - however I would really like as Exige Cup as a track and weekend toy - they look incredible, but they are simply too expensive.The Evora looks pretty good but for me it is flawed in areas where a used 911 or new Cayman are not. The gear change is weak. The choice of red for graphics for the dash was not wise and I still think it was not priced correctly.
It does drive well. But there's more room for kids in the back of my 993. Such a shame they couldn't eek a little more room out of the rear to make it more usable.
I love Lotus, had 6 of their cars. 5 bought new. The Elise styling is now well over a decade old and in need of a refresh.
About time someone at Hethel had a proper chat with Ford or Vauxhall and got a halo product to market in the vein of a Lotus Carlton, Sunbeam or Cortina. The brand could do with the bump especially for younger drivers.
They should also week to get ice manufacturers involved with their cars at design stage. No doubt the bell ends here will start banging on about how car audio or sat nav are against the Lotus ethos but this stuff matters to people buying new cars. Lotus still has enough brand cachet that one of the makers of a good car hi fi, Pioneer, Alpine etc, would creme their corporate pants at the chance to market a proper integrated Bluetooth/speaker/sat nav/ camera option as an upgrade like Bose, JBL, Burmesiter etc are in bed with other car Marques. Buying in a cheap double din solution just doesn't cut it at this price point. Let Alpine work with Lotus and offer something bespoke.
This stuff matters. Buyers of high end cars don't want excuses and Lotus misses a trick not offering the right options at the right prices.
When people buy the cars used years down the line they are often, with exceptions of people like Justin 220, second cars. Liveability on a daily basis thus not so important. For the man buying new it's got to be the full package. That's why Porsche shifts so much volume, despite a decade of engine longevity woes.
Garlick was quite right to report on the details of how this car fits into your life every day. That's where it has to work. Those posting with some frothing at the mouth Porsche hatred spilling off their screen should really press preview before posting. You do yourselves no favours. It's not some ideological battle. It's just about cars FFS.
Also, the people on here complaining about the Evora being compared to a Cayman are frankly odd - if you have £50-60k to spend on a car and wanted a mid-engined sportscar, why wouldn't you look at both? I mean I'd be looking at M3's, C63AMG's and the like too!
As a road car, I did find the Exige freakishly brilliant.
ConfusedOne said:
Very true, but you are assuming the average PHer is the same as the average man on the street. Garlick's report seemed to be aimed at the What Car? or Guardian reader.
But we have all read the guff about how great the ride and steering feel are haven't we? It's old hat. In short people broadly like the styling, wax on about the aforementioned ride and handling, moan about entry and egress and grumble about gear change, ergonomics and perceived quality of switchgear, including stereo. Then some comments on industrial/pedestrian/soulless engine with adequate performance to conclude with; " pretty good but the Porsche wins it...."I am on PH, I'm not interested in reading a version of that review again. Talking about what the car is like to actually live with is the point of a long term test. Spare me from more about how it's a race car for the road or how"telepathic" the steering is please...
ConfusedOne said:
I adore the new Exige V6 but not sure how it is too expensive? As a pure driver's car, I can't see much that would better it for the money? It is perhaps arguable if a 991 GT3 is the more fun machine.
As a road car, I did find the Exige freakishly brilliant.
My CR cost me £51k brand new. It has sports exhaust, Spyder alloys, bucket seats, as well as integrated sat nav and bluetooth telephone module. It also has some cubby hole space (like Garlic I take out my wallet when I drive) and two boots. This additional practicality means that the Mrs and I can do a small monthly shop in it (so it gets more use). Additionally, if I need to take one of the kids to a party, we can go in the Porsche as the sat nav will find the place and we can call the organiser if we're running late. It's not quite as much fun as the Exige V6 but it's close, the additional practicality makes it a better ownership proposition and it was actually cheaper that the Exige S I wanted, so yes the Exige is too expensive (for me, if it's simply awesome value for money to you, great! I hope you enjoy every second of your ownership) As a road car, I did find the Exige freakishly brilliant.
There's obviously a huge element of personal preference to perception of value. For me, the 987 Cayman is over-priced because it costs nearly as much as the Exige and is (again for me, before the Porsche fans start complaining) complete rubbish to drive in comparison. For someone else, I can easily see how it could be the other way around. The Evora I don't know, because I haven't driven one but from what I've read it doesn't appear to do anything that I value in a car any worse than the Cayman and does some of my most important things better.
Obviously the market as a whole views the Cayman as better value because there seems to be a million Caymans for every Exige on the roads.
Edited by kambites on Thursday 24th April 09:43
I have an Evora S and it is a fantastic drive. I recently drove a new Boxster S and whilst it was very competant, I also found it dull.
I do not have the pointless rear seats (so plenty of convenient storage) and am not interested in "gizmos" and have never had any issues with glare that is often referred to? Rear visibility is not the best but I have door mirrors?
However, there is no doubt the Porsche Cayman/911 wins hands down when it comes to detail and maturity of design...day to day practicalities that matter to many people. You pays your money and takes your choice. Oh yes, list price is not the ownership cost whereas depreciation is the significant one. Due to Porsches success and the shear numbers of second hand cars available, they are the more expensive option at the end of the day.
I do not have the pointless rear seats (so plenty of convenient storage) and am not interested in "gizmos" and have never had any issues with glare that is often referred to? Rear visibility is not the best but I have door mirrors?
However, there is no doubt the Porsche Cayman/911 wins hands down when it comes to detail and maturity of design...day to day practicalities that matter to many people. You pays your money and takes your choice. Oh yes, list price is not the ownership cost whereas depreciation is the significant one. Due to Porsches success and the shear numbers of second hand cars available, they are the more expensive option at the end of the day.
kambites said:
Obviously the market as a whole views the Cayman as better value because there seems to be a million Caymans for every Exige on the roads.
there's obviously more Caymans on the road than Exige but the Cayman has never sold in that great numbers, probably due to the open top version being cheaper.Edited by kambites on Thursday 24th April 09:43
highway said:
But we have all read the guff about how great the ride and steering feel are haven't we? It's old hat. In short people broadly like the styling, wax on about the aforementioned ride and handling, moan about entry and egress and grumble about gear change, ergonomics and perceived quality of switchgear, including stereo. Then some comments on industrial/pedestrian/soulless engine with adequate performance to conclude with; " pretty good but the Porsche wins it...."
I am on PH, I'm not interested in reading a version of that review again. Talking about what the car is like to actually live with is the point of a long term test. Spare me from more about how it's a race car for the road or how"telepathic" the steering is please...
If someone wants to know what they're like on a day to day basis, why don't they ask that question on the Evora part of this forum? Or just buy a Cayman if gloveboxes are so important to them - although that does confuse me because I've never heard Porsche interiors being lauded for their ergonomic success. I am on PH, I'm not interested in reading a version of that review again. Talking about what the car is like to actually live with is the point of a long term test. Spare me from more about how it's a race car for the road or how"telepathic" the steering is please...
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