RE: Evora S Sports Racer: Intro
Discussion
SpudLink said:
Perhaps the problem is people (journalists) expected cars to fit into an existing 'class'. Porsche is considered the definition of the sports car classes. By not being an exact fit into either the Caymen or (current) 911 class of car, the Evora considered to have failed to match either.
It seems people have difficulty accepting it on its own terms.
You make a good point. Gavan Kershaw once told me that the main problem with the Evora was getting people to try them, he said once they had tried them they had little problem converting them into sales.It seems people have difficulty accepting it on its own terms.
Personally I'm gobsmacked that a motoring website has two writers who'd NEVER driven ANY Lotus until now. Huh? Don't Lotus PR lend them cars? Don't they have friends with Loti? Did they never just think to ask for a go in someone's at a Sunday Service? They're in the business of writing about performance cars after all.
otolith said:
It's a fair point that cars which are not trying to be exactly the same kind of thing as whatever the scribblers consider to be the class leader tend not to be judged on their own terms.
It certainly happens somtimes, but I think it's the exception not the norm. Most journalists will explain the relatively differences between the cars - what each one does better than the other - and then go on to give their own opinion of which is better overall and why. No-one forces people to read the second half of that and anyone who bases their buying decision on it is an idiot, but that's not the journalists' fault. kambites said:
It certainly happens somtimes, but I think it's the exception not the norm. Most journalists will explain the relatively differences between the cars - what each one does better than the other - and then go on to give their own opinion of which is better overall and why. No-one forces people to read the second half of that and anyone who bases their buying decision on it is an idiot, but that's not the journalists' fault.
And many car buyers are certainly idiots, such as those who buy a car without having driven it and then complaining that it wasn't what they were expecting. Like my mate's girlfriend who bought a brand new MX-5 thinking it would be "really fast like a Porsche". I explained that isn't what they were about but it was still a great car but she was so disappointed she sold it within about 6 weeks and lost a shedload of cash on it. No sympathy at all though.kambites said:
It certainly happens somtimes, but I think it's the exception not the norm. Most journalists will explain the relatively differences between the cars - what each one does better than the other - and then go on to give their own opinion of which is better overall and why. No-one forces people to read the second half of that and anyone who bases their buying decision on it is an idiot, but that's not the journalists' fault.
Most cars are easily pigeonholed. Something which isn't, which makes different compromises, may be difficult to benchmark. The RX-8 was a good example.zebedee said:
kambites said:
It certainly happens somtimes, but I think it's the exception not the norm. Most journalists will explain the relatively differences between the cars - what each one does better than the other - and then go on to give their own opinion of which is better overall and why. No-one forces people to read the second half of that and anyone who bases their buying decision on it is an idiot, but that's not the journalists' fault.
And many car buyers are certainly idiots, such as those who buy a car without having driven it and then complaining that it wasn't what they were expecting. Like my mate's girlfriend who bought a brand new MX-5 thinking it would be "really fast like a Porsche". I explained that isn't what they were about but it was still a great car but she was so disappointed she sold it within about 6 weeks and lost a shedload of cash on it. No sympathy at all though.The reviews I've read have been good enough that I know I'd never buy a 911 without driving an Evora and vice versa. That's all the review has to provide for me.
Read the updates with interest. Observations: 1) shameful that 2 PH hacks have never driven a Lotus until now 2) agree that the Evora isn't easily pigeonholed and struggles against the Stuttgart offerings in terms of build quality but equally Porsche and jaguar and Aston suffer terrible comparison with the sublime Evora ride steering and handling.
I write this as the proud owner of a 997 c2 and an Evora. The 997 came before Evora was launched but the Lotus won me over in the same way the R8 on my shopping list left me ever so regrettably cold and the Aston was just hard work to really like once I looked beyond its tailored suit.
The 997 and Evora are very different cars, but the Lotus is just more special and the one I drive for fun. It is a mini Supercar, attracts interest in a way the Carrera can only dream of and is just so comfortable and precise. The 997 will probably go when my company car is changed next year and the Cooper S is replaced by (probably) a Golf R, despite being incredibly capable.
I write this as the proud owner of a 997 c2 and an Evora. The 997 came before Evora was launched but the Lotus won me over in the same way the R8 on my shopping list left me ever so regrettably cold and the Aston was just hard work to really like once I looked beyond its tailored suit.
The 997 and Evora are very different cars, but the Lotus is just more special and the one I drive for fun. It is a mini Supercar, attracts interest in a way the Carrera can only dream of and is just so comfortable and precise. The 997 will probably go when my company car is changed next year and the Cooper S is replaced by (probably) a Golf R, despite being incredibly capable.
I think they are definitely better looking than the exige especially in SR guise. It is just so different from everything else.
I would wait for the Hp upgrade that Lotus has been promising since end of 2013. The current engine and gearbox can take up to a rumoured 370HP via intake, exhaust, pulley and edu upgrades.
That will clear some air between the GTS cayman and it. If an upgrade is coming it should be now as porsche has responded to the F-type with the GTS, where is Lotus's response?
I would wait for the Hp upgrade that Lotus has been promising since end of 2013. The current engine and gearbox can take up to a rumoured 370HP via intake, exhaust, pulley and edu upgrades.
That will clear some air between the GTS cayman and it. If an upgrade is coming it should be now as porsche has responded to the F-type with the GTS, where is Lotus's response?
There have been mutterings about gearbox failures on Ss which have been tuned, although I don't actually know of any concrete examples. I don't know how much it's capable of taking whilst maintaining "production" levels of reliability.
The last thing Lotus need is a car with significant reliability issues with the major mechanical components.
The last thing Lotus need is a car with significant reliability issues with the major mechanical components.
moribund said:
Personally I'm gobsmacked that a motoring website has two writers who'd NEVER driven ANY Lotus until now. Huh? Don't Lotus PR lend them cars? Don't they have friends with Loti? Did they never just think to ask for a go in someone's at a Sunday Service? They're in the business of writing about performance cars after all.
Well Matt is the new guy here, so it's OK. But I was very, very surprised when I learned Garlick had never driven one before...otolith said:
Most cars are easily pigeonholed. Something which isn't, which makes different compromises, may be difficult to benchmark. The RX-8 was a good example.
GT86 too. But that's a thread shift. Pigeonholes work well because most cars are bought with image in mind, even by PHers
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