RE: McLaren vs Porsche
Discussion
jamespink said:
Much has been made of the Porsche recall but honestly I do not see the issue. Porsche drop of a clean loan car, take yours away, replace the faulty part, and return it valeted... Not a big deal is it?
It's a complete engine replacement - if that's not a big deal I don't know what is.jamespink said:
Much has been made of the Porsche recall but honestly I do not see the issue. Porsche drop of a clean loan car, take yours away, replace the faulty part, and return it valeted... Not a big deal is it?
1. Cancelled holidays/track days2. Depreciating asset that can't be driven
3. Potential drop in residual price
4. Continued concern over the robustness of the engine
5. Car sat around in open compounds
6. Cars already delivered having open heart surgery, is that a new car??
7. Zero communication from Porsche with regards progress
8. Complete disparity between markets over compensation
9. People end up getting a 2014 car, and the next day your neighbour gets the 2015 car.
Just off the top of my head!
Not everybody is multi-millionaire with loads of toys, some people are genuine enthusiasts who bust their balls to experience these cars, so yes the whole issue does somewhat take the shine out of the experience!
AndyBrew said:
1. Cancelled holidays/track days
2. Depreciating asset that can't be driven
3. Potential drop in residual price
4. Continued concern over the robustness of the engine
5. Car sat around in open compounds
6. Cars already delivered having open heart surgery, is that a new car??
7. Zero communication from Porsche with regards progress
8. Complete disparity between markets over compensation
9. People end up getting a 2014 car, and the next day your neighbour gets the 2015 car.
Just off the top of my head!
Not everybody is multi-millionaire with loads of toys, some people are genuine enthusiasts who bust their balls to experience these cars, so yes the whole issue does somewhat take the shine out of the experience!
This. But in truth, I doubt it will affect residual values in the slightest.2. Depreciating asset that can't be driven
3. Potential drop in residual price
4. Continued concern over the robustness of the engine
5. Car sat around in open compounds
6. Cars already delivered having open heart surgery, is that a new car??
7. Zero communication from Porsche with regards progress
8. Complete disparity between markets over compensation
9. People end up getting a 2014 car, and the next day your neighbour gets the 2015 car.
Just off the top of my head!
Not everybody is multi-millionaire with loads of toys, some people are genuine enthusiasts who bust their balls to experience these cars, so yes the whole issue does somewhat take the shine out of the experience!
AndyBrew said:
some people are genuine enthusiasts who bust their balls to experience these cars, so yes the whole issue does somewhat take the shine out of the experience!
old Sinhalese wisdom: if you cannot afford to lose the kit, do not be an early adopter. Wait patiently until it is mature.jamespink said:
Much has been made of the Porsche recall but honestly I do not see the issue. Porsche drop of a clean loan car, take yours away, replace the faulty part, and return it valeted... Not a big deal is it?
So you pay for a GT3 and end up running around in a 320D loan car - it would be a big deal to me.I remember reading a top gear magazine article, and also some things from Chris Harris in which both recognized the 12C's value and character, and said that in a few years we would all look back at that car and see it for what it was, instead of just comparing it to the 458 like everyone did at the time.
I think we're finally in that moment, people are looking at used 12C's and realizing that it might be just what they're looking for. And like the article says, these people are usually Porsche owners - they give more value to how a car drives than to how it looks, they're more in tune with McLaren's philosophy than with the Ferrari one.
I'd love to see McLaren grow as a brand that's similar to Porsche in its values (and heritage too). I think it would be a rivalry we PHers would love to watch unfold through the years... Let's just hope McLaren doesn't end up making diesel SUV's... cof Macan...
I think we're finally in that moment, people are looking at used 12C's and realizing that it might be just what they're looking for. And like the article says, these people are usually Porsche owners - they give more value to how a car drives than to how it looks, they're more in tune with McLaren's philosophy than with the Ferrari one.
I'd love to see McLaren grow as a brand that's similar to Porsche in its values (and heritage too). I think it would be a rivalry we PHers would love to watch unfold through the years... Let's just hope McLaren doesn't end up making diesel SUV's... cof Macan...
How refreshing to read a senior figure in the industry openly and constructively admiring the product of one of his competitors. And why not? McLaren, Porsche Ferrari ALL make good cars, and it just childish to do nothing but put down another product just cos it doesn't have your badge on it.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if our politicians could adopt such a grown up attitude. I am sick to death of Messrs Milliband, Cameron and all the other braying donkeys ranting at each other with all the panache of a 5 year old in a playground. Wise up MP's, there is a lesson here for you from a proper grown up!
Wouldn't it be wonderful if our politicians could adopt such a grown up attitude. I am sick to death of Messrs Milliband, Cameron and all the other braying donkeys ranting at each other with all the panache of a 5 year old in a playground. Wise up MP's, there is a lesson here for you from a proper grown up!
anonymous said:
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OK, but now you're the one buying the car used in a year or two and you have the choice of an early car thats had a full engine replacement or a later car that was fitted with the engine as normal on the line at Zuffenhausen. No question what the fussy used buyer will prefer. Its a PR disaster I'm afraid.
And these cars have effectively been embargoed from being driven for months and months whilst Porsche worked out what to do.
Sampaio said:
Let's just hope McLaren doesn't end up making diesel SUV's... cof Macan...
I dont normally bite, but I hate comments like this. If Porsche didnt make SUV's then the sports cars they produce would be half as good. Its easy to sit and slate sports manufacturers for making superminis (cygnet!) & SUV's but these cars arent always made out of choice. They are often made so their business can continue to grow/become more profitable so they can continue to invest money into their sports models for us people to dream about.Plus think about it. If you had the requirement (and funds of course) for a SUV - who would you rather have make yours. A run of the mill manufacturer who normally makes boring city cars for 20k or a top of the range volume sports car manufacturer who has tried to build fun/performance into an otherwise boring utility vehicle.
If in the future McLaren decide to release a top end SUV to support and grow their business, I bloody well hope people buy it so we can see what sports cars they will continue to produce in the future.
These manufacturers are businesses, not organisations to please old hat people
Great. There will be a thrashed GT3 for sale, formerly owned by the McLaren Automotive MD once the P13 is on the road, the the owner laughing his head off as he gets into his P13.
All the better is that McLaren will do it without the resources of one of the biggest automotive groups in the world.
The days of the 911 are numbered. Look forward to see Porsches new mid engined sports car.
All the better is that McLaren will do it without the resources of one of the biggest automotive groups in the world.
The days of the 911 are numbered. Look forward to see Porsches new mid engined sports car.
Preferably not one that's on fire though 
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