RE: Toyota GT86 facelift details
Discussion
Clivey said:
It's. A. Template. - You get a great base car with a fantastic layout for a low price (though the exchange rate doesn't help us Brits), with low tax etc. then you can go mental, turning it into a fire breathing, supercar slaying monster or a stripped-out, lightweight track/drift special if you want...or just enjoy it as it is.
So why don't Toyota price it like a template? Give us the stripped-out base model with steelies and no A/C that they sell in Japan, and price it competitively.Meanwhile Seat, Renault and Ford are selling cars that aren't templates for the same price or less, and buyers are snapping them up.
deltaevo16 said:
First thing we did when we bought ours, was to visit toys r us and buy a lego car kit, the rubber wheels fit nicely around the crappily small audio knobs, and look cool as well.
serious consumer advice there! I think my messy nephew might be losing more toys next time i visit.Rawwr said:
For me the GT86 is like a really tough computer game and playing it without any cheats. You have to work hard at it but it's ultimately hugely rewarding.
A Golf R or S3 is like Farmville. Every a
hole in the world seems to have it but it's just pointlessly clicking on stuff to achieve nothing.
point well made. A Golf R or S3 is like Farmville. Every a
hole in the world seems to have it but it's just pointlessly clicking on stuff to achieve nothing.AudiWurst said:
So why don't Toyota price it like a template? Give us the stripped-out base model with steelies and no A/C that they sell in Japan, and price it competitively.
Meanwhile Seat, Renault and Ford are selling cars that aren't templates for the same price or less, and buyers are snapping them up.
Which RWD coupes are Seat, Renault and Ford selling?Meanwhile Seat, Renault and Ford are selling cars that aren't templates for the same price or less, and buyers are snapping them up.
AudiWurst said:
So why don't Toyota price it like a template? Give us the stripped-out base model with steelies and no A/C that they sell in Japan, and price it competitively.
Probably because the type of people that do that here are more likely to wait for their friend Mr.Depreciation to give the value a good kick in the balls and snap a second hand one up. Because of our used market, you can get a car that's AudiWurst said:
Meanwhile Seat, Renault and Ford are selling cars that aren't templates for the same price or less, and buyers are snapping them up.
FWD Eco boxes? I wouldn't even consider one if I were in the market for a BRZ/GT86. More of a "problem" are the heavily-discounted 370Z and the M135i.how come that the article doesn't mention the option for storing lap driving and uploading it to Grand Tourismo 6? or whatever it's called. This is something that was reported by other news.
judging by the way discussion goes normally on a subject of GT86 most of 'readers/commentators' would understand this more than anything, since this is the only way they ever drive a car - on playstation
judging by the way discussion goes normally on a subject of GT86 most of 'readers/commentators' would understand this more than anything, since this is the only way they ever drive a car - on playstation
Rawwr said:
For me the GT86 is like a really tough computer game and playing it without any cheats. You have to work hard at it but it's ultimately hugely rewarding.
A Golf R or S3 is like Farmville. Every ahole in the world seems to have it but it's just pointlessly clicking on stuff to achieve nothing.
Well said that man, this is why I feel people who buy Golf Rs and S3s are stuck in some kind of macho time warp and buy a car based on a badge with no real intention of ever driving it properly, it's just a status symbol and nothing more gives them bragging rights down the pub and that's about it. A Golf R or S3 is like Farmville. Every a
hole in the world seems to have it but it's just pointlessly clicking on stuff to achieve nothing.Rawwr said:
For me the GT86 is like a really tough computer game and playing it without any cheats. You have to work hard at it but it's ultimately hugely rewarding.
A Golf R or S3 is like Farmville. Every ahole in the world seems to have it but it's just pointlessly clicking on stuff to achieve nothing.
Maybe true but these days the average 'Joe' is lazy and wants everything easy, convenient and handed to them, plus easy thrills.A Golf R or S3 is like Farmville. Every a
hole in the world seems to have it but it's just pointlessly clicking on stuff to achieve nothing.I think the GT86 is trying to compete as Elite or Jet Set Willy in an era of as you say, Farmville.
underphil said:
They should've gone with O.Z. Formula HLT for the new wheels:
I think what we can conclude from the various wheel posts is that Toyota could basically fit ANY other wheel design and it would look better than their offerings. It costs them MORE money to offer the wheel in the ghastly black/silver combo than if they just offered plain silver!I really don't get it. The wheels and the rear lights I find actually offensive. The basic car shape is rather pretty, but it's as if they aren't ALLOWED to sell something that's overall attractive and cohesive in design, and there's a specific department that specialises in designing crappy bits to shoehorn onto it to drag the entire thing down.
Scholars maintain that the last person that thought Lexus-style lights - such as the ones fitted to the GT86 as standard - were cool, actually passed away in 1876; and in all honesty, even he had started finding them distasteful about 40 years prior.
Thank god for the aftermarket (why the hell aren't Toyota selling it fitted with one of these instead):
In the US they have dealer-fit aftermarket bodykits and wheels from the sister company Five Axis. Doesn't affect your warranty and you can even spread the cost of the mods onto your monthly lease price. Tell me these wouldn't FLY out the door for an extra few quid a month! (Also note rear lights - just a red film over the chrome bits of the standard lights - improved immeasurably!)
This is, to me, honestly one of the most attractive new vehicles I've laid eyes upon, for ANY price. Let alone sub-30k.
Price is I think an issue still. Although I appreciate that it's competitive with how much a hot hatch costs these days, I still think it's too expensive for the market they're trying to attract. I myself and a couple of my friends are the target demographic and we all really fancy one, but despite being in decent-paying career jobs, we're still young (all around 25) and it's still too expensive to justify for what it is. If they could drive the price down - I'm mainly talking about leases or PCPs or whatever rather than outright cash price - or add value with things such as the Five Axis stuff, then I think demand would improve. As it is it's the car people want but it's too expensive for those who already want it; and those who can afford it, expect more for their money.
Also, jesus the lights and wheels are SO terrible. How do they keep doing this?!
Clivey said:
I completely agree. - The cars in your pictures look immeasurably better and that was my point regarding the car being a template. - Maybe they want you to think along the lines of "Well if I could just change this and this..." 
Indeed but how does it benefit them making the standard car look a bit rubbish? People who like modifying will do it anyway. People who don't, will be put off the car...Agree with Farmville post. Could someone - from Toyota or anyone else - explain what dynamic advantages (acceleration, fun, responsiveness) stem from fitting larger-diameter wheels? F1 cars have 13" wheels ffs. These new wheels are big, pointless and ugly; which shows Toyota at least understands what the modern buyer wants.
As for fitting a turbo/supercharger, just do the decent thing and buy yourself an RS4 if all you want is endless grip and sledge-hammer torque; the GT86 is a proper little sports car (definition: one you have to work at and can max on a normal road) which should be left as a sports car; there's enough of the willy-waving, boring, arcade grip-n-go power monsters out there already.
As for fitting a turbo/supercharger, just do the decent thing and buy yourself an RS4 if all you want is endless grip and sledge-hammer torque; the GT86 is a proper little sports car (definition: one you have to work at and can max on a normal road) which should be left as a sports car; there's enough of the willy-waving, boring, arcade grip-n-go power monsters out there already.
tommy1973s said:
Agree with Farmville post. Could someone - from Toyota or anyone else - explain what dynamic advantages (acceleration, fun, responsiveness) stem from fitting larger-diameter wheels? F1 cars have 13" wheels ffs.
Farmville?! Also I think 13" wheels are all they are allowed in F1.I think the only real advantages of low profile tyres all else being equal are:
You can fit slightly larger brake discs.
Better brake cooling.
They build grip faster.
The disadvantages are:
More weight.
They lose grip faster.
Everything else I'm not sure about.
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