Supermarket fuel (no not again)!

Supermarket fuel (no not again)!

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Mr MXT

7,692 posts

283 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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Toaster Pilot said:
I'd love to know what market share the supermarkets have in fuel sales for private cars, got to be a pretty big slice surely.
About 45%

RizzoTheRat

25,162 posts

192 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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Does the amount of biodiesel in it vary between brands? The amount in the blend has been increasing in recent years and it's a powerful solvent so presumably can cause issues on some vehicles not designed for it by weakening seals.. My Skoda says in the manual not to use biodiesel but doesn't give any information on how strong a blend it's safe to use.

kambites

67,561 posts

221 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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RizzoTheRat said:
Does the amount of biodiesel in it vary between brands?
A bit, but it looks like the legal minimum is 5% and the legal maximum (unless actually sold as biodiesel) is 7% so there's not a huge variation.

Devil2575

13,400 posts

188 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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Matt UK said:
The car is in warranty...

Ask the dealer why they are asking you this question and that and that if they think using supermarket fuel causes problems with their cars, to please detail the issues (potential or actual) in writing.

Have any manufacturers ever said not to use supermarket fuel? I would have thought that based on their global testing, there is fuel out there far inferior to Tesco offering! And that's before we get into the debate about ISO standards and it all coming from the same refineries hehe

Edited by Matt UK on Tuesday 15th April 11:14
This.

Sounds very much to me like a dealer trying to wriggle out of fixing the car under warranty.

RizzoTheRat

25,162 posts

192 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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Devil2575 said:
Sounds very much to me like a dealer trying to wriggle out of fixing the car under warranty.
Or it could be a dealer trying to find if there's a common element between failures so it can be investigated.

omgus

7,305 posts

175 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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Depending on the location it used to seem that all modded Scoobies for sale were either mapped for Tesco 99 or Shell opti.

Although the biodiesel thing in old cars is interesting as my mechanic mentioned that it's better to fill the diesel commuting shed up in a normal garage as old diesels "just seem to go wrong less" if you avoid Supermakets.

Devil2575

13,400 posts

188 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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omgus said:
Depending on the location it used to seem that all modded Scoobies for sale were either mapped for Tesco 99 or Shell opti.

Although the biodiesel thing in old cars is interesting as my mechanic mentioned that it's better to fill the diesel commuting shed up in a normal garage as old diesels "just seem to go wrong less" if you avoid Supermakets.
The same old diesels that run ok on used vegetable oil?

I'd take any anecdotal evidence like this with a large pinch of salt.

People tend to see what they want to see.

mcflurry

9,092 posts

253 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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AFAIK the Sainsbury's stuff comes from the same dinosaur remains as BP smile

RizzoTheRat

25,162 posts

192 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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Devil2575 said:
The same old diesels that run ok on used vegetable oil?
Completely different stuff. Biodiesel is an alkyl ester and a very powerful solvent.

ETA: I use mainly Sainsburys diesel with the occasional tank of Morrisons or Tescos.

Edited by RizzoTheRat on Tuesday 15th April 12:43

S0 What

3,358 posts

172 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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The whole family has been using only supermmarket fuel for the last 10+ years in a range of 30 odd cars over that time period and never had a problem fuel wise.

Toaster Pilot

14,619 posts

158 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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Mr MXT said:
About 45%
Interesting - I don't see 45% of the car buying public at the side of the road with broken fuel systems scratchchin

BFG TERRANO

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2,172 posts

148 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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Devil2575 said:
This.

Sounds very much to me like a dealer trying to wriggle out of fixing the car under warranty.
I think this is it. It might be back Thursday ish. Told them it's not run on supermarket fuel purely as I don't live near any. I asked why I was asked and they are seeing a patern of premature pump and injector failure with certain supermarket diesel.

eybic

9,212 posts

174 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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BFG TERRANO said:
I think this is it. It might be back Thursday ish. Told them it's not run on supermarket fuel purely as I don't live near any. I asked why I was asked and they are seeing a patern of premature pump and injector failure with certain supermarket diesel.
Yep, see my posts earlier although that was about 4 years ago.

Halmyre

11,194 posts

139 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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BFG TERRANO said:
Devil2575 said:
This.

Sounds very much to me like a dealer trying to wriggle out of fixing the car under warranty.
I think this is it. It might be back Thursday ish. Told them it's not run on supermarket fuel purely as I don't live near any. I asked why I was asked and they are seeing a patern of premature pump and injector failure with certain supermarket diesel.
So, you've not to use supermarket fuel but nobody's told you *not* to use supermarket fuel? And they hope to win this argument?

richs2891

897 posts

253 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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I had issues with the small local petrol station having diesel in the petrol pump. Luckily it was a loan car so no real issue, but I believe the loan people passed the bill to the garage.

I tend to find that my shogun does not like morrisons diesel, sound a lot rougher and takes longer to get up to temp, but runs fine on texaco diesel.
Yet my car will happily run on any type of diesel, supermarket or big brand stuff.

Buff Mchugelarge

3,316 posts

150 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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Both my cars get supermarket fuel.
The Fiat gets what it's given whilst the Renault get Tesco 99
They both think its delicious, and thoroughly look forward to a trip to Tesco.

omgus

7,305 posts

175 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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Devil2575 said:
The same old diesels that run ok on used vegetable oil?

I'd take any anecdotal evidence like this with a large pinch of salt.

People tend to see what they want to see.
yes those same diesels.

And as he makes most of his spare cash fixing stty french diesels i thought it was an interesting observation for him to come out with.

Although it could be nothing more than a correlation between the kind of person who buys a cheap, older (possibly french) diesel, doesn't maintain it and likes a local mechanic who is happy to do a bit of cash work also tending to get their fuel when they do their food shop.

I always fill up at the same place because it is next to work. So if my commuter broke i could tell you that diesel in Feltham makes your car stop working. smile

ManOpener

12,467 posts

169 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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Never noticed a difference between supermarket fuel and petrol station fuel in my old Focus.
Can't tell the difference between V-Power and Momentum 99 in the Leon.

GG89

3,527 posts

186 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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Tesco momentum 99 always. Never had a problem, most owners on the STOC use it too. Clutching at straws by the main dealer I'd say.

Andyjc86

1,149 posts

149 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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I wouldn't worry OP, Mazda tried to fob my mum off when her 2year old (company) car started cutting out. They blamed it on the fact that she let it go under a quarter of a tank regularly!

They ended up buying it back off the lease company.

The way I see it, all fuel has to be made to a certain standard, so as long as the petrol station looks like the type of place to conform to the regulations, then I use it smile