Supermarket fuel (no not again)!
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omgus said:
Devil2575 said:
The same old diesels that run ok on used vegetable oil?
I'd take any anecdotal evidence like this with a large pinch of salt.
People tend to see what they want to see.
I'd take any anecdotal evidence like this with a large pinch of salt.
People tend to see what they want to see.
those same diesels.And as he makes most of his spare cash fixing s
tty french diesels i thought it was an interesting observation for him to come out with. RizzoTheRat said:
The same French diesels (eg XUD9) that are renown for running very well on veg oil but also known to need various seals and hoses replaced if running them on biodiesel?
Those are the ones, annoyingly there is currently a serious lack of chip fat near me but they are seriously resilient engines, i am waiting for my current one to die but i think it's going to get all the way to the MOT with no issues.
The rest of the car however might not make it until the end of the week.
I may have previously have put an 1/8 of a tank of Petrol in a ZXtd and the advice from my Citroen man was "fill it up with diesel and drive it like you stole it and empty the tank by Saturday" so he does know they are pretty unbreakable.
I accidentally put about 3/4 of a tank of petrol in my ZXTD, drove it home (petrol is lighter than diesel right?), drained most of it in to a couple of jerry cans, filled up with diesel and it ran fine. I then used the petrol diesel mix in small quantities with veg oil from Costco.
The only problem with ruining on rape seed oil was that every time I drove it I fancied a plate of chips
Did 100k miles in 3.5 years in that car and ever mile I drove made me 9p profit I miss it.
The only problem with ruining on rape seed oil was that every time I drove it I fancied a plate of chips
Did 100k miles in 3.5 years in that car and ever mile I drove made me 9p profit
I miss it.
RizzoTheRat said:
The same French diesels (eg XUD9) that are renown for running very well on veg oil but also known to need various seals and hoses replaced if running them on biodiesel?
I thought modern ultra low sulphur diesel had similar corrosive effects on the rubber compounds though, meaning you'd have problems even with regular diesel on engines that were old enough to have components susceptible to biodiesel degradation?Anyway - my old Pug 106 diesel seemed to have no problems either on pure biodiesel or a mix of diesel and veg oil. Used to save anything up to 25p a litre by adding in veg oil to top up 2/3 of a tank until the cost of veg oil shot up to more than that of diesel (presumably due in large part to people using it to fuel their cars and increasing demand). What a great little car it was - it gave the impression of being indestructible mechanical-wise as even though it began to have lots of niggly problems (after a decade on the road) they were all easily and cheaply fixed and the car would keep going regardless in the meantime.
Edited by Lucas Ayde on Tuesday 15th April 16:02
Are people still going on about supermarket fuel being sub-standard?? I always assumed that Esso / Shell etc were sending out teams of professional trolls to discredit the Supermarkets.
I don't believe a word of it.
We're told by anyone that sells remaps, chips or boxes that our cars are designed an built to run on anything that a typical 3rd world back-street fuel station will decant into our tanks from a disused chemical drum so using our fancy, nice British Fuel they can safely extracts all those Horses without fear.
That there's actually only a handful of refineries in the UK, and if you buy some Esso go-juice in Bristol, the local Sainsbury's will more than likely have bought theirs from the same place for logistical reasons - because neither is shipping it down from their own special refinery 1000 miles away to ensure absolute purity.
Of course the same forums who bleat about the dangers of 'cheap' petrol, are generally also the best ones to learn all about how you can run your diesel hatch back on the stuff the local Abra-kebab-ra has decided it no longer good enough to deep fry transfats in.
But mostly despite all these lengths that Texaco and Co go to ensure their customers vehicles will out-last and out-perform those of us to fill up the car at the same time they fill up the fridge - that being the modest, shy businesses they are - they don't say a word about it, they're completely Mum about the 'fact' that spending a few pennies more a litre we could save thousands down the line - they're probably worried about shortages or something...
I don't believe a word of it.
We're told by anyone that sells remaps, chips or boxes that our cars are designed an built to run on anything that a typical 3rd world back-street fuel station will decant into our tanks from a disused chemical drum so using our fancy, nice British Fuel they can safely extracts all those Horses without fear.
That there's actually only a handful of refineries in the UK, and if you buy some Esso go-juice in Bristol, the local Sainsbury's will more than likely have bought theirs from the same place for logistical reasons - because neither is shipping it down from their own special refinery 1000 miles away to ensure absolute purity.
Of course the same forums who bleat about the dangers of 'cheap' petrol, are generally also the best ones to learn all about how you can run your diesel hatch back on the stuff the local Abra-kebab-ra has decided it no longer good enough to deep fry transfats in.
But mostly despite all these lengths that Texaco and Co go to ensure their customers vehicles will out-last and out-perform those of us to fill up the car at the same time they fill up the fridge - that being the modest, shy businesses they are - they don't say a word about it, they're completely Mum about the 'fact' that spending a few pennies more a litre we could save thousands down the line - they're probably worried about shortages or something...
droopsnoot said:
This was in our recent car club newsletter, reprinted from the FBHVC-supplied article:
"Supermarket petrol
A recent invitation to receive Tesco Club Card points when purchasing fuel from an Esso petrol station led to a conversation which revealed that Tesco sell Esso petrol and diesel, hence the Club Card arrangement. As one of the Big Three fuel retailers in the UK, Esso have always been keen to protect their quality image, so the sale of Esso fuel by Tesco is an interesting development which might go some way to refute the popularly held myth that supermarket petrol is of lower quality than that sold by the oil majors."
I have no further background on this.
What I don't get is why Esso Premium is 97 and Tesco Momentum is 99??"Supermarket petrol
A recent invitation to receive Tesco Club Card points when purchasing fuel from an Esso petrol station led to a conversation which revealed that Tesco sell Esso petrol and diesel, hence the Club Card arrangement. As one of the Big Three fuel retailers in the UK, Esso have always been keen to protect their quality image, so the sale of Esso fuel by Tesco is an interesting development which might go some way to refute the popularly held myth that supermarket petrol is of lower quality than that sold by the oil majors."
I have no further background on this.
KTF said:
The answer to this sort of nonsense question is always 'no'. If they think you have been then get then to prove it rather than say yes and watch them point to that as a get out clause.
Lucky enough the car is run on an All Star fuel card and never run on supermarket fuel. Checked with them and if needed they can print off all transactions with mileage and reg on. Told the dealer this is available if needed, I await their call!Halmyre said:
BFG TERRANO said:
Devil2575 said:
This.
Sounds very much to me like a dealer trying to wriggle out of fixing the car under warranty.
I think this is it. It might be back Thursday ish. Told them it's not run on supermarket fuel purely as I don't live near any. I asked why I was asked and they are seeing a patern of premature pump and injector failure with certain supermarket diesel.Sounds very much to me like a dealer trying to wriggle out of fixing the car under warranty.
I used to have a 51-plate E46 3-series petrol. That's the only car I've ever had that seemed really picky about the fuel you gave it.
If I put ASDA fuel into it, within a couple of miles I'd get an emissions light on the dash that would stay there until I put some other fuel (even from other supermarkets) into it, at which point it'd go off.
If I put ASDA fuel into it, within a couple of miles I'd get an emissions light on the dash that would stay there until I put some other fuel (even from other supermarkets) into it, at which point it'd go off.
In 30 years I've used only supermarket fuel, unless I've been unable to get to one (in which case it's a couple of gallons to get me by). I'm not made of money, nor daft enough to think that spaffing my hard-earned on V-Power makes the slightest difference.
Never ever ever had a problem.
Never ever ever had a problem.
Mave said:
I didn't read it that he was 'not to use supermarket fuel' - I read it that the dealer was trying to understand what might have caused the problem with the car. Helps fix the car, and helps improve the design for next time...
Given that all fuel is designed to meet the same standard (which is higher than some other countries that the same car is sold in) then asking what fuel you use is irrelevant - its like asking what air you use in your tyres.If this was such a big issue then you would think that manufacturers would run their test vehicles, company fleet, etc. all on supermarket fuel as that would soon highlight any problems.
Huff said:
vtecyo said:
What I don't get is why Esso Premium is 97 and Tesco Momentum is 99??
Momemtum is (I believe) supplied by Greenergy and acheives the 99 rating by adding more ethanol to the mix. More octane, less energy content.http://www.tescopfs.com/our-fuel/specifications
Martin4x4 said:
It is exactly the same fuel as the other local garrages, it will come from the same (one or few) local distributor and go to all the garrages in the area what ever their branding. In Hull & East Riding that is Rix wether you buy at Esso/Shell or Tesco/Morrisons.
Except for Shell Vpower which is only made at one refinery.I can only speak for Scotland and Northern England but would be surprised if it doesn’t apply to every refinery in England also.
I work at the Grangemouth refinery and have done so now for 14 years.
All petrol and diesel for road vehicles that leaves the refinery is exactly the same whatever tanker it goes into.
They all get filled from the same plant through the same pipes and from the same tank.
Looking out the window just now – awaiting filling at the same pump is an Esso tanker, behind it a Morrison tanker and behind that a Shell tanker.
However, once the tankers are full – things change.
The supermarket tankers leave and go straight to the supermarkets and that’s it.
Shell, Esso and BP have depots here on site.
Once their tankers are full – they head to their depots for their ‘extra ingredients’ to get added.
All fuel is refined to the same standard – with the branded fuels receiving the addition of further chemicals.
And that’s it I’m afraid.
I work at the Grangemouth refinery and have done so now for 14 years.
All petrol and diesel for road vehicles that leaves the refinery is exactly the same whatever tanker it goes into.
They all get filled from the same plant through the same pipes and from the same tank.
Looking out the window just now – awaiting filling at the same pump is an Esso tanker, behind it a Morrison tanker and behind that a Shell tanker.
However, once the tankers are full – things change.
The supermarket tankers leave and go straight to the supermarkets and that’s it.
Shell, Esso and BP have depots here on site.
Once their tankers are full – they head to their depots for their ‘extra ingredients’ to get added.
All fuel is refined to the same standard – with the branded fuels receiving the addition of further chemicals.
And that’s it I’m afraid.
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