RE: Discovery Vision Concept revealed by Land Rover
Discussion
Snowboy said:
I wonder what the boot space is like.
I have a D3 and I love the huge boot.
Same here. I really like the look of this, but if it becomes less practical it'll be less appealing.I have a D3 and I love the huge boot.
Saying that I've only probably one year more of carting a buggy around, then it's just the dogs to consider
Stu R said:
If you utterly adored it, would you be in the market for one?
Couple of other points, I'll wager this one can do anything you've done, or will do, in your D2. If it's anything like the D3 / D4 it'll be very, very capable.
I don't know if you're too young to recall, but older Discos were just as popular with the yummy mums in the 90's when they were new - they've always been used exactly as the flashier, newer ones are today. The only thing that's changed is the old ones got old, and more people have access to the new ones.
In '96 LR Mayfair was turning Discos out faster than they could get them. As best I can recall, the Camel Trophy didn't have many Mayfair stages.
Yes i know that, but at the same time they were still rugged and simple enough to fulfill their purpose of a family SUV that could be taken into the wild. There's nothing remotely rugged looking about the new one. Sure, It's probably very capable of maintaining traction on a slippery surface due to sophisticated systems, but show it something requiring a decent approach or breakover angle, or a proper suspension articulation (independent suspension can not match a beam for this, despite whatever some people may claim), and it'll soon get damaged. And how well do you think the electronics and pale leather will stand up to wet or muddy conditions? Any chance of off road bumpers and under-guards available to fit it?Couple of other points, I'll wager this one can do anything you've done, or will do, in your D2. If it's anything like the D3 / D4 it'll be very, very capable.
I don't know if you're too young to recall, but older Discos were just as popular with the yummy mums in the 90's when they were new - they've always been used exactly as the flashier, newer ones are today. The only thing that's changed is the old ones got old, and more people have access to the new ones.
In '96 LR Mayfair was turning Discos out faster than they could get them. As best I can recall, the Camel Trophy didn't have many Mayfair stages.
How well do you think it could be repaired Bush-style to get you home from somewhere remote?
I know I'm biased but I honestly believe the D2 will be the best Land Rover ever made. It was the tipping point. Just right the balance of technology and simplicity. I'd wager that in 20 years there will be one of those companies that brings out a refreshed version of the D2, in the same way people are doing with MGBs, Jensens and older Defenders. Same chassis and body but perfected. All the creases ironed out, better more modern electrics, galv'd chassis etc.
Evo said:
I don't want to be able to drive up the south downs, I don't want to be able to drive through a foot of water.
What I do want is a 4x4 that handles well and goes like stink, which is why we're buying a Porsche Macan.
Different strokes for different folks but the Porsche ethos suits our needs better, Jaguar et Landrover are on a nice roll so I think it'll be a great car when it comes out.
Then buy a pointless bloody German pseudo-suv, or better yet, a 4wd estate car, and leave Land rover alone to design products that CAN handle rough situations for people that DO want to explore away from the beaten track. What I do want is a 4x4 that handles well and goes like stink, which is why we're buying a Porsche Macan.
Different strokes for different folks but the Porsche ethos suits our needs better, Jaguar et Landrover are on a nice roll so I think it'll be a great car when it comes out.
The whole "I want a stiff, low SUV that drives like a sports car" argument is the most ridiculous, oxymoronic mindset I've ever encountered.
ChemicalChaos said:
Stu R said:
If you utterly adored it, would you be in the market for one?
Couple of other points, I'll wager this one can do anything you've done, or will do, in your D2. If it's anything like the D3 / D4 it'll be very, very capable.
I don't know if you're too young to recall, but older Discos were just as popular with the yummy mums in the 90's when they were new - they've always been used exactly as the flashier, newer ones are today. The only thing that's changed is the old ones got old, and more people have access to the new ones.
In '96 LR Mayfair was turning Discos out faster than they could get them. As best I can recall, the Camel Trophy didn't have many Mayfair stages.
Yes i know that, but at the same time they were still rugged and simple enough to fulfill their purpose of a family SUV that could be taken into the wild. There's nothing remotely rugged looking about the new one. Sure, It's probably very capable of maintaining traction on a slippery surface due to sophisticated systems, but show it something requiring a decent approach or breakover angle, or a proper suspension articulation (independent suspension can not match a beam for this, despite whatever some people may claim), and it'll soon get damaged. And how well do you think the electronics and pale leather will stand up to wet or muddy conditions? Any chance of off road bumpers and under-guards available to fit it?Couple of other points, I'll wager this one can do anything you've done, or will do, in your D2. If it's anything like the D3 / D4 it'll be very, very capable.
I don't know if you're too young to recall, but older Discos were just as popular with the yummy mums in the 90's when they were new - they've always been used exactly as the flashier, newer ones are today. The only thing that's changed is the old ones got old, and more people have access to the new ones.
In '96 LR Mayfair was turning Discos out faster than they could get them. As best I can recall, the Camel Trophy didn't have many Mayfair stages.
How well do you think it could be repaired Bush-style to get you home from somewhere remote?
I know I'm biased but I honestly believe the D2 will be the best Land Rover ever made. It was the tipping point. Just right the balance of technology and simplicity. I'd wager that in 20 years there will be one of those companies that brings out a refreshed version of the D2, in the same way people are doing with MGBs, Jensens and older Defenders. Same chassis and body but perfected. All the creases ironed out, better more modern electrics, galv'd chassis etc.
Evo said:
I don't want to be able to drive up the south downs, I don't want to be able to drive through a foot of water.
What I do want is a 4x4 that handles well and goes like stink, which is why we're buying a Porsche Macan.
Different strokes for different folks but the Porsche ethos suits our needs better, Jaguar et Landrover are on a nice roll so I think it'll be a great car when it comes out.
Then buy a pointless bloody German pseudo-suv, or better yet, a 4wd estate car, and leave Land rover alone to design products that CAN handle rough situations for people that DO want to explore away from the beaten track. What I do want is a 4x4 that handles well and goes like stink, which is why we're buying a Porsche Macan.
Different strokes for different folks but the Porsche ethos suits our needs better, Jaguar et Landrover are on a nice roll so I think it'll be a great car when it comes out.
The whole "I want a stiff, low SUV that drives like a sports car" argument is the most ridiculous, oxymoronic mindset I've ever encountered.
I will buy a Porsche Macan because I don't need a full off roader just one that can navigate through the flooded roads on the south downs to get to the office when required, it means my wife can continue to run her company that pays for these things 
LandRover should continue to make proper off roaders for those that do need them.
When you've grown up a bit make a sensible comment
king hope not!cjm said:
Something about the styling makes me think of a Saab!
Someone has been reading sniff petrol.... this was posted when the teaser image was released...http://sniffpetrol.com/2014/04/03/land-rover-accid...
Evo said:
rhinochopig said:
Take note Porsche / Bentley, this is how to design a sophisticated looking off-roader. Shoehorning a saloon / sportscar aesthetic onto a 4x4 simply doesn't work.
Oh yes it does, I don't want to be able to drive up the south downs, I do want to be able to drive through a foot of water.What I do want is a 4x4 that handles well and goes like stink, which is why we're buying a Porsche Macan.
Different strokes for different folks but the Porsche ethos suits our needs better, Jaguar et Landrover are on a nice roll so I think it'll be a great car when it comes out.
If you want a car that wades buy it from a company with off road heritage!
ChemicalChaos said:
Stu R said:
If you utterly adored it, would you be in the market for one?
Couple of other points, I'll wager this one can do anything you've done, or will do, in your D2. If it's anything like the D3 / D4 it'll be very, very capable.
I don't know if you're too young to recall, but older Discos were just as popular with the yummy mums in the 90's when they were new - they've always been used exactly as the flashier, newer ones are today. The only thing that's changed is the old ones got old, and more people have access to the new ones.
In '96 LR Mayfair was turning Discos out faster than they could get them. As best I can recall, the Camel Trophy didn't have many Mayfair stages.
Yes i know that, but at the same time they were still rugged and simple enough to fulfill their purpose of a family SUV that could be taken into the wild. There's nothing remotely rugged looking about the new one. Sure, It's probably very capable of maintaining traction on a slippery surface due to sophisticated systems, but show it something requiring a decent approach or breakover angle, or a proper suspension articulation (independent suspension can not match a beam for this, despite whatever some people may claim), and it'll soon get damaged. And how well do you think the electronics and pale leather will stand up to wet or muddy conditions? Any chance of off road bumpers and under-guards available to fit it?Couple of other points, I'll wager this one can do anything you've done, or will do, in your D2. If it's anything like the D3 / D4 it'll be very, very capable.
I don't know if you're too young to recall, but older Discos were just as popular with the yummy mums in the 90's when they were new - they've always been used exactly as the flashier, newer ones are today. The only thing that's changed is the old ones got old, and more people have access to the new ones.
In '96 LR Mayfair was turning Discos out faster than they could get them. As best I can recall, the Camel Trophy didn't have many Mayfair stages.
How well do you think it could be repaired Bush-style to get you home from somewhere remote?
I know I'm biased but I honestly believe the D2 will be the best Land Rover ever made. It was the tipping point. Just right the balance of technology and simplicity. I'd wager that in 20 years there will be one of those companies that brings out a refreshed version of the D2, in the same way people are doing with MGBs, Jensens and older Defenders. Same chassis and body but perfected. All the creases ironed out, better more modern electrics, galv'd chassis etc.
Pale leather is fine with mud. It cleans easily. Not sure what difference it makes - my D2 had light leather. If you don't want it I'm sure you'll be able to spec cloth just as you could with the D3 and D4. Similarly, if you wanted aftermarket bumpers, they were available for the D3 & D4 too. If the market demands them for the new one, they'll no doubt be available.
I do concede that there's too much fixing by laptop these days. I'll be more comfortable with this when they drag their reliability record out of the gutter, but if I wanted seriously rugged I'd be going for a Jeep anyway. As it stands, I'd rather like another LR in my life.
Edited by Stu R on Tuesday 15th April 17:38
Snowboy said:
I sort of agree.
I think LR could easily release two models.
One with full off road capability and one more geared to road use.
I have a Disco 3 because I want the huge load bay.
I want a big engine to pull the full load.
I want 4x4 and ground clearance forfor those snow covered roads and deep muddy field.
I imagine that, like the RR Sport HSE, they could offer the high/low transfer box as an option for those that want heavy duty towing capability and that plus a full on/off road pack for all the advanced off roading features. I think LR could easily release two models.
One with full off road capability and one more geared to road use.
I have a Disco 3 because I want the huge load bay.
I want a big engine to pull the full load.
I want 4x4 and ground clearance forfor those snow covered roads and deep muddy field.
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