RE: Impreza STI vs Evo V: Foes Reunited
Discussion
had lots of paperwork from some bloke called John Kirkham ages ago on these evo models (think it was the 6) in Japan they had a variant called the 'zero fighter' boost turned up to ludicrous levels, suspension mods et al...back in 99 all I wished for was a Ralliart 6 in that flat blue colour, reams blue? cant believe the weight of the featured WRX that's a light car.
Loving all these STi and Evo pieces around the web lately 
I grew up I'm the 90's lusting after both these cars! I always preferred the Impreza (and still do) thanks to the scoop, that blue and gold combo and THAT burble!!! One of my favourite sounds, it could be an awful car but when it makes that noise I don't think I'd care if it was. The fact it's a great car is a bonus
. I was also a big Colin McRae fan so that helped a lot and as odd as it sounds the first McRae Rally game on the PS1 also steered my preference. Just as GT made us all love the Skyline. Big fan of Richard Burns too.
Now, years later I finally have one!!! Only been for a few months but it hasn't disappointed. Seems to get even better the longer I've owned it and as I've become more confident in it. Only problem is, is that it's a Newage. Still love it, but the one I really want is a classic Type R - 2 doors and that classic 90's shape. But with it being Import I can't afford the insurance (I can barely afford it on my uk newage) and the age is a slight worry with it being harder to find rust free ones so the Blob will do for now
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Saying all that though, I definitely would not say no to a Evo VI (or V, XIII or IX for that matter). I absolutely love them too and would like to experience for myself that extra "driver satisfaction" the vast majority agree it provides over the Impreza. I like the fact they are more rare too. Fully intend to own one some day in the future.
I grew up I'm the 90's lusting after both these cars! I always preferred the Impreza (and still do) thanks to the scoop, that blue and gold combo and THAT burble!!! One of my favourite sounds, it could be an awful car but when it makes that noise I don't think I'd care if it was. The fact it's a great car is a bonus
. I was also a big Colin McRae fan so that helped a lot and as odd as it sounds the first McRae Rally game on the PS1 also steered my preference. Just as GT made us all love the Skyline. Big fan of Richard Burns too.Now, years later I finally have one!!! Only been for a few months but it hasn't disappointed. Seems to get even better the longer I've owned it and as I've become more confident in it. Only problem is, is that it's a Newage. Still love it, but the one I really want is a classic Type R - 2 doors and that classic 90's shape. But with it being Import I can't afford the insurance (I can barely afford it on my uk newage) and the age is a slight worry with it being harder to find rust free ones so the Blob will do for now
. Saying all that though, I definitely would not say no to a Evo VI (or V, XIII or IX for that matter). I absolutely love them too and would like to experience for myself that extra "driver satisfaction" the vast majority agree it provides over the Impreza. I like the fact they are more rare too. Fully intend to own one some day in the future.
evoivboy said:
DanielSan said:
So how expensive are Evo's to run if you're doing around 9-10k a year?
Two services a year @ £400 each(£600 for 18k service) 4-15 mpg £270 road taxGroup 20 insurance, two sets of tyres@ £600+
The big issue with 5 and 6 models is rot. And there is the issue of the ayc pump ticking bomb.
But yes they are expensive beasts to keep fettled.
I admired these rally kings when I was growing up. They commanded immense road presence being such devastatingly fast road cars and supercar killers back then and still impressively fast today over 10 years on. Historically the Evolutions always had that slight performance edge over the STIs.
Those were the days. Today it's undignified mopeds.
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Those were the days. Today it's undignified mopeds.
Close gear ratios and quick gear changes help the performance too.
This is a great article. Not for comparing the two cars, but for reminding us how the scene was back in 1998.
I can recall when these cars were - to the majority of us - just a myth. "A Mitsubishi or Subaru doing 0-60 under 5 seconds, which you could import from Japan if you wanted". I seemed like a fantasy. It seemed hard to believe, when an E36 M3 was insanely fast with 321bhp and managing to hit 60 in around 5.3 seconds.
It seemed to be years before you could officially buy one, and even then it was in limited numbers. How baffling, in hindsight, given how attached to these things we are now.
It's also curious to see how things have changed. How bonkers fast and unavailable they were back then. Now you can have your pick of 280bhp Imprezas from well under £5k.
But, back in 1998, an e36 M3 EVO was fast, an e39 M5 even faster. Apart from the relatively unknown Impreza turbo 2000, we also had the Mitsubishi GTO, a 280bhp failure of a car, and we just didn't really believe in Japanese performance cars. Not really.
This is a great article. Not for comparing the two cars, but for reminding us how the scene was back in 1998.
I can recall when these cars were - to the majority of us - just a myth. "A Mitsubishi or Subaru doing 0-60 under 5 seconds, which you could import from Japan if you wanted". I seemed like a fantasy. It seemed hard to believe, when an E36 M3 was insanely fast with 321bhp and managing to hit 60 in around 5.3 seconds.
It seemed to be years before you could officially buy one, and even then it was in limited numbers. How baffling, in hindsight, given how attached to these things we are now.
It's also curious to see how things have changed. How bonkers fast and unavailable they were back then. Now you can have your pick of 280bhp Imprezas from well under £5k.
But, back in 1998, an e36 M3 EVO was fast, an e39 M5 even faster. Apart from the relatively unknown Impreza turbo 2000, we also had the Mitsubishi GTO, a 280bhp failure of a car, and we just didn't really believe in Japanese performance cars. Not really.
I have a lot of respect for the Evo and a tuned Evo 8 on a track is still the fastest car I've ever been in. The equivalent EVO always seemed to win against the STi the only real downsides seem to be a less characterful engine and interior? The EVO 5 looks the most 'hardcore' of all the EVO models to me with it's WRC like big wing and fog lamps. I think the later Tommi Makkinen edition looks eye-catching if a bit OTT for some.
That AYC always seemed to make the difference in every test as the Sti seemed to understeer more into turns.
I was surprised to learn that every Sti and EVO model has a 50/50 power distribution front to rear even the DCCD/S-AYC ones. I guess it's the locking diffs that makes these cars have better handling than most.
That AYC always seemed to make the difference in every test as the Sti seemed to understeer more into turns.
I was surprised to learn that every Sti and EVO model has a 50/50 power distribution front to rear even the DCCD/S-AYC ones. I guess it's the locking diffs that makes these cars have better handling than most.
iloveboost said:
I have a lot of respect for the Evo and a tuned Evo 8 on a track is still the fastest car I've ever been in. The equivalent EVO always seemed to win against the STi the only real downsides seem to be a less characterful engine and interior? The EVO 5 looks the most 'hardcore' of all the EVO models to me with it's WRC like big wing and fog lamps. I think the later Tommi Makkinen edition looks eye-catching if a bit OTT for some.
That AYC always seemed to make the difference in every test as the Sti seemed to understeer more into turns.
I was surprised to learn that every Sti and EVO model has a 50/50 power distribution front to rear even the DCCD/S-AYC ones. I guess it's the locking diffs that makes these cars have better handling than most.
Many don't have 50/50 but it can adopt that upon conditions. The DCCD can add more slip on the centre diff to push more torque to the rear but it'll only happen when needed or forced to lock.That AYC always seemed to make the difference in every test as the Sti seemed to understeer more into turns.
I was surprised to learn that every Sti and EVO model has a 50/50 power distribution front to rear even the DCCD/S-AYC ones. I guess it's the locking diffs that makes these cars have better handling than most.
dufunk said:
God you can't beat the 90's, pity the ST205 GT4 wasnt given another enhancement around 98 a bigger turbo the 3sgte derserved as the handling was definetly up to these too imo.
They did the ST225 Caldina in Japan. Looks like an Avensis estate.
Would still take a ST205 above any other Jap rally rep.
rhinochopig said:
Grp 20 is misleading. Insurance is pretty reasonable even with mods. And the service costs vary where you go. My insurance has been a pittance as has servicing relatively speaking. Cost me a bomb to get, and keep, right however.
The big issue with 5 and 6 models is rot. And there is the issue of the ayc pump ticking bomb.
But yes they are expensive beasts to keep fettled.
They're cheaper to insure than my S2000 anyway. It's definitely an itch that needs to be scratched. Think another 12 months with the Honda and it'll be time to scratch. The big issue with 5 and 6 models is rot. And there is the issue of the ayc pump ticking bomb.
But yes they are expensive beasts to keep fettled.
iloveboost said:
I was surprised to learn that every Sti and EVO model has a 50/50 power distribution front to rear even the DCCD/S-AYC ones. I guess it's the locking diffs that makes these cars have better handling than most.
Most of the DCCD Imprezas are 64:36 rear biased when the cetnre diff is open, though that varied with some of the newage cars. They're much pointier than the 50:50 Subarus, understeer is not an issue!Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff