RE: Volkswagen Golf R 400
Discussion
aeropilot said:
Err..........what LSD?
The M235 doesn't have a LSD, and it isn't a factory available option either.
There will be a dealer fit LSD option available soon (it was reported to be due out in April so could be available now as a dealer fit accessory)
It's right in the SA article.The M235 doesn't have a LSD, and it isn't a factory available option either.
There will be a dealer fit LSD option available soon (it was reported to be due out in April so could be available now as a dealer fit accessory)
aeropilot said:
Johnnytheboy said:
In my current car I can't say I've ever got near the limits of adhesion. But I've frequently used all its power.
This is why the R400 would a perfect car for me.
This is a perfect response to why I wish manufacturers didn't make awd cars, and awd 'performance' cars.This is why the R400 would a perfect car for me.
Johnnytheboy said:
It seems to boil down to lots of power vs. handling finesse.
I'm happy to acknowledge that a RWD/RWD-bias would be an advantage on track, but I am not buying a car to go on a track. In my current car I can't say I've ever got near the limits of adhesion. But I've frequently used all its power.
This is why the R400 would a perfect car for me.
Happily, you don't need to be going at warp speed / have 300BHP to appreciate a good chassis / handling (whatever your preference is). I'm happy to acknowledge that a RWD/RWD-bias would be an advantage on track, but I am not buying a car to go on a track. In my current car I can't say I've ever got near the limits of adhesion. But I've frequently used all its power.
This is why the R400 would a perfect car for me.
What I'm trying to impress is that perhaps both characteristics could exist in the same or indeed different cars.
Just because I don't appreciate or need something (rwd or lashings of bhp, for example) is not the same as thinking people that do shouldn't be catered for. We're just different.
Just because I don't appreciate or need something (rwd or lashings of bhp, for example) is not the same as thinking people that do shouldn't be catered for. We're just different.
Johnnytheboy said:
What I'm trying to impress is that perhaps both characteristics could exist in the same or indeed different cars.
Just because I don't appreciate or need something (rwd or lashings of bhp, for example) is not the same as thinking people that do shouldn't be catered for. We're just different.
You're never going to convince somebody who can't agree to disagree. Save your fingertips and move on with your life.Just because I don't appreciate or need something (rwd or lashings of bhp, for example) is not the same as thinking people that do shouldn't be catered for. We're just different.
I test drove two cars back to back this weekend. Both 140-170bhp; one RWD, the other FWD.
The Golf, to my mind, handled better than the 1 series (which was a bit jittery at speed). I love RWD cars, but they are not all born equal (and neither are FWD or AWD cars). The Golf would be more fun on a B road, in my view.
Neither handled as well as the Mazda 3 (also FWD, of course) which is about 8k cheaper than both because it hasn't got a fancy badge. That's the reality of car purchases in this country!
The Golf, to my mind, handled better than the 1 series (which was a bit jittery at speed). I love RWD cars, but they are not all born equal (and neither are FWD or AWD cars). The Golf would be more fun on a B road, in my view.
Neither handled as well as the Mazda 3 (also FWD, of course) which is about 8k cheaper than both because it hasn't got a fancy badge. That's the reality of car purchases in this country!
ORD said:
Neither handled as well as the Mazda 3 (also FWD, of course) which is about 8k cheaper than both because it hasn't got a fancy badge. That's the reality of car purchases in this country!
Is almost take the Mazda on looks alone, shame the hot one isn't around yet, no doubt it would be a corker. Also I think what everyone's missing here is that if you cut/extended a P1 to the size of a Golf, it would handle better.
Speed_Demon said:
ORD said:
Neither handled as well as the Mazda 3 (also FWD, of course) which is about 8k cheaper than both because it hasn't got a fancy badge. That's the reality of car purchases in this country!
Is almost take the Mazda on looks alone, shame the hot one isn't around yet, no doubt it would be a corker. Also I think what everyone's missing here is that if you cut/extended a P1 to the size of a Golf, it would handle better.
Johnnytheboy said:
aeropilot said:
Johnnytheboy said:
In my current car I can't say I've ever got near the limits of adhesion. But I've frequently used all its power.
This is why the R400 would a perfect car for me.
This is a perfect response to why I wish manufacturers didn't make awd cars, and awd 'performance' cars.This is why the R400 would a perfect car for me.
Johnnytheboy said:
What I'm trying to impress is that perhaps both characteristics could exist in the same or indeed different cars.
Just because I don't appreciate or need something (rwd or lashings of bhp, for example) is not the same as thinking people that do shouldn't be catered for. We're just different.
Oh, I fully agree & wouldn't want all cars to be the same or people to be deprived of choice. I like quirky and unusual cars too so the more choice, the better. Just because I don't appreciate or need something (rwd or lashings of bhp, for example) is not the same as thinking people that do shouldn't be catered for. We're just different.
aeropilot said:
Johnnytheboy said:
aeropilot said:
Johnnytheboy said:
In my current car I can't say I've ever got near the limits of adhesion. But I've frequently used all its power.
This is why the R400 would a perfect car for me.
This is a perfect response to why I wish manufacturers didn't make awd cars, and awd 'performance' cars.This is why the R400 would a perfect car for me.
There's a difference between not liking a type of car and wishing that manufacturers didn't make that. I don't wish manufacturers didn't make anything, I just don't buy the cars I don't personally like. I wouldn't personally be pompous enough to deny others the desire to buy the cars they desired.
scherzkeks said:
… he was heard to shout over the metallic roar of the 170 mighty horses propelling his "Sport Saloon" at moderate speed from the Tesco car park 
1) I don't shop in Tesco. EVER.2) It handles like a sports saloon and it goes like one too. 100bhp/ton (which it exceeds slightly) is generally accepted to result in a quick car. It's slow to 25, 30mph or so but in-gear acceleration is much stronger than I think you'd expect. The way I can and do on a daily basis hurl the thing round some of the most nightmarishly challenging B-roads in the country shows that there's a thoroughly decent chassis under it.
Now, I can't exactly say it's my pride and joy at the moment, it's being a thorough pain in the arse and has cost me more than it's worth in repair bills recently - but having had some camshaft sensor replaced and the crankcase breather unblocked, the responsiveness and power of the engine has really improved. It had definitely lost a fair few horses. The next thing is going to have to be a big cosmetic job, likely a full respray... not for a while yet...
BAHN-STORMA said:
'Funnily enough' - ?? Don't change the subject - your ramblings with your 'son' are irrelevant. Soooo... No envy and no desire to own a Golf... And yet you still feel the need to troll this thread... Like I said, you clearly have nothing better to do.
Not changing the subject at all. Why the quotation marks on son? I'm not trolling, I'm putting across a well-founded argument based on engineering principles and the laws of physics.ORD said:
I test drove two cars back to back this weekend. Both 140-170bhp; one RWD, the other FWD.
The Golf, to my mind, handled better than the 1 series (which was a bit jittery at speed). I love RWD cars, but they are not all born equal (and neither are FWD or AWD cars). The Golf would be more fun on a B road, in my view.
Neither handled as well as the Mazda 3 (also FWD, of course) which is about 8k cheaper than both because it hasn't got a fancy badge. That's the reality of car purchases in this country!
It wouldn't surprise me about the 3. FWD chassis have gotten quite good.The Golf, to my mind, handled better than the 1 series (which was a bit jittery at speed). I love RWD cars, but they are not all born equal (and neither are FWD or AWD cars). The Golf would be more fun on a B road, in my view.
Neither handled as well as the Mazda 3 (also FWD, of course) which is about 8k cheaper than both because it hasn't got a fancy badge. That's the reality of car purchases in this country!
And you are right that not all RWDers are born equal. Not many modern ones interest me, but I'd love to find an old "clown shoe" M-Coupe in mint condition. Driven with sympathy for it's traction issues, it is damn good, and one of my favorite small performance cars.
scherzkeks said:
ORD said:
I test drove two cars back to back this weekend. Both 140-170bhp; one RWD, the other FWD.
The Golf, to my mind, handled better than the 1 series (which was a bit jittery at speed). I love RWD cars, but they are not all born equal (and neither are FWD or AWD cars). The Golf would be more fun on a B road, in my view.
Neither handled as well as the Mazda 3 (also FWD, of course) which is about 8k cheaper than both because it hasn't got a fancy badge. That's the reality of car purchases in this country!
It wouldn't surprise me about the 3. FWD chassis have gotten quite good.The Golf, to my mind, handled better than the 1 series (which was a bit jittery at speed). I love RWD cars, but they are not all born equal (and neither are FWD or AWD cars). The Golf would be more fun on a B road, in my view.
Neither handled as well as the Mazda 3 (also FWD, of course) which is about 8k cheaper than both because it hasn't got a fancy badge. That's the reality of car purchases in this country!
And you are right that not all RWDers are born equal. Not many modern ones interest me, but I'd love to find an old "clown shoe" M-Coupe in mint condition. Driven with sympathy for it's traction issues, it is damn good, and one of my favorite small performance cars.
BMW should really do more about weight. It hardly fits with the "driver's car" nonsense to be producing cars that are so much heavier than their competitors.
It is pretty sad to think that there are modern BMWs with about 80bhp per ton - the same as a Ford Focus from when I were a lad.
What I meant is that we're all talking about cars on the Internet. - I'm pretty sure that all of us could find "better" things to do.
Johnnytheboy said:
There's a difference between not liking a type of car and wishing that manufacturers didn't make that. I don't wish manufacturers didn't make anything, I just don't buy the cars I don't personally like. I wouldn't personally be pompous enough to deny others the desire to buy the cars they desired.
This sums it up for me.Why do people feel the need to bash (on & on & on.....)cars they claim they don't like and no desire to buy, and also claim they wish manufacturers woudn't make them, when in reality, its got sod all to do with them what manufacturers make or don't make!!!!
Nothing wrong with saying you don't like something, but some of the lengths some folk will go to, to ram home the point is just childish!!
We hear you, you don't like FWD, Haldex, whatever!! Guess what, here's a revelation for you, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY ONE!!!!
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