RE: Volkswagen Golf R 400

[Theadamh1234]

It has a manual gearbox!

Edited by Theadamh1234 on Saturday 19th April 14:14

[NXXN]

Theadamh1234 said:

It has a manual gearbox!

Edited by Theadamh1234 on Saturday 19th April 14:14

I don't think the DSG in the Golf can handle more than 350nm of torque.
Unless they use the 7-spd version from the TT RS.

[Crafty_]

imho thats what the Golf R should look like anyway.

Wheels look naff though.

[Ali_T]

swimd said:

8. Flared wings are a tribute to the legendary Rallye Golf G60 (from 1988, motorsport homologation model).

Eh? That had boxed arches like the ur quattro



And a distinct lack of hideous yellow lines!

[b0rk]

swimd said:

new pictures and specs:

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/04/19/volkswagen-golf...

Doesn't look particularly concept tbh, rear seats, standard interior trim, thinly disguised production preview? So Paris or Geneva for the production model

[GTRene]

NXXN said:

Theadamh1234 said:

It has a manual gearbox!

Edited by Theadamh1234 on Saturday 19th April 14:14

I don't think the DSG in the Golf can handle more than 350nm of torque.
Unless they use the 7-spd version from the TT RS.

In some German article they speak about 4-motion and 6 speed DSG

[GTRene]

also that those pipes are 11cm across each?

Edited by GTRene on Sunday 20th April 13:49

[Crafty_]

Ah, but there are only two, so thats ok

[zeduffman]

So much want! Tone down the tail pipes and I'll take one.

[GTRene]

it is a bit strange picture from the show, here you can see it in a bette way, I think they look just fine those exhausts, not too big.

[KennyGT]

Looks great IMO, not too OTT like the Astra thing that was talked about a couple of weeks or ago and looks much better than the A class AMG. It will not make production though.....

[GTRene]

probably not, although in some German article they talked about a limited run...
so a few people could be lucky ;-)

[ToothbrushMan]

400 is not enough is it......wheres the full fat beyond the scale 500bhp version with a button that switches maps to 600bhp when youre feeling that the lower setting isnt quite doing it for you?

[EricE]

And as expected they will build it. This is the rumored "Golf R Evo". I am sure the price will be completely bonkers and well into Cayman territory.

caranddriver said:

It’s going to be built, the confirmation of which we received directly from VW research and development chief Heinz-Jakob Neusser.

source

That article also mentions a manual instead of the DSG.
And what’s more is this:

caranddriver said:

We also learned that the engine hasn’t been changed much from the version rated at 290 horsepower in the U.S.-spec Golf R, having only received mild revisions in the interest of withstanding more boost. The basic engine architecture hasn’t been altered. “We haven’t reverted to cast iron and made it into an EA113 again. The EA888 can handle it,” another VW executive told us.

So I think every "reasonable" person is supposed to buy a regular Golf R instead and chip it for a nice extra 100 hp?

Edited by EricE on Monday 21st April 15:45

[anonymous-user]

i imagine a bigger turbo as well as other parts maybe all forged internals, but the engine block is the same.

[ecs0set]

kambites said:

Like this terrible understeery pig you mean?

Not withstanding the reports that Haldex 5 is reportedly much better than previous iterations, am I still correct in thinking that Hadex can transmit UP TO 50% of power? So in the Aventador, it can throw UP TO 50% of the torque to the front (or alternatively over 50% at the back) where the Golf can throw UP TO 50% of the torque to the back (or alternatively over 50% at the front).

If so, not really comparing apples with apples?

Edited to add, I mean %age of torque without wheelspin!

Edited by ecs0set on Tuesday 22 April 07:19

Edited by ecs0set on Tuesday 22 April 07:19

[EricE]

ecs0set said:

Not withstanding the reports that Haldex 5 is reportedly much better than previous iterations, am I still correct in thinking that Hadex can transmit UP TO 50% of power? So in the Aventador, it can throw UP TO 50% of the torque to the front (or alternatively over 50% at the back) where the Golf can throw UP TO 50% of the torque to the back (or alternatively over 50% at the front).

If so, not really comparing apples with apples?

That is also my understanding. The Haldex system usually connects the engine to the axle close to it and uses a clutch to send some power to the axle thats further away from the engine.
A notable exception is the M135i x-Drive which has a FR layout but sends the power to the rear wheel and uses the clutch to send torque to the front wheels when needed.

That is what I would like to see in the Golf R, but it would probably require the engine to be mounted longitudinally which is going to happen in the Golf platform.

[aeropilot]

EricE said:

That is also my understanding. The Haldex system usually connects the engine to the axle close to it and uses a clutch to send some power to the axle thats further away from the engine.
A notable exception is the M135i x-Drive which has a FR layout but sends the power to the rear wheel and uses the clutch to send torque to the front wheels when needed.

??

X-Drive in the M135 (or any other BMW) isn't Haldex, and in the M135x-drive is a permanent 40:60 F;R split (with additional F:R as needed IIRC)

[EricE]

aeropilot said:

X-Drive in the M135 (or any other BMW) isn't Haldex, and in the M135x-drive is a permanent 40:60 F;R split (with additional F:R as needed IIRC)

Looks like you are right, it isn’t Haldex. I couldn’t find a source about the permanent 40:60 split, but I recall reading it is 100% RWD above speeds of 140 km/h or so. Either way it is far superior to the Golf R’s AWD implementation.

[marctwo]

kambites said:

Like this terrible understeery pig you mean?

and this one...