RE: Volkswagen Golf R 400
Discussion
ecs0set said:
Not withstanding the reports that Haldex 5 is reportedly much better than previous iterations, am I still correct in thinking that Hadex can transmit UP TO 50% of power? So in the Aventador, it can throw UP TO 50% of the torque to the front (or alternatively over 50% at the back) where the Golf can throw UP TO 50% of the torque to the back (or alternatively over 50% at the front).
If so, not really comparing apples with apples?
Edited to add, I mean %age of torque without wheelspin!
That's strange, I read that it is much slower to react due to the removal of the oil pressure accumulator as a cost/weight saving measure.If so, not really comparing apples with apples?
Edited to add, I mean %age of torque without wheelspin!
400bhp, the power output of a V8 Ferrari only a decade ago, now available in a hatchback. And a Golf too, who'd have guessed it would be VW rather than Audi/Mercedes/BMW to be the first to do it. If it builds upon the success of the Golf R then this could be a real cracker.
Lemon yellow detailing on a white car though? Yuck! Should have unveiled it in dark grey or black.
Lemon yellow detailing on a white car though? Yuck! Should have unveiled it in dark grey or black.
How the f
k is this dull. I really don't know what some of you twits here on PH are on. I for one are glad we still get cars like this in this tree hugger society. After all people like yourself would probably never buy it no matter what. Always the type that would go buy used or if you bought new, would go and buy some farting diesel rep mobile.
k is this dull. I really don't know what some of you twits here on PH are on. I for one are glad we still get cars like this in this tree hugger society. After all people like yourself would probably never buy it no matter what. Always the type that would go buy used or if you bought new, would go and buy some farting diesel rep mobile.RoverP6B said:
Dull dull dull dull dull. Haldex AWD, 4-banger turbo engine, lots of mid-range torque I'm sure... yawn... if this is what passes for a driver's car today, I don't want to know.
Escort Si-130 said:
How the fk is this dull. I really don't know what some of you twits here on PH are on. I for one are glad we still get cars like this in this tree hugger society. After all people like yourself would probably never buy it no matter what. Always the type that would go buy used or if you bought new, would go and buy some farting diesel rep mobile.
k is this dull. I really don't know what some of you twits here on PH are on. I for one are glad we still get cars like this in this tree hugger society. After all people like yourself would probably never buy it no matter what. Always the type that would go buy used or if you bought new, would go and buy some farting diesel rep mobile.RoverP6B said:
Dull dull dull dull dull. Haldex AWD, 4-banger turbo engine, lots of mid-range torque I'm sure... yawn... if this is what passes for a driver's car today, I don't want to know.
+1If a 400PS 4wd Hatch is what passes as dull.......
Escort Si-130 said:
How the fk is this dull. I really don't know what some of you twits here on PH are on. I for one are glad we still get cars like this in this tree hugger society. After all people like yourself would probably never buy it no matter what. Always the type that would go buy used or if you bought new, would go and buy some farting diesel rep mobile.
He must be a driving god k is this dull. I really don't know what some of you twits here on PH are on. I for one are glad we still get cars like this in this tree hugger society. After all people like yourself would probably never buy it no matter what. Always the type that would go buy used or if you bought new, would go and buy some farting diesel rep mobile.RoverP6B said:
Dull dull dull dull dull. Haldex AWD, 4-banger turbo engine, lots of mid-range torque I'm sure... yawn... if this is what passes for a driver's car today, I don't want to know.
400 bhp is nice.
Trouble is, Haldex is absolutely crap on track.
It can't shuffle power quickly enough and feels artificial.
A Golf GTI with a proper diff and good rubber is a much better proposition or go RWD!
Just look at the Cupra R v Golf R.....says it all really.
Quattro's tend to understeer and if you want a proper 4WD system look to a GTR or Evo.
It maybe ok in wet conditions for the average driver but for purists or track petrolheads the Haldex system will feel slow witted, dull and will add weight!
Trouble is, Haldex is absolutely crap on track.
It can't shuffle power quickly enough and feels artificial.
A Golf GTI with a proper diff and good rubber is a much better proposition or go RWD!
Just look at the Cupra R v Golf R.....says it all really.
Quattro's tend to understeer and if you want a proper 4WD system look to a GTR or Evo.
It maybe ok in wet conditions for the average driver but for purists or track petrolheads the Haldex system will feel slow witted, dull and will add weight!
Edited by Msportman on Tuesday 22 April 11:36
Edited by Msportman on Tuesday 22 April 11:37
Msportman said:
400 bhp is nice.
Trouble is, Haldex is absolutely crap on track.
It can't shuffle power quickly enough and feels artificial.
A Golf GTI with a proper diff and good rubber is a much better proposition or go RWD!
Just look at the Cupra R v Golf R.....says it all really.
Quattro's tend to understeer and if you want a proper 4WD system look to a GTR or Evo.
It maybe ok in wet conditions for the average driver but for purists or track petrolheads the Haldex system will feel slow witted, dull and will add weight!
It is not for the track is it Trouble is, Haldex is absolutely crap on track.
It can't shuffle power quickly enough and feels artificial.
A Golf GTI with a proper diff and good rubber is a much better proposition or go RWD!
Just look at the Cupra R v Golf R.....says it all really.
Quattro's tend to understeer and if you want a proper 4WD system look to a GTR or Evo.
It maybe ok in wet conditions for the average driver but for purists or track petrolheads the Haldex system will feel slow witted, dull and will add weight!
Edited by Msportman on Tuesday 22 April 11:36
Edited by Msportman on Tuesday 22 April 11:37
I honestly think a £2k Clio 172 Cup would be more fun to drive than this
It will be very very quick in a straight line and grip well but for me Haldex VAG cars lack that special feeling behind the wheel and sense of hooliganism a hot hatch should have they are just a blunt a - b object. Would rather have a FWD Golf GTI with the PP back at nearly 1/2 the cost if did have to fwd as on track suspect it would be a better option anyway as the system tends to come undone a bit as it attempts to shift power a bit and feels all a computerised and not natural.
It will be very very quick in a straight line and grip well but for me Haldex VAG cars lack that special feeling behind the wheel and sense of hooliganism a hot hatch should have they are just a blunt a - b object. Would rather have a FWD Golf GTI with the PP back at nearly 1/2 the cost if did have to fwd as on track suspect it would be a better option anyway as the system tends to come undone a bit as it attempts to shift power a bit and feels all a computerised and not natural.
Escort Si-130 said:
How the fk is this dull. I really don't know what some of you twits here on PH are on. I for one are glad we still get cars like this in this tree hugger society. After all people like yourself would probably never buy it no matter what. Always the type that would go buy used or if you bought new, would go and buy some farting diesel rep mobile.
Four cylinder turbo engines are really dull - nothing happens at low revs, then the turbo kicks in and you have a fairly mighty mid-range, but they really tail off towards the top, and the whole time they just make a completely ordinary uncultured drone. An updated VR6 would be far more interesting, but unlikely to happen for emissions reasons I guess. Haldex AWD is front-wheel-drive 95% of the time and only begins to shove power rearwards as understeer sets in - it's a thoroughly half-arsed way of doing things. I wouldn't buy a diesel either, but, for this sort of money, it's reasonable to demand a 6-cylinder engine and RWD or proper Torsen 4WD. I don't see this taking many sales off the M135i - and I reckon BMW will come back by dropping the twin-turbo version of that engine into the 1er. In the meantime, I dare say the tuners will happily remap the 1er to develop more boost. Oh, and you can bet your bottom $1 that it'll be DSG only when it hits showrooms - and, as we know, DSGs break ALL THE TIME.k is this dull. I really don't know what some of you twits here on PH are on. I for one are glad we still get cars like this in this tree hugger society. After all people like yourself would probably never buy it no matter what. Always the type that would go buy used or if you bought new, would go and buy some farting diesel rep mobile.As for taking the piss out of my 520i - yeah, it could use more power (I'll be after a 530i next time, though probably not a 540i, as nice as another V8 would be), but it's got a really good engine - only 170bhp, but it sounds so so good, it's so smooth (thanks to the inherent balance of the inline six-cylinder layout) and pulls so strongly to the redline that revving it hard is by no means unenjoyable. It's rear-wheel-drive, handles absolutely beautifully for such a big heavy barge, has lovely feelsome steering and it's just a joy to spank down twisty B-roads (which is where I do most of my mileage). It's also a great motorway cruiser - could do with more torque and a sixth gear for economy, but the engine is inaudible at a steady 70-80mph. There is a reason why the E39 is generally regarded as one of the greatest everyman cars of all time.
I could drop in an N55 and 6-speed from a 335i and remap it and I'd have something that would give this Golf a fright in a straight line and handle far better - because a proper RWD chassis with the engine mostly behind the front axle is an inherently better place to start building a high-performance car than a nose-heavy transverse-engined FWD chassis to which is added a part-time AWD system.
If VW really want to impress, they are going to have to come up with something that isn't transverse-engined and which is either RWD or uses proper 4WD as per the Audi S4 etc. Simply doubling the power output of a basic FWD Golf GTI and putting Haldex on it simply isn't good enough. It's not good full stop. It's a completely and utterly half-arsed way of doing it.
Edited by RoverP6B on Tuesday 22 April 12:21
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