Is it time to restrict HGV's to inside lane?

[Fun Bus]

Westy Pre-Lit said:

Fun Bus said:

chilistrucker said:

Westy Pre-Lit said:

Yep, ban the bloody lot of them.

cheers
Thats me out of work then.
i hope you don't like going to many gigs.

I'd be out of work too. I hope you don't like eating

Nope, you'll be driving a right hooker too once I've banned them

I do the office bit of the truck world

[powerstroke]

HD Adam said:

powerstroke said:

HD Adam said:

Chim said:

Or alternatively they could just switch off the restrictors

^^^This^^^

I spend a huge amount amount of time in the USA and the much vaunted Interstate system is pretty much a dual carriageway.

Trucks there are unrestricted and have the power to overtake whatever they want and quite happily roll along at whatever the speed limit is. Mostly 75mph in Texas.
It is super rare to get held up by "elephant racing" anywhere.

In anticipation.......

No, you don't see more accidents
Yes, I have got an HGV license and have driven one over there

Trucks are limited to 56MPH by EU law !!!!!

Er, yes. I know that.

What I'm saying is that it's a stupid law because we have trucks at 56 and cars at 70+

If the trucks could do the same speeds, there would be virtually no hold ups.

We might be OK!! the huge brains in the government are thinking of reducing the motorway limit to 60 on some stretches

[strudel]

citizensm1th said:

well I think its time us truckers stuck to the rules

40mph on single carriage ways from now on then I wonder how many threads there will be by arsehat car drivers who don't realise that's our speed limit.

I did it on the a52 today from Grantham and must have had a half mile queue of traffic behind me by the time I got to Bingham. made I smile it did

Maybe you could stick to that other rule, rule 169

[iva cosworth]

Yawn.

[All that jazz]

keslake said:

Getting on the subject of the 50mph average zones, just how there are not more accidents beggars belief and
surely it would be a much safer option if they were restricted to lane 1 on those stretches?

Get all the car drivers out of lane 1 and we'd like nothing better. That way all you lemmings that drive through the roadworks doing 40mph will be out from under our feet and we'll be able to crack on just fine at the signposted 50mph. The only reason we're in lane 2 is because of cars dawdling along.

[Blakewater]

strudel said:

Maybe you could stick to that other rule, rule 169

He'll spend all his time sat in a layby then. It's fair enough moving over for the odd car, but on a busy A road he'd never get anywhere if he had to keep pulling in and looking for a gap to pull out again.

[mp3manager]

strudel said:

citizensm1th said:

well I think its time us truckers stuck to the rules

40mph on single carriage ways from now on then I wonder how many threads there will be by arsehat car drivers who don't realise that's our speed limit.

I did it on the a52 today from Grantham and must have had a half mile queue of traffic behind me by the time I got to Bingham. made I smile it did

Maybe you could stick to that other rule, rule 169

How can a truck travelling at its maximum permitted speed on an A-road, ever be considered a 'slow-moving vehicle'?

If you can't overtake a truck at 40mph, you must either be a crap driver or driving a crap car.....which is it???

Edited by mp3manager on Friday 18th April 01:50

[b4rk3r]

If you're approaching a HGV that is approaching another HGV can you not predict an overtake shortly?
It doesn't help that we have lorries doing 56 on the inside, cars in the middle doing 65 and the outside lane at 80. That means if a lorry moves to the middle to overtake, then the cars doing 65 will now be doing 65 in the outside lane! Instead of picking up to 85 to get more cars through the one lane.
Most people struggle negotiating a basic hatch around the ring road without jabbing the breaks, and cutting across lanes for no apparent reason.
Have a bit of appreciation for what they are driving, bearing in mind the time it takes for them to get back up to speed after you couldn't be bothered to let them pull out without stopping. 99% of the time they'll notice your courtesy.
I don't have a HGV licence but can see their judgement and planning is of much higher standard then other road users.

[GC8]

keslake said:

Willy Nilly said:

Go and pass your Class 1 and do some lorry driving, then report back.

Your point being?

His point being that most posters are commenting on something that they know next to nothing about and have no experience of.

His point being that most of the posters here would quickly change their opinion and their behaviour if they had to drive an HGV on our roads surrounded by lemming-like car drivers, with many adopting the style of driving criticised here.

A further point, of my own: much of the criticism here seems to be equally as rooted in foolish and misplaced snobbery as it does in ignorance. You are probably no better than the lorry driver who you think is beneath you.

[StuntmanMike]

GC8 said:

keslake said:

Willy Nilly said:

Go and pass your Class 1 and do some lorry driving, then report back.

Your point being?

His point being that most posters are commenting on something that they know next to nothing about and have no experience of.

His point being that most of the posters here would quickly change their opinion and their behaviour if they had to drive an HGV on our roads surrounded by lemming-like car drivers, with many adopting the style of driving criticised here.

A further point, of my own: much of the criticism here seems to be equally as rooted in foolish and misplaced snobbery as it does in ignorance. You are probably no better than the lorry driver who you think is beneath you.

The problem is GC8, speaking as someone that sends every week driving abroad, driving standards seem to drop sharply when back in the UK, over the water cars seem to behave around trucks, here I get genuinely worried about what the lemming's will do next, I lay the blame for this at the 24/7 chase my are off culture the UK has adopted over the last 30 years, rather than general ignorance, but that's only on a good day when I haven't been cut up 50 times a day.

[McWigglebum4th]

Or we could be really radical.

Car drivers


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[StuntmanMike]

McWigglebum4th said:

Or we could be really radical.

Car drivers


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[cossy400]

Ot oh this again.

Anyway to cheer the OP up, looks like the M1 south between 29/28 is goin be shut due to a couple of lorrys crashing in to each other.

The only problem with this De restrictions of the limiter is you d then not only have the aholes that drive erratically, you ve then given them something to drive even faster....

I drive for a living and the mentality of some car drivers.

Im takin one and a half lanes up at a roundabout for a reason, but car driver comes up the outside realises that he carnt get through then we are both fked.

I carnt move because my trailer will catch his car and he carnt reverse due to all the other sheep following him up the side of me.

My opinion for what its worth, if you run in to the back of something and I mean anything car, bus, lorry, you are drivin to close and id ban you from the roads.

The other side to this is we lorryists dont start a thread on here when there has been a couple of cars crashed and held us up.

[chris1roll]

Ref them letting cars past on a roads - the sainsburys trucks manage it on the north devon link. The tescos trucks however, seem completely oblivious to the 2 mile+ (not an exaggeration sadly) queue they create between s molton and tiverton.

Edited by chris1roll on Friday 18th April 07:41

[surveyor]

divetheworld said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzL0Kyk4m-8

This video modified my attitude towards them. I nearly had my PJ squashed by one moving back in to lane 1 on me a couple of weeks ago. I was fuming. That particular driver was an ass, but that doesn't change the fact that we need to understand and drive accordingly.

That video is interesting, but if the truck had been straight hose cyclists would have been in a mirror. Also a car is bigger than a cyclist.

b4rk3r said:

If you're approaching a HGV that is approaching another HGV can you not predict an overtake shortly?
It doesn't help that we have lorries doing 56 on the inside, cars in the middle doing 65 and the outside lane at 80. That means if a lorry moves to the middle to overtake, then the cars doing 65 will now be doing 65 in the outside lane! Instead of picking up to 85 to get more cars through the one lane.
Most people struggle negotiating a basic hatch around the ring road without jabbing the breaks, and cutting across lanes for no apparent reason.
Have a bit of appreciation for what they are driving, bearing in mind the time it takes for them to get back up to speed after you couldn't be bothered to let them pull out without stopping. 99% of the time they'll notice your courtesy.
I don't have a HGV licence but can see their judgement and planning is of much higher standard then other road users.

You often cannot predict a HGV overtake. Where they are not catching each other quickly they can to a fast moving car look like they are quite happy nose to tailing.... It's only when they present their trailer as a target that you realise they are not.

[StuntmanMike]

cossy400 said:

Ot oh this again.

Anyway to cheer the OP up, looks like the M1 south between 29/28 is goin be shut due to a couple of lorrys crashing in to each other.

The only problem with this De restrictions of the limiter is you d then not only have the aholes that drive erratically, you ve then given them something to drive even faster....

I drive for a living and the mentality of some car drivers.

Im takin one and a half lanes up at a roundabout for a reason, but car driver comes up the outside realises that he carnt get through then we are both fked.

I carnt move because my trailer will catch his car and he carnt reverse due to all the other sheep following him up the side of me.

My opinion for what its worth, if you run in to the back of something and I mean anything car, bus, lorry, you are drivin to close and id ban you from the roads.

The other side to this is we lorryists dont start a thread on here when there has been a couple of cars crashed and held us up.

Do you know what, I haven't got the energy, one thing experience has taught me, if you drive a lorry, if you ride a motorbike , that's when you get an idea of what fkwits most car drivers are, when on the motorways in my car I just drive defensively, it's not hard is it.

[StuntmanMike]

surveyor said:

You often cannot predict a HGV overtake. Where they are not catching each other quickly they can to a fast moving car look like they are quite happy nose to tailing.... It's only when they present their trailer as a target that you realise they are not.

Then I would suggest you look at your own behaviour around goods vehicles and have a bit more awareness around them, that would save you posting about it on here every other week.

[Fun Bus]

mp3manager said:

strudel said:

citizensm1th said:

well I think its time us truckers stuck to the rules

40mph on single carriage ways from now on then I wonder how many threads there will be by arsehat car drivers who don't realise that's our speed limit.

I did it on the a52 today from Grantham and must have had a half mile queue of traffic behind me by the time I got to Bingham. made I smile it did

Maybe you could stick to that other rule, rule 169

How can a truck travelling at its maximum permitted speed on an A-road, ever be considered a 'slow-moving vehicle'?

If you can't overtake a truck at 40mph, you must either be a crap driver or driving a crap car.....which is it???

Edited by mp3manager on Friday 18th April 01:50

Overtaking on the stretch of A52 described is hard in any car. The only opportunity you get is a long straight at Bottesford which usually has a steady stream of cars coming in the opposite direction anyway.

[dacouch]

surveyor said:

You often cannot predict a HGV overtake. Where they are not catching each other quickly they can to a fast moving car look like they are quite happy nose to tailing.... It's only when they present their trailer as a target that you realise they are not.

I find it very easy to predict a HGV overtake, if they're very close to the HGV in front and dabbing they're brakes they want to over take.

Solution if you're in lane two and there's no traffic behind you move into the outside lane and flash them out so they can overtake.

Most car drivers don't take into account some will want to overtake and just overtake them in lane two in a mass bloke of traffic so they don't get the chance. Treat them like you should any other vehicle driver. That is to be civil and help out if you can.

[Willy Nilly]

HD Adam said:

Chim said:

Or alternatively they could just switch off the restrictors

^^^This^^^

I spend a huge amount amount of time in the USA and the much vaunted Interstate system is pretty much a dual carriageway.

Trucks there are unrestricted and have the power to overtake whatever they want and quite happily roll along at whatever the speed limit is. Mostly 75mph in Texas.
It is super rare to get held up by "elephant racing" anywhere.

In anticipation.......

No, you don't see more accidents
Yes, I have got an HGV license and have driven one over there

There is quite a bit more space in the US and the roads are quieter. Also their road accidents are quiet a bit worse than ours per billion kilometers traveled. Speed limiters do put everyone on a level playing field here, which takes pressure off the drivers to put the foot down.