should German cars be banned from lane 3??
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Havoc856 said:
Troubleatmill said:
Put your indicator on 5-10 seconds earlier. Problem solved.
The car you over took - knows you are coming in. ( into a nice safe gap )
And so does the car behind you.
Huzzah!!
Try it - post back with your findings.
Edit: If it still happens - indicate another 5-10 seconds earlier . Repeat until it stops happening.
You're very funny. Almost comedic. Believe me i've found that indicators mean nothing to most road users on the M25.. Some even leave them on for hours at a time... The car you over took - knows you are coming in. ( into a nice safe gap )
And so does the car behind you.
Huzzah!!
Try it - post back with your findings.
Edit: If it still happens - indicate another 5-10 seconds earlier . Repeat until it stops happening.
Maybe I could help by giving with some practical lessons.
I'm here all week. Try the veal.
Troubleatmill said:
Just trying to help you fella. It has to be more than a car length if someone can get into lane 2 before you can. ( or a constantly repeatable basis )
Maybe I could help by giving with some practical lessons.
I'm here all week. Try the veal.
I don't really need advice, been driving long enough - but i do enjoy the banter. Maybe I could help by giving with some practical lessons.
I'm here all week. Try the veal.
To cut things down short and sweet, there's no actual rush to pulling in after an overtake. Especially when most are already c.10mph over the limit - i.e 3 pts and £100 fine in real money. It's overly aggressive driving for the sake of it and causes accidents that then suddenly bring the whole network to a halt for the sake of 5-10 seconds extra.
I think we've derailed the thread enough buddy, no more posts from me on this subject. Veal was nice, but overcooked.
piers1 said:
Havoc856 said:
....there's no actual rush to pulling in after an overtake.....
...but there is....hence you being undertaken by faster moving machinery.If every pulled to the left after overtaking, I am convined the motorway network would be completely free moving
Edited by xRIEx on Thursday 17th April 20:48
piers1 said:
Havoc856 said:
....there's no actual rush to pulling in after an overtake.....
...but there is....hence you being undertaken by faster moving machinery.If every pulled to the left after overtaking, I am convined the motorway network would be completely free moving
Lane discipline in this country is s
te.
piers1 said:
...but there is....hence you being undertaken by faster moving machinery.
If every pulled to the left after overtaking, I am convined the motorway network would be completely free moving
You need a parrot If every pulled to the left after overtaking, I am convined the motorway network would be completely free moving
Show me where it says "you must immediately pull back in within XX seconds to L2 after completing your overtake" - It doesn't because that is ridiculous from a road safety point of view. If you abide by the law (within reason) and see a car ahead in L2 that is travelling at a similar speed to the one you've just overtaken and is c.2-3 lengths ahead - there's nothing legally binding you to pull straight in and then out again. Its a road network, not touring cars. I see nothing wrong with going around 80ish in L3, then relinquishing the position in L3 - You've completed your overtake of significantly slower vehicles without any major undue disturbance to traffic flow - less so than weaving about undertaking because you feel that the person in front is a waste of skin and is only going 10mph above the speed limit and either causing or very nearly causing an accident or causing a massive ripple by forcing cars to anchor on hard?
The one time its happened to myself personally there was only just enough for the driver to squeeze through, resulting in a LOT of hornblowing by the L2 occupant. The only other instance of an undertake i've had performed against myself personally was by someone hooning an M3 on the M25 around by the M3 turnoff whereby they came on from an exit, and proceeded to weave through traffic well in excess of the speed limit and if i'd rushed my overtake in L3, i'd have undoubtedly hit him as he weaved through L1 and L2 traffic and appeared totally blindside next to me.
I do agree with you on the latter portion however, far too many people sit in L2 and 3 with no intention of moving to the left until their exit, for which they make a massive dive through the traffic cutting people up. Same as those in L2 doing 50-60... Unless the body of traffic is moving at that speed that's unacceptable.
Trying to get across the point that im not actually disagreeing with you - we just obviously have a slightly different viewpoint on how to drive defensively and how to drive aggressively and where each is appropriate.
Edited by Havoc856 on Thursday 17th April 20:59
MDahmen said:
I have to agree that in the UK it seems that people are in the wrong lane a lot - unnecessarily blocking faster moving traffic - lane discipline in Germany / continental europe seems to be a lot better in my experience.
Spent six years living in Germany - they have a far better understanding on driving as a whole. Hence the higher speed limits - because their drivers tend to have a greater respect for the speeds they can achieve. Not to mention the far more rigorous standards for yearly testing - makes our MOT look a mockery. How about permits for people who've passed advanced driving tests that allows them to drive a certain percentage over the speed limit? If people can prove they have a higher observation, planning and car control ability, why not allow them to go faster than those who aren't able to, or interested in, improve their driving standards beyond basic ability?
xRIEx said:
2-3 lengths? Car lengths?
You do realise a 2 second gap at 70mph is about 12-15 car lengths (62m)?
Yes thanks - Do you want to reel out the stopping distances from your internet pocket guide for the average weight of a motor vehicle with well maintained braking systems, add on the average driver reaction time and work out that even with you picking holes, should the motorist unwilling to wait that duration make a small mistake with his/hers guesstimate on "Can i make that" or decide that those in the other lanes can use their brakes and make the holes appear for them to complete their overtake, then they can cause a very large accident during that actually very small period of time? You do realise a 2 second gap at 70mph is about 12-15 car lengths (62m)?
Sorry Jason Plato. I'll hand my licence in tomorrow first thing.
Driving standards are intrinsically linked to safety - You want to hoon about and undertake people who are getting from A-B safely, get your race licence and sod off to a track. It's a motorway - not a racetrack.
I'd rather wait a total of a few minutes during a journey performing a safe overtake than run the danger of never getting to my destination at all and taking someone else's life with mine.
I'm certainly no BRAKE follower, but if someone seriously injured me and others because they were too much of an asshole to wait 2-4 seconds for me to pull in, i'd expect the book to be thrown at them.
We arent talking MLM or those who travel at 50-60mph in L3 here. I've repeatedly stated 70-80ish. Totally different circumstances.
Agreed with the lights flashing - used europe wide - human nature that some people switch off and cruise in lanes they shouldn't. A gentle flash to welcome their mind back on the game is good - but europeans dont sit 1ft off your rear bumper and do it. I think that's a major factor in road rage here - too aggressive driving coupled with a less focused driver training system.
Edited by Havoc856 on Thursday 17th April 21:13
Havoc856 said:
xRIEx said:
2-3 lengths? Car lengths?
You do realise a 2 second gap at 70mph is about 12-15 car lengths (62m)?
Yes thanks - Do you want to reel out the stopping distances from your internet pocket guide for the average weight of a motor vehicle with well maintained braking systems, add on the average driver reaction time and work out that even with you picking holes, should the motorist unwilling to wait that duration make a small mistake with his/hers guesstimate on "Can i make that" or decide that those in the other lanes can use their brakes and make the holes appear for them to complete their overtake, then they can cause a very large accident during that actually very small period of time? You do realise a 2 second gap at 70mph is about 12-15 car lengths (62m)?
Sorry Jason Plato. I'll hand my licence in tomorrow first thing.
Driving standards are intrinsically linked to safety - You want to hoon about and undertake people who are getting from A-B safely, get your race licence and sod off to a track. It's a motorway - not a racetrack.
I'd rather wait a total of a few minutes during a journey performing a safe overtake than run the danger of never getting to my destination at all and taking someone else's life with mine.
I'm certainly no BRAKE follower, but if someone seriously injured me and others because they were too much of an asshole to wait 2-4 seconds for me to pull in, i'd expect the book to be thrown at them.
We arent talking MLM or those who travel at 50-60mph in L3 here. I've repeatedly stated 70-80ish. Totally different circumstances.
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