RE: Ford Mustang burnout mode

[johntennyson]

I love it! It's so stupid it can't possibly last and somebody's gonna get fired for it and we should then build a statue of him! It's like they forgot that the IIHS* can probably read English and find stuff on the internet.

• Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, an insurance industry research group which commissions studies to generate data used to rationalize jacking up insurance rates.

[PanzerCommander]

speedjockey said:

Thought I remember reading that a live rear axle will be available as an option for those who want a more drag-oriented Mustang?

Like the guy said, it wouldn't really make sense on any other car.

I hope they do because if not it would spell the end of the Cobra Jet Mustang (Simialr to the COPO Camaro and Dragpak Challenger) which is a lot of heritige to bin. I can't find anything concrete on the subject (official press release) just a few articles dated late last year suggesting that thre will be "body in white" (read Cobra Jet) with a 9" axle avaialble - I guess we will have to wait and see if that is the case.

[Chicane-UK]

lamboman100 said:

Can't believe the American carmakers still don't make these and other similar muscle models in RHD for the UK, Japan, HK, India, Oz, NZ, Ireland, SA and elsewhere. At the price, looks, speed and noise they deliver, they would fly off the shelves.

The problem is, UK pricing for these sorts of cars seems to end up very unattractive. As you may or may not know, the 2015 Mustang will be FINALLY sold over here in the UK. I'm willing to bet that the V8 'full fat' Mustang will not exactly be an affordable proposition and will be comparably priced to similarly performing cars.

That certainly won't stop me working out just which organs I can manage without and put up for sale, so I can afford to buy one though..

[aeropilot]

ChemicalChaos said:

Can someone explain please why IRS makes it unsuitable for dragging compared to a beam axle? is it something to do with the torque trying to lift one wheel off the ground and spinning it up?

Torque trying to rip the diff unit out of it's mountings, weak links in the U/J's in the half shafts etc.,etc.

If you ever seen a OEM 'twisted' axle casing and half shafts from lots of dragging you'll understand how an IRS just isn't the right tool for serious drag racing.

[PanzerCommander]

Chicane-UK said:

lamboman100 said:

Can't believe the American carmakers still don't make these and other similar muscle models in RHD for the UK, Japan, HK, India, Oz, NZ, Ireland, SA and elsewhere. At the price, looks, speed and noise they deliver, they would fly off the shelves.

The problem is, UK pricing for these sorts of cars seems to end up very unattractive. As you may or may not know, the 2015 Mustang will be FINALLY sold over here in the UK. I'm willing to bet that the V8 'full fat' Mustang will not exactly be an affordable proposition and will be comparably priced to similarly performing cars.

That certainly won't stop me working out just which organs I can manage without and put up for sale, so I can afford to buy one though..

Quite, back in '06 when my car was bought by its new owner, the exchange rate was $2.1:£1 which meant the O6 GT Premium he purchased cost the princely sum of £15,000.

By the time it was imported, taxes and duties paid, converted to UK lighting specs and registered the final bill was close to £28,0000 (incuding fitting a set of axle back exhausts and lowering springs - now binned for something more practical), less than 3 years later I paid £17,000 for it.

They may look like bargain cars, and in the US that may be true, over here not so much.

Edited by PanzerCommander on Wednesday 23 April 08:55

[powerstroke]

Hopefully they won't make these in RHD
So they stay as an afordable unusual hobby car in the UK, LHD puts off the Joe average buyer and motorist types... Lets hope the mustang and other american cars stay that little bit special..

[powerstroke]

Hopefully they won't make these in RHD
So they stay as an afordable unusual hobby car in the UK, LHD puts off the Joe average buyer and motorist types... Lets hope the mustang and other american cars stay that little bit special..

[The Nur]

I would love one in RHD. Wait a few years until they are cheap affordable, and dump an LS in there

I can feel the hatred already

[adaptive]

lamboman100 said:

They all lack the grin factor of the proper US muscle cars, except some of the mad Japanese stuff.

I guess you haven't driven a Monaro/VXR8 then?

[aww999]

aeropilot said:

ChemicalChaos said:

Can someone explain please why IRS makes it unsuitable for dragging compared to a beam axle? is it something to do with the torque trying to lift one wheel off the ground and spinning it up?

Torque trying to rip the diff unit out of it's mountings, weak links in the U/J's in the half shafts etc.,etc.

If you ever seen a OEM 'twisted' axle casing and half shafts from lots of dragging you'll understand how an IRS just isn't the right tool for serious drag racing.

You can make IRS strong enough for drag racing, but the fundamental problem is a chane in cambe rof the rear wheels as the car squats down at the back. A live axle keeps the tyre surface parallel with the track regardless of suspension loading.

[PanzerCommander]

aeropilot said:

ChemicalChaos said:

Can someone explain please why IRS makes it unsuitable for dragging compared to a beam axle? is it something to do with the torque trying to lift one wheel off the ground and spinning it up?

Torque trying to rip the diff unit out of it's mountings, weak links in the U/J's in the half shafts etc.,etc.

If you ever seen a OEM 'twisted' axle casing and half shafts from lots of dragging you'll understand how an IRS just isn't the right tool for serious drag racing.

Yep, they are far stronger than an IRS setup which is important when you are running drag radials or slicks and or high horsepower applications.

Their inherent simplicity also means they are far easier to setup than a fancy multi-link IRS setup for drag racing applications where most of the "enhanced functionality" of an IRS setup is largely redundant (fixed camber and toe for example).

[rodericb]

adaptive said:

I guess you haven't driven a Monaro/VXR8 then?

Top Gear magazine has and that's enough for one to form an opinion. They really do make the interior plastics out of recycled biscuit trays!

[Superjuiced]

just got back from USA after hiring a new mustang and doing over 1000 miles in it, very disappointing and while it may have a bit if grunt in a straight line it falls woefully short compared to the Europeans. the steering is woeful, gear change is soooo slow, interior quality is shocking, such a shame as I've always loved the mustang on paper.

[radio man]

We'll give you the stuff you need to have fun but if it brakes f##k ##f pay for it yourself.
tight fisted cynical b######s. Why can't they be like Ford UK who sanction Mountune upgrades on ST models and it doesn't void your warranty, after all if you build a car to do certain things and it brakes whilst doing those very things it is built to do why should the owner have to pay?

[PanzerCommander]

Superjuiced said:

just got back from USA after hiring a new mustang and doing over 1000 miles in it, very disappointing and while it may have a bit if grunt in a straight line it falls woefully short compared to the Europeans. the steering is woeful, gear change is soooo slow, interior quality is shocking, such a shame as I've always loved the mustang on paper.

Sounds like you had a V6 which is a $26,100 car - to get the equivalent power (307bhp from the new V6) you would need what? a 335i which has a $43,400 starting price, even the 220i starts at $32,750!

So of course its not going to feel anywhere near as good - its $17,300 cheaper, even a base spec V8 (400hp) comes in at $35,310, or $8,090 less than a base spec 335i which it surpasses in performance and looks 100x better.

radio man said:

We'll give you the stuff you need to have fun but if it brakes f##k ##f pay for it yourself.
tight fisted cynical b######s. Why can't they be like Ford UK who sanction Mountune upgrades on ST models and it doesn't void your warranty, after all if you build a car to do certain things and it brakes whilst doing those very things it is built to do why should the owner have to pay?

Using the line lock doesn't void your warranty, racing the car (i.e. entering it into a licenced competition) does.

[vz-r_dave]

PanzerCommander said:

Superjuiced said:

just got back from USA after hiring a new mustang and doing over 1000 miles in it, very disappointing and while it may have a bit if grunt in a straight line it falls woefully short compared to the Europeans. the steering is woeful, gear change is soooo slow, interior quality is shocking, such a shame as I've always loved the mustang on paper.

Sounds like you had a V6 which is a $26,100 car - to get the equivalent power (307bhp from the new V6) you would need what? a 335i which has a $43,400 starting price, even the 220i starts at $32,750!

So of course its not going to feel anywhere near as good - its $17,300 cheaper, even a base spec V8 (400hp) comes in at $35,310, or $8,090 less than a base spec 335i which it surpasses in performance and looks 100x better.

radio man said:

We'll give you the stuff you need to have fun but if it brakes f##k ##f pay for it yourself.
tight fisted cynical b######s. Why can't they be like Ford UK who sanction Mountune upgrades on ST models and it doesn't void your warranty, after all if you build a car to do certain things and it brakes whilst doing those very things it is built to do why should the owner have to pay?

Using the line lock doesn't void your warranty, racing the car (i.e. entering it into a licenced competition) does.

Dude the ignorance on this site gets worse by the day. Don't feel the need to even discuss these types of moronic comments. Hiring a bog standard Mustang and reviewing against 'The Europeans' is like hiring a bog standard Focus and doing the same against a Mustang GT. A majority of brits have no clue about the US market and hence come out with ste like the above.

[Stu R]

radio man said:

We'll give you the stuff you need to have fun but if it brakes f##k ##f pay for it yourself.
tight fisted cynical b######s. Why can't they be like Ford UK who sanction Mountune upgrades on ST models and it doesn't void your warranty, after all if you build a car to do certain things and it brakes whilst doing those very things it is built to do why should the owner have to pay?

You'd have a point if anything you said wasn't a load of cobblers.

[michaelcolby83]

Looking forward to seeing these on Britain's roads, I think the 2.3 turbo will sell well here.

[Bibbs]

rodericb said:

adaptive said:

I guess you haven't driven a Monaro/VXR8 then?

Top Gear magazine has and that's enough for one to form an opinion. They really do make the interior plastics out of recycled biscuit trays!

I suggest you look in a new Gen-F then if interior plastics are your thing.

My VE has a soft dash and everything.

But I don't really think "trim quality" is high on the priorities of a muscle car.

[ssaf]

FQH said:

AngryPartsBloke said:

Weapon.

Do you even understand the concept of a Line lock?

You cant be serious...

This is nothing but a marketing gimmick to make fat americans feel they have a """"racing"""" tool in their fat production cars.

If you've been to drag strips in the south, you'll know that loads of Mustangs are out each Friday and Saturday night.