RE: The four-cylinder Porsche is back!

[r11co]

smilo996 said:

Alternatively you could spin it another way. It is a facelifted Audi Q5, which of course it is. Same floorpan, same gneins and transmission, same electronics and ancillaries.

Ironic that when FoMoCo did something similair with the Jaguar brand (X-Type/Mondeo) they were slated for it and 'history' has that effort down as one of the '50 worst cars ever', despite it being a unique product and having a class leading BHP/litre level at the time and superb dynamics.

[GTEYE]

This car was always going to happen.

For the UK at least a four cylinder petrol turbo isn't what the market wants, they really want the 4 cylinder diesel.

Note I said what the "market" wants rather than what the "PH" community wants.

I'm sure it will sell elsewhere, but in the UK, this is really a warm-up for the main event which will be the 2.0d.

Which will sell as many as they can ship.

[Kawasicki]

anonymous said:

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Frontal area has a significant impact, especially at motorway speeds. There is no tech fix for increased frontal area.

[P-Jay]

Doesn't / Didn't the Cayenne come with a Golf Engine? Admittedly it was a 6 pot, but still.

Given their tie-up Porsche would be certifiable to design a whole line of engines just to please a few mentalists who won't buy them anyway.

[Tara llems]

Porsche also built a tractor with a three cylinder diesel in the 50's.

Does this mean they did not have the right to make sports cars?

[Freakuk]

I was hoping for more reduction in cost for the 4 pot... Other half wants a new car, loves the Macan when we went to the launch but it'll be towards the end of next year before we change her motor, maybe the 4 pot derv variant will be available then but I'd still be tempted by the V6 if it's only 3K more.

[KFC]

sfboy said:

Brand dilution seems like the order of the day, 'suppose it saved the brand with the introduction of the Boxster and the Cayman back in the day, but surely a step too far? VW accountant say no.

Is it brand dilution though? Or is it these white good cars subsidising the 'real' sports cars they will also build?

I've got a Cayenne.... personally I wouldn't buy a 911 as if I'm going to spend 6 figures on a car I want it to be something more exclusive... not effectively look the same as a £10k boxster to most people.

[ORD]

I love the decision to make the 4-pot barely any cheaper. It means that those buying the car for bling subsidise those who want the better engine because they care about those kind of things.

If Porsche wants to make a 4-cyl Cayman and charge almost the same for it as the flat 6, I will buy the flat 6 and be chuffed as hell that some fools are subsidising my purchase by letting Porsche take its profits from those who dont care about engine type.

[Sampaio]

If you want the small Porsche SUV and don't care about performance the obvious choice would be a 4-cylinder diesel... at least in Europe. When that becomes available the petrol will be rendered useless over here and only sold in the US I suppose

[court]

That engine choice makes a large difference to a user-choosers BIK. Specced to the same price as the V6, a 40% tax payer would take home an extra £100 a month. That's not to be sniffed at.

[KFC]

court said:

That engine choice makes a large difference to a user-choosers BIK. Specced to the same price as the V6, a 40% tax payer would take home an extra £100 a month. That's not to be sniffed at.

I'd rather have a petrol engine than £100 extra a month!

[court]

KFC said:

I'd rather have a petrol engine than £100 extra a month!

That is based on the petrol engine in the article..

[shoestring7]

Tara llems said:

Porsche also built a tractor with a three cylinder diesel in the 50's.

Does this mean they did not have the right to make sports cars?

Point.

Although frankly I think Porsche sold out in 1950 when they shifted 356 production to Stuttgart and started making them in steel.

SS7

[Ares]

Saw one of these on the road yesterday. Looks better in the flesh, and you have to look twice to see it's not the Cayenne.

Looking at the number of Evoques sold, and the paucity of stylish comparables, the Macan will be a huge success. 18 months time it'll be their best selling car, mark my word.

As said above, if sales of Macans etc justify crazy variants of 911s and 918s etc.... Bring it on.



Incidentally, have we stopped slagging off the 911 for (alleged) non-evolution and rolling out variants of the same car with different badges and a £25k price premium? Or are we too busy slamming Merc/BMW/Audi for building cars that sell like cheap drugs despite Volvo drivers thinking they are pointless/ugly/crap/not-petrolhead/etc? Just wondered.

[AudiWurst]

anonymous said:

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Hear that far too often on this site these days! Should probably become a new PH meme.

[CYMR0]

I'll just leave this here...



VW Multivan 2.0 TSi petrol with 204 bhp.

[scenario8]

You might want to explain yourself a little if you must leave that here.

[Carnnoisseur]

Great looking car in the flesh. I attended the Canary Wharf launch a couple of weeks ago. Few bits of info gleaned from the launch:

1. Apparently, if you order one today, delivery will be circa December 2015
2. Its pronounced "McCarn"
3. It's known as a grown up Cayman, rather than a baby Cayenne.
4. It's 5% Q5, the rest is all bespoke.

[r11co]

Carnnoisseur said:

4. It's 5% Q5, the rest is all bespoke.

Yeah, right. Is that in terms of component count or weight? The same part with a different number designation or markings does not count as bespoke BTW....

[Ares]

r11co said:

Carnnoisseur said:

4. It's 5% Q5, the rest is all bespoke.

Yeah, right. Is that in terms of component count or weight? The same part with a different number designation or markings does not count as bespoke BTW....

Does that outright make it bad?

Have Maserati's been st because they share parts with Fiat (and Ferrari)
Ditto Aston Martin/Ford?