RE: The four-cylinder Porsche is back!
Discussion
Ares said:
Incidentally, have we stopped slagging off the 911 for (alleged) non-evolution and rolling out variants of the same car with different badges and a £25k price premium? Or are we too busy slamming Merc/BMW/Audi for building cars that sell like cheap drugs despite Volvo drivers thinking they are pointless/ugly/crap/not-petrolhead/etc? Just wondered.
£25k premuium relative to what? The 911 is in every variant extraordinary value for money relative to its competitors.In any case, the 911 has over the years been a number of wholly different cars, including the 991 (which is a new platform).
anonymous said:
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It is interesting to note that only very recently has the manufacturer started writing "P O R S C H E" in large letters across the back of its sportscars as well as across the back of the saloon and SUV. They are clearly keen to make it all one happy family!Who knows, perhaps the next model from Maranello will sport a handsome "F I A T C H R Y S L E R" across the back......
Carnnoisseur said:
Great looking car in the flesh. I attended the Canary Wharf launch a couple of weeks ago. Few bits of info gleaned from the launch:
1. Apparently, if you order one today, delivery will be circa December 2015
2. Its pronounced "McCarn"
3. It's known as a grown up Cayman, rather than a baby Cayenne.
4. It's 5% Q5, the rest is all bespoke.
3. Who knows it as a grown up Cayman? I known it as badge engineering by the VAG group.1. Apparently, if you order one today, delivery will be circa December 2015
2. Its pronounced "McCarn"
3. It's known as a grown up Cayman, rather than a baby Cayenne.
4. It's 5% Q5, the rest is all bespoke.
4. Where does the 5% figure come from?
shoestring7 said:
Tara llems said:
Porsche also built a tractor with a three cylinder diesel in the 50's.
Does this mean they did not have the right to make sports cars?
Point.Does this mean they did not have the right to make sports cars?
Although frankly I think Porsche sold out in 1950 when they shifted 356 production to Stuttgart and started making them in steel.
SS7
You can't knock the VW business model.....a Porsche/VW/Audi on every drive.....anything that helps sink residuals on the rarer, older cars that aren't so efficient, basic on tech, arguably more 'dangerous' to drive (as you may have to adopt some skill) and therefore unappealing to the masses is a good thing in my opinion.
anonymous said:
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Funnily enough I was at a job (in Surrey) yesterday where there was a manual petrol Q5 (silver, not white - shame) on the drive and in the afternoon a job with an SQ5. Q7s seem only to come in big or bigger engined diesels, normally in black. They're starting to appear at the Croydon end of business these days, too. I do love a bit of New Addington/full fat off roader Venn diagram overlap.The first job was vaguely MILFtastic but probably a decade and a half over egged but the second was not MILFy in any meaningful way whatsoever.
I work for the wrong company
Ares said:
r11co said:
Carnnoisseur said:
4. It's 5% Q5, the rest is all bespoke.
Yeah, right. Is that in terms of component count or weight? The same part with a different number designation or markings does not count as bespoke BTW....Have Maserati's been s
t because they share parts with Fiat (and Ferrari)Ditto Aston Martin/Ford?
Fittster said:
shoestring7 said:
Tara llems said:
Porsche also built a tractor with a three cylinder diesel in the 50's.
Does this mean they did not have the right to make sports cars?
Point.Does this mean they did not have the right to make sports cars?
Although frankly I think Porsche sold out in 1950 when they shifted 356 production to Stuttgart and started making them in steel.
SS7
There's not much that's new under the sun. This is one of the great should-have-beens and tribute alone to Prof. Porsche's ability to innovate. Its a mid-30s Porsche proposal for an Auto-Union hyper-sports 3 seater (driver in the middle) with a GP derived mid-engined/tranaxle layout:
SS7
Fittster said:
anonymous said:
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How does that work? To get something in the back of a 4x4 you'd have to lift it higher than if you were loading an estate. Bring back the CX estate, drop the ride height for easy loading.
Same with loading sprogs, I can keep my back straight and vertical through the whole process, lowering them into cars at an angle is a real recipe for pinging the back.
The fact that I can get this convenience these days with phenomenal performance is a real bonus. I also find that overtaking in the Rangie is actually easier than in my other cars as I can see much further and rarely have my view blocked by the car in front.
I've travelled in Rangies for over 40 years and I love the relaxing position, the ease of loading them up and the ability to go anywhere. I think the modern performance SUVs from Porsche are amazing. But I don't see any purpose to the low performance ones. LR can get away with it as they are more about wafting but to me Porsche is synonymous with arriving somewhere far sooner than you need to be there, having set off later than you should have.
Edited by DonkeyApple on Friday 25th April 10:32
DonkeyApple said:
But I don't see any purpose to the low performance ones. LR can get away with it as they are more about wafting but to me Porsche is synonymous with arriving somewhere far sooner than you need to be there, having set off later than you should have.
I guess its people that want an SUV, don't want to be bankrupt with 20mpg consumption but still want something less agricultural (or cheap and sEdited by DonkeyApple on Friday 25th April 10:32
tty) than the none-premium SUVs. Freelander is nice, Evoque is far nicer.daveco said:
I saw the small Audi jeep yesterday and was struck at its similarity to this car, which is not a bad thing imo.
In a sense Porsche are that fourth ring in the Skoda/VW/Audi stable now aren't they?
Yep, but only if you think ownership is the same as day-to-day engineering control, which it isnt In a sense Porsche are that fourth ring in the Skoda/VW/Audi stable now aren't they?
ORD said:
Yep, but only if you think ownership is the same as day-to-day engineering control, which it isnt
Oh come on, some of the modern Porsche's are badge engineered versions of group cars.People complained bitterly when Saab became "just another GM brand" with similar cross-breeding.
The Macan is the closest that you can get to that. Even then, the degree of Porsche-specific content is pretty high. It is primarily about sharing the major chassis development costs. It is a lot more than "re-badging". I think everyone actually knows that (not least because the price difference is high and journos all note how Porschey the car feels).
As others have said, the UK needs a 4 pot diesel and it'll sell by the boat load, a 4 banger turbo petrol is of literally no interest at all to the vast majority of British buyers of this kind of car.
However, out here where annual mileages are lower, the tax regime favours cars with smaller engines and petrol is a good bit cheaper than diesel they'll be very popular (but still not quite as popular as one running on derv).
As an example, there are 522 Audi Q5s on AutoTrader today, 55 are petrol, and the rest are diesel. If you look at those up to three years old (gives a better view of the type of stuff people are buying now) it's 16 out of 265 or 6% of the total.
On the Swiss equivalent site there are 204 Q5s under 3 years old and 45 are petrol (22%) which is a big difference.
In China and the USA (both huge markets for Porsche) this will probably be the best seller, and given the choice I'd rather have this than a TDi!
However, out here where annual mileages are lower, the tax regime favours cars with smaller engines and petrol is a good bit cheaper than diesel they'll be very popular (but still not quite as popular as one running on derv).
As an example, there are 522 Audi Q5s on AutoTrader today, 55 are petrol, and the rest are diesel. If you look at those up to three years old (gives a better view of the type of stuff people are buying now) it's 16 out of 265 or 6% of the total.
On the Swiss equivalent site there are 204 Q5s under 3 years old and 45 are petrol (22%) which is a big difference.
In China and the USA (both huge markets for Porsche) this will probably be the best seller, and given the choice I'd rather have this than a TDi!
Ares said:
DonkeyApple said:
But I don't see any purpose to the low performance ones. LR can get away with it as they are more about wafting but to me Porsche is synonymous with arriving somewhere far sooner than you need to be there, having set off later than you should have.
I guess its people that want an SUV, don't want to be bankrupt with 20mpg consumption but still want something less agricultural (or cheap and sEdited by DonkeyApple on Friday 25th April 10:32
tty) than the none-premium SUVs. Freelander is nice, Evoque is far nicer.Seems odd to think that if you haven't enough money and don't want to drive fast then you can buy a Porsche.
I do wish that as a brand they stopped making the 'Volks Wagons'.
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