Bloody Tyre Reviews. I'll be down to the wires.........
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Another vote for the Michelin PS3 here. They are a superb all round tyre, dry grip, wet grip, ride and noise are all excellent and they wear extremely well for a performance tyre. On my Clio 182 they managed about 30k and would have done more had I rotated them more often as the fronts were only about half worn by then. I have bought a set for my Golf and so far they are proving equally excellent and after 4.5k they still look brand new.
As a side note I have never had a puncture, damage or uneven wear on a Michelin and I don't know anyone else that has but I know lots of people who have had such issues on other brands. This is very unscientific but it does lead me to suspect that Michelins could be better built than many other tyres, especially budgets.
As a side note I have never had a puncture, damage or uneven wear on a Michelin and I don't know anyone else that has but I know lots of people who have had such issues on other brands. This is very unscientific but it does lead me to suspect that Michelins could be better built than many other tyres, especially budgets.
kambites said:
SuperchargedVR6 said:
kambites said:
Eagle F1 Asymetrics are very good in terms of grip, noise and ride quality, although some people find the side-walls rather soft.
But they made the steering incredibly twitchy on my Golf R32. The steering with the Pilot 3s that were on it prior was always weighty and stable. I've always had problems with Eagles on my VWs, especially the old GSD3 arrowhead pattern. A terrible tyre when half worn.Think I'll stick with Michelin, Bridgestone and Continental from now on. Must be a reason why Germans always fit these as standard to their cars.
Certain tread patterns / rubber compounds / sidewall construction just play havoc with some cars' geometry / suspension configuration and Eagle F1s have always been that tyre on my VWs. Conti, Bridgestone & Michelin have consistently outperformed anything else and always given consistent steering feel.
I felt compelled to try the F1 Assy 2s after the mega hype they received, and winning Evo's "Tyre of the year" award and whilst the grip is there in the corners, the car feels worse in a straight line.
Edited by SuperchargedVR6 on Thursday 24th April 10:24
Ray Luxury-Yacht said:
Used many different brands over the years (Pirelli, Dunlop, Kumho, Goodyear, Avon, Toyo etc. etc.) and have never been what I can describe as 'totally happy' with any of those. There was always some type of problem - vibration, uneven wear, pulling to the left or right, bad wet weather braking, soft sidewalls, poor longevity, a propensity to suffer punctures...
In 2007, I bought a Porsche 996 911. It came with Pirelli P zero Rosso tyres. They were rubbish. Noisy, unpredictable...to the extent that I had a 4-wheel alignment done sharpish, because I thought the dodgy handling was a geometry problem (it wasn't...)
After going on the Porsche sub-forum on PH, most people recommended Michelin PS3 tyres for my Porsche. I had previously thought that Michelins were a ridiculous, expensive, indulgent luxury at some hideously inflated (excuse the pun) price.
However, it seemed at the time, going into 2008, that possibly helped by the recession, my tame local tyre place started to be only too keen to supply me with Michelins at a knock-down price. Like £400 for a full set fitted and balanced to the Porsche....previously unheard of! Before the recession, the same tyres would have been nearer 700 bucks.
Anyway, after fitting Michelin PS3's - well, I realised that my OCD tyre aspirations were finally satisifed! Oh, what a difference! Sharp, precise handling, supreme traction and grip, amazing wet-weather braking, quiet, even wear, amazing longevity - and I have never suffered a puncture in a Michelin since either (although even I recognise that this last point might be a wee bit of a co-incidence...)
Since then, I have fitted PS3's to every other car I have owned. Again, the prevailing attitude at the tyre shop is that I am met with an almost dis-believing look when I ask for Michelins. It seems that since the recession, everyone just rolls up and asks for the cheapest tyre available.
As said, I reckon this is a false economy - my tyre place is always keen to do a deal on the Michelins, as no-one else seems to buy them - so they can be had for a really decent price, even now.
And they are just great. Nothing but complete benefits, with no disadvantages at all. They last so well, and work so brilliantly.
My recommendation!
I've just replaced a set of PS3s, previous to that was a set of PZero Neros and my experience was that the PS3s were very noisy, slightly less grip in the dry (actually saw traction control kick in occasionally under hard acceleration in the dry) but outstanding wet weather grip, really hit fuel economy (by about 2-3mpg) and didn't last as long (about 3k less mileage before replacement). They were also pretty expensive.In 2007, I bought a Porsche 996 911. It came with Pirelli P zero Rosso tyres. They were rubbish. Noisy, unpredictable...to the extent that I had a 4-wheel alignment done sharpish, because I thought the dodgy handling was a geometry problem (it wasn't...)
After going on the Porsche sub-forum on PH, most people recommended Michelin PS3 tyres for my Porsche. I had previously thought that Michelins were a ridiculous, expensive, indulgent luxury at some hideously inflated (excuse the pun) price.
However, it seemed at the time, going into 2008, that possibly helped by the recession, my tame local tyre place started to be only too keen to supply me with Michelins at a knock-down price. Like £400 for a full set fitted and balanced to the Porsche....previously unheard of! Before the recession, the same tyres would have been nearer 700 bucks.
Anyway, after fitting Michelin PS3's - well, I realised that my OCD tyre aspirations were finally satisifed! Oh, what a difference! Sharp, precise handling, supreme traction and grip, amazing wet-weather braking, quiet, even wear, amazing longevity - and I have never suffered a puncture in a Michelin since either (although even I recognise that this last point might be a wee bit of a co-incidence...)
Since then, I have fitted PS3's to every other car I have owned. Again, the prevailing attitude at the tyre shop is that I am met with an almost dis-believing look when I ask for Michelins. It seems that since the recession, everyone just rolls up and asks for the cheapest tyre available.
As said, I reckon this is a false economy - my tyre place is always keen to do a deal on the Michelins, as no-one else seems to buy them - so they can be had for a really decent price, even now.
And they are just great. Nothing but complete benefits, with no disadvantages at all. They last so well, and work so brilliantly.
My recommendation!
Lucas Ayde said:
Ray Luxury-Yacht said:
Used many different brands over the years (Pirelli, Dunlop, Kumho, Goodyear, Avon, Toyo etc. etc.) and have never been what I can describe as 'totally happy' with any of those. There was always some type of problem - vibration, uneven wear, pulling to the left or right, bad wet weather braking, soft sidewalls, poor longevity, a propensity to suffer punctures...
In 2007, I bought a Porsche 996 911. It came with Pirelli P zero Rosso tyres. They were rubbish. Noisy, unpredictable...to the extent that I had a 4-wheel alignment done sharpish, because I thought the dodgy handling was a geometry problem (it wasn't...)
After going on the Porsche sub-forum on PH, most people recommended Michelin PS3 tyres for my Porsche. I had previously thought that Michelins were a ridiculous, expensive, indulgent luxury at some hideously inflated (excuse the pun) price.
However, it seemed at the time, going into 2008, that possibly helped by the recession, my tame local tyre place started to be only too keen to supply me with Michelins at a knock-down price. Like £400 for a full set fitted and balanced to the Porsche....previously unheard of! Before the recession, the same tyres would have been nearer 700 bucks.
Anyway, after fitting Michelin PS3's - well, I realised that my OCD tyre aspirations were finally satisifed! Oh, what a difference! Sharp, precise handling, supreme traction and grip, amazing wet-weather braking, quiet, even wear, amazing longevity - and I have never suffered a puncture in a Michelin since either (although even I recognise that this last point might be a wee bit of a co-incidence...)
Since then, I have fitted PS3's to every other car I have owned. Again, the prevailing attitude at the tyre shop is that I am met with an almost dis-believing look when I ask for Michelins. It seems that since the recession, everyone just rolls up and asks for the cheapest tyre available.
As said, I reckon this is a false economy - my tyre place is always keen to do a deal on the Michelins, as no-one else seems to buy them - so they can be had for a really decent price, even now.
And they are just great. Nothing but complete benefits, with no disadvantages at all. They last so well, and work so brilliantly.
My recommendation!
I've just replaced a set of PS3s, previous to that was a set of PZero Neros and my experience was that the PS3s were very noisy, slightly less grip in the dry (actually saw traction control kick in occasionally under hard acceleration in the dry) but outstanding wet weather grip, really hit fuel economy (by about 2-3mpg) and didn't last as long (about 3k less mileage before replacement). They were also pretty expensive.In 2007, I bought a Porsche 996 911. It came with Pirelli P zero Rosso tyres. They were rubbish. Noisy, unpredictable...to the extent that I had a 4-wheel alignment done sharpish, because I thought the dodgy handling was a geometry problem (it wasn't...)
After going on the Porsche sub-forum on PH, most people recommended Michelin PS3 tyres for my Porsche. I had previously thought that Michelins were a ridiculous, expensive, indulgent luxury at some hideously inflated (excuse the pun) price.
However, it seemed at the time, going into 2008, that possibly helped by the recession, my tame local tyre place started to be only too keen to supply me with Michelins at a knock-down price. Like £400 for a full set fitted and balanced to the Porsche....previously unheard of! Before the recession, the same tyres would have been nearer 700 bucks.
Anyway, after fitting Michelin PS3's - well, I realised that my OCD tyre aspirations were finally satisifed! Oh, what a difference! Sharp, precise handling, supreme traction and grip, amazing wet-weather braking, quiet, even wear, amazing longevity - and I have never suffered a puncture in a Michelin since either (although even I recognise that this last point might be a wee bit of a co-incidence...)
Since then, I have fitted PS3's to every other car I have owned. Again, the prevailing attitude at the tyre shop is that I am met with an almost dis-believing look when I ask for Michelins. It seems that since the recession, everyone just rolls up and asks for the cheapest tyre available.
As said, I reckon this is a false economy - my tyre place is always keen to do a deal on the Michelins, as no-one else seems to buy them - so they can be had for a really decent price, even now.
And they are just great. Nothing but complete benefits, with no disadvantages at all. They last so well, and work so brilliantly.
My recommendation!
SuperchargedVR6 said:
I said "Eagles" as in historically. The Eagle F1 did used to have an arrowhead pattern.
Ah OK. I don't really see the relevance of the performance of a completely different tyre, though. 
They certainly aren't sports car tyres (there's no way I'd put them on the Elise) but I've found them to be very good for shopping cars like the wife's Octavia.
No problems with the hankook ventus v12 evo - run them on my Integra for mostly road and the odd track day. I think you get what you pay for. Buy cheap ditch finders and expect a lower quality tyre "performance" . Always going to get a bad review from someone on every tire . What is the general on the mini forums?
No problems with the hankook ventus v12 evo - run them on my Integra for mostly road and the odd track day. I think you get what you pay for. Buy cheap ditch finders and expect a lower quality tyre "performance" . Always going to get a bad review from someone on every tire . What is the general consensus on the mini forums?
Fantuzzi said:
www.tyrereviews.co.uk, there's a website full of owner reviews and a load of magazine tests.
When I first read the subject I thought I'd done something wrong 
Tannedbaldhead said:
Cooper S. 205/45 on 17inch rims.
Will be interesting to see if someone will say the best tyres are (insert fave tyre here) only to see two posts down that message in quotes and another poster saying "faaaaahkin' hell mate. You don't want them. Ditchfinders"
I've got the same size rim as you on my car. I've got the Hankook Ventus V12 Evo on my car and they're brilliant, really grippy, especially in the wet. I have found the limit of grip in the dry but I was travelling just shy of Mach 1. Fantastic tyre, with a good tread pattern and after 5000 miles of spirited driving i've lost 1mm. Will be interesting to see if someone will say the best tyres are (insert fave tyre here) only to see two posts down that message in quotes and another poster saying "faaaaahkin' hell mate. You don't want them. Ditchfinders"
Worth every penny.
jamieduff1981 said:
kambites said:
Eagle F1 Asymetrics are very good in terms of grip, noise and ride quality, although some people find the side-walls rather soft.
Perhaps not an apples-for-apples comparison as the wheels were an inch bigger and far too heavy, but I borrowed a set of 18" Spider wheels with Toyo T-1Rs for the Cerbera whilst my 17s with worn out Eagle F1 GSD3s were away for refurbishment. The car was horrible. Leaving aside the ride, it tramlined like a pig and felt really squirmy. The 17s came back with my new Eagle F1 Assymetrics as GSD3s are discontinued, and it was back to its good old self again.Much was the wheels for sure - they were terrible. The Eagles are probably quite soft but they seem a lot stiffer than the T-1Rs which didn't impress me whatsoever.
Edited by Hatchoo on Thursday 24th April 11:52
kambites said:
I found T1-Rs to be absolutely horrible in terms of (lack of) side-wall stiffness. I've only driven them on an Elise though, which is an extremely tyre sensitive car.
Other than the load index and an XL type reference there doesn't seem to be any quantification of sidewall stiffness for tyres.Garvin said:
M3CS said:
. . . . . Michelin Pilot Super Sports . . . . . . . . BUY THEM. No better road tyre in my opinion . . . .
^^^ This, just this. Cease all further investigations and prevarications, just go buy them - they are utterly brilliant. Expensive but brilliant.On my previous clio 200 (similar type of car) I had the continental sport contact 3, which have now been superseded by the 5. I would recommend them for a good all round tyre.
Also look at Yokohama AD08. They're rated as B in the wet (A being the best), but are utterly tremendous in the dry
I have Falken FK453s on my Mazda 6MPS and am quite impressed. I know the 452 was not a good tyre and someone from Falken told me that the 453 addresses a lot of the criticisms.
Previously I had Kumho KU31 and they was too soft - probably because I got the wrong load rating, 89 instead of 93 so the sidewalls were not so rigid.
Previously I had Kumho KU31 and they was too soft - probably because I got the wrong load rating, 89 instead of 93 so the sidewalls were not so rigid.
Hatchoo said:
Other than the load index and an XL type reference there doesn't seem to be any quantification of sidewall stiffness for tyres.
If you can put your hands on different unmounted tyres, you can learn a little before you commit to buying. It's only an indication, but XL or load index tells you nothing. roystinho said:
Also look at Yokohama AD08. They're rated as B in the wet (A being the best), but are utterly tremendous in the dry
Wear characteristics aren't great, though. Makes them relatively expensive to run. They're noisy, too. Fabulous sports car tyre but I think they might be a bit OTT for a small hatchback.
kambites said:
roystinho said:
Also look at Yokohama AD08. They're rated as B in the wet (A being the best), but are utterly tremendous in the dry
Wear characteristics aren't great, though. Makes them relatively expensive to run. They're noisy, too. Fabulous sports car tyre but I think they might be a bit OTT for a small hatchback.
You're not getting these mixed up with the A048s that go on elises/exiges are you? (Don't mean that to sound pedantic by the way
)roystinho said:
You're not getting these mixed up with the A048s that go on elises/exiges are you? (Don't mean that to sound pedantic by the way )
The Elise uses AD07s (which are almost identical to the AD08). I've been running them on my daily driver for the last seven years. Unfortunately when Yokohama switched from the AD07 to the AD08, they didn't replace the size that I need. )
The A048 would be a completely daft tyre to run on a daily driver; they're terrifying on standing water.
kambites said:
roystinho said:
You're not getting these mixed up with the A048s that go on elises/exiges are you? (Don't mean that to sound pedantic by the way )
The Elise uses AD07s (which are almost identical to the AD08). I've been running them on my daily driver for the last seven years. )The A048 would be a completely daft tyre to run on a daily driver; they're terrifying on standing water.
I'd still say an AD08 for a weekend or track hot hatch with a little commute is suitable though. Totally depends on the op's needs
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