Autotrader now clearly highlighting Cat C/D on ads!
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Not an expensive one but I pass the garage it's at regularly http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2014...
Quite surprising that a dealer wouldn't mention it.
Quite surprising that a dealer wouldn't mention it.
Steffan said:
TroubledSoul said:
Durzel said:
It does make for an interesting lunchtime though.. who can find the most expensive undeclared writeoff?
edit: I'll start the ball rolling..
A "fine example" indeed
I like the cut of your jib! edit: I'll start the ball rolling..
A "fine example" indeed
Edited by Durzel on Thursday 24th April 13:26
Well maintained.... Full BMW SH..... Is that before AND after the write off?
1) Has the dealer realised what they're up to and not bothered to mention it as the information is now in the auto trader section?
2) It is possible that the car isn't a writeoff at all - the data could be wrong (s
t in = st out)An extension of 1) is that if someone buys the car without asking the necessary questions or making the checks and not knowing what that little logo means, they could well be buying a written off car and as far as the dealer is aware they've let the customer know. I know this seems unlikely, but so does Vauxhall giving some bird a new car with a bigger engine because she didn't do her research properly
Good! I nearly ended up going to view a Fiesta that was in fact a Cat C, despite the advert not saying and it not being priced accordingly.In the end I saved myself with a last minute HPI check. Seller's reaction to me complaining about the misleading advert over the phone was 'oh, well it was only a wing...'
TheFinners said:
Good! I nearly ended up going to view a Fiesta that was in fact a Cat C, despite the advert not saying and it not being priced accordingly.In the end I saved myself with a last minute HPI check. Seller's reaction to me complaining about the misleading advert over the phone was 'oh, well it was only a wing...'
My view entirely. The purchaser should still exercise the reasonable care all major purchases require but I do think this can only be for the good. Taking the "more information leads to less customer care" to its illogical conclusion, IMO nothing should be said and no photos should be offered by the vendor. Which is patently silly. The more honest information there is in such adverts the better. This is good news IMO.SystemParanoia said:
This is a relevation for the bangernomics end of the market. You don't hpi a £300 car.. But this can be used as ammo to screw the seller to the floorboards on price 
Good riddence to the scamming lying aholes I say
I agree this is a revelation and a welcome revelation. Let us hope more purchaser friendly changes are in the process.Good riddence to the scamming lying a
holes I say 
Steffan said:
I like the FSH availability but zero ref to the Cat D by the seller. Presumably a detail he was hoping to avoid. This suggests that the punters have not realised on AT currently how that the game is afoot with clear evidence of such matters in this new format. I like the change: I think it is the way all web car ads need to go and the more accurate information made clear to the buyers the better. What is this car worth now that the Cat D is apparent? Any suggestions I am no BMW expert.
Not sure, but that price would be about bang on for a non write off higher miles car. TroubledSoul said:
I like the cut of your jib!
Well maintained.... Full BMW SH..... Is that before AND after the write off?
Here's another one.. a "stunning example":Well maintained.... Full BMW SH..... Is that before AND after the write off?
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2014...
"Experian auto check clear" too apparently.
sat1983 said:
Genius! I still would run a check regardless of a garage claiming such, and it would seem I'd be entirely correct to do so. The following advert does show that it is registered so not in the spirit of the thread. But, what does one have to do to write off a car of this value?
£169,995Bentley Mulsanne 6.8 V8 Mulliner Driving Spec 4dr Auto
£169,995Bentley Mulsanne 6.8 V8 Mulliner Driving Spec 4dr Auto
Durzel said:
TroubledSoul said:
I like the cut of your jib!
Well maintained.... Full BMW SH..... Is that before AND after the write off?
Here's another one.. a "stunning example":Well maintained.... Full BMW SH..... Is that before AND after the write off?
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2014...
"Experian auto check clear" too apparently.
TX.
h0b0 said:
The following advert does show that it is registered so not in the spirit of the thread. But, what does one have to do to write off a car of this value?
£169,995Bentley Mulsanne 6.8 V8 Mulliner Driving Spec 4dr Auto
Drive over high kerbs at speed with 4 wheels would do it. Chassis (monocoque??)required, all suspension, all drivetrain, all mechanics sump knocked out = dead doornail. £169,995Bentley Mulsanne 6.8 V8 Mulliner Driving Spec 4dr Auto
I'm sure this will be fantastic news to all those poor sods that found the 'perfect car' on their tedious search at a great price, only to scan through the poorly keyword-filled descriptions segment to find "cat c" delicately hidden within which makes their heart sink... I am one of those too, happened all the bloody time - this is a good update, I am finally starting to enjoy using their website more (Yeah, I'm one of 'those' that search through classifieds just to see what's out there... living life to the full.. 
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I wonder how many dodgy dealers are buying new underwear right now in light of this, haha - soon to be caught out, and how embarrassing for them if they haven't declared it themselves in the advert! Great update, well overdue though..
)I wonder how many dodgy dealers are buying new underwear right now in light of this, haha - soon to be caught out, and how embarrassing for them if they haven't declared it themselves in the advert! Great update, well overdue though..
Edited by WoodsterT on Thursday 24th April 19:41
sat1983 said:
Oh all cars are checked, we just don't tell you the results of the check!WoodsterT said:
I'm sure this will be fantastic news to all those poor sods that found the 'perfect car' on their tedious search at a great price, only to scan through the poorly keyword-filled descriptions segment to find "cat c" delicately hidden within which makes their heart sink... I am one of those too, happened all the bloody time - this is a good update, I am finally starting to enjoy using their website more (Yeah, I'm one of 'those' that search through classifieds just to see what's out there... living life to the full.. )
I wonder how many dodgy dealers are buying new underwear right now in light of this, haha - soon to be caught out, and how embarrassing for them if it's not been included in the advert as standard information!
Such a deliberate exclusion by a dealer is illegal and transgresses various consumer requirements. Fact is many do it and use the standard FO to all complainants. Good to see this improvement. AT need to bring their site up to reasonable standards and make car buying less of a risky business. No place for intentional misrepresentation in any trade advertisement nowadays. They cannot sell as seen without warranty unless there are very particular circumstances to a sale.)I wonder how many dodgy dealers are buying new underwear right now in light of this, haha - soon to be caught out, and how embarrassing for them if it's not been included in the advert as standard information!
Edited by WoodsterT on Thursday 24th April 19:34
Toaster Pilot said:
Not an expensive one but I pass the garage it's at regularly http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2014...
Quite surprising that a dealer wouldn't mention it.
I was at that garage recently! One to avoid I think... or question them on it and see how they react, depends how much of a barsteward I want to be Quite surprising that a dealer wouldn't mention it.
Steffan said:
Such a deliberate exclusion by a dealer is illegal and transgresses various consumer requirements. Fact is many do it and use the standard FO to all complainants. Good to see this improvement. AT need to bring their site up to reasonable standards and make car buying less of a risky business. No place for intentional misrepresentation in any trade advertisement nowadays. They cannot sell as seen without warranty unless there are very particular circumstances to a sale.
Completely agree, it baffles me that these people still exist - some do still manage to 'get away with it' right now but I expect they sell to the easy targets that don't do the usual checks and just take their word for it. Glad this is in, sure - you should probably still check it yourself anyway, I'd never fully rely on a website feature but it's nice to have a platform to start at - and pin points the sellers that aren't worth your time if they haven't stated the condition off their own back! Edited by WoodsterT on Thursday 24th April 19:51
Something worth bearing in mind with this is that whilst looking around for high value undeclared ones I did find a couple that DID mention that they were on VCAR in the description but didn't have the icon on the listing. I presume either AT is going back through existing adverts and running these checks, or it's only for new listings. Either way - it's not quite as reassuring as once thought.
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