RE: Volkswagen Golf R: Review
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bodhi said:
Classy. Out of interest are we discussing 10 year old 3 series? Just wondering why you felt the need to get personal and attack the man's own wheels?
Actually don't bother answering that, judging by some of your previous posts on here it's par for the course.
It's OK...I do as his name implies and think of him as my pet jester. Actually don't bother answering that, judging by some of your previous posts on here it's par for the course.
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No pleasing some people, if it didnt have the four tailpipes people would say looks to similar to the GTI, each to their own an all that but for an everyday car (practical,quick, discreet,safe) ticks a lot of boxes to me, as for the old v6 engines yes they sounded better but werent much quicker, if at all and were crap on fuel (r32)
Yes i have ordered one
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Not at all, a twin exhaust with one pipe at each side would easily differentiate it from the GTI, similar to the look of the old R32, and would look far less silly too. Not sure the MPG difference is as big as you think between the R32 and this, 25-30 seems quite common (ignoring on a run figures).
Enjoy the new car however, as I said it does look a weapon, I've just done my time with fast Golfs, owning 3 and doing God knows how many miles in my old boss's GTD.
No pleasing some people, if it didnt have the four tailpipes people would say looks to similar to the GTI, each to their own an all that but for an everyday car (practical,quick, discreet,safe) ticks a lot of boxes to me, as for the old v6 engines yes they sounded better but werent much quicker, if at all and were crap on fuel (r32)
Yes i have ordered one
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Not at all, a twin exhaust with one pipe at each side would easily differentiate it from the GTI, similar to the look of the old R32, and would look far less silly too. Not sure the MPG difference is as big as you think between the R32 and this, 25-30 seems quite common (ignoring on a run figures).
Enjoy the new car however, as I said it does look a weapon, I've just done my time with fast Golfs, owning 3 and doing God knows how many miles in my old boss's GTD.
Clivey said:
scherzkeks said:
How do you feel about dual tips on impotent 170 ps hers?
Just curious.
Not a problem.Just curious.
The Rules.
bodhi said:
Again on the cylinder count, the R models used to be a bit special because of that lovely VR6 engine up front. Putting just another generic 4 cylinder in loses a lot of the appeal for me. Plus it appears this new one gets through just as much fuel as the old R32, so what's the point?
Because cars like the last R32 had emissions of 255 g/km and a combined cycle of 26.4 mpg compared to the latest 2 litre turbo R which is 20% more powerful, 159 g/km and 40.9 combined. Regardless what we think about the mpg tests they are a benchmark to compare against. The point is that cars like the R32 had no future with emissions targets being set and we should be thankful for the engineers in not just continuing to provide vehicles that meet the new targets but exceeding the performance figures. See this report from six or years ago http://www.autocar.co.uk/blogs/green-cars/death-ho...Tony33 said:
ecause cars like the last R32 had emissions of 255 g/km and a combined cycle of 26.4 mpg compared to the latest 2 litre turbo R which is 20% more powerful, 159 g/km and 40.9 combined. Regardless what we think about the mpg tests they are a benchmark to compare against. The point is that cars like the R32 had no future with emissions targets being set and we should be thankful for the engineers in not just continuing to provide vehicles that meet the new targets but exceeding the performance figures. See this report from six or years ago http://www.autocar.co.uk/blogs/green-cars/death-ho...
I see your point, however the boys from Bavaria have managed to keep the 6 cylinder alive and kicking, giving similar if not better real world MPG than the Golf R, whilst retaining the bulk of the 6 cylinder goodness. I just find it a shame VAG couldn't do the same. Guess the engineers in Bavaria are a bit brighter bodhi said:
Tony33 said:
ecause cars like the last R32 had emissions of 255 g/km and a combined cycle of 26.4 mpg compared to the latest 2 litre turbo R which is 20% more powerful, 159 g/km and 40.9 combined. Regardless what we think about the mpg tests they are a benchmark to compare against. The point is that cars like the R32 had no future with emissions targets being set and we should be thankful for the engineers in not just continuing to provide vehicles that meet the new targets but exceeding the performance figures. See this report from six or years ago http://www.autocar.co.uk/blogs/green-cars/death-ho...
I see your point, however the boys from Bavaria have managed to keep the 6 cylinder alive and kicking, giving similar if not better real world MPG than the Golf R, whilst retaining the bulk of the 6 cylinder goodness. I just find it a shame VAG couldn't do the same. Guess the engineers in Bavaria are a bit brighter and dont forget they also rig the emission results which is why the test is being changed
Not heard about that.bodhi said:
I see your point, however the boys from Bavaria have managed to keep the 6 cylinder alive and kicking, giving similar if not better real world MPG than the Golf R, whilst retaining the bulk of the 6 cylinder goodness. I just find it a shame VAG couldn't do the same. Guess the engineers in Bavaria are a bit brighter
Does a M135i really get a combined 37mpg>? not according to some, most report 20shttp://www.fuelly.com/car/bmw/m135i/2013
No car gets its official mpg figures, but the consensus is that the worst culprits for the difference between reported and actual figures are diesels (worst) and small turbo petrol engines. Big NA petrol engines get pretty close to their official figures (because they aren't set up to beat the tests).
aka_kerrly said:
Does a M135i really get a combined 37mpg>? not according to some, most report 20s
http://www.fuelly.com/car/bmw/m135i/2013
You mean like the Golf doesn't get 40 combined, with again, lots of people reporting in the 20s? See above comment about why the tests are changing....http://www.fuelly.com/car/bmw/m135i/2013
scherzkeks said:
Clivey said:
scherzkeks said:
How do you feel about dual tips on impotent 170 ps hers?
Just curious.
Not a problem.Just curious.
The Rules.
bodhi said:
aka_kerrly said:
Does a M135i really get a combined 37mpg>? not according to some, most report 20s
http://www.fuelly.com/car/bmw/m135i/2013
You mean like the Golf doesn't get 40 combined, with again, lots of people reporting in the 20s? See above comment about why the tests are changing....http://www.fuelly.com/car/bmw/m135i/2013
I've gone (via a diseasel company Volvo) from a 4-pot 8P S3 to a Mk5 Golf R32. 257g Co2! 
They deliver their peformance in different ways as we know, but I thought it was worth mentioning that the manual R32's economy is working out about the same as my old DSG S3.
I'd definitely consider a Mk7 Golf R or S3 - but if the choice was between another 6-cyl R and a 4-pot S3, then I'd find it very hard to go for the 4-pot machine...no matter what the stats say on paper.
Why do people still like acoustic guitars, steel-framed bikes, vynil music etc.
They deliver their peformance in different ways as we know, but I thought it was worth mentioning that the manual R32's economy is working out about the same as my old DSG S3.
I'd definitely consider a Mk7 Golf R or S3 - but if the choice was between another 6-cyl R and a 4-pot S3, then I'd find it very hard to go for the 4-pot machine...no matter what the stats say on paper.
Why do people still like acoustic guitars, steel-framed bikes, vynil music etc.
Edited by Basil Hume on Thursday 8th May 21:39
bodhi said:
I see your point, however the boys from Bavaria have managed to keep the 6 cylinder alive and kicking, giving similar if not better real world MPG than the Golf R, whilst retaining the bulk of the 6 cylinder goodness. I just find it a shame VAG couldn't do the same. Guess the engineers in Bavaria are a bit brighter
The 1 Series is now a two to three year old model and I am afraid the last version to have a six cylinder engine if reports are to be believed the next having three or four pots in a FWD or AWD platform shared with the new Mini. Times move on though it will be interesting to see what the secondhand price of low mileage M135is is like when the new models come out, could be a wise buy over the next couple of years?Tony33 said:
he 1 Series is now a two to three year old model and I am afraid the last version to have a six cylinder engine if reports are to be believed the next having three or four pots in a FWD or AWD platform shared with the new Mini.
I've heard the same. For enthusiasts, the USP will be lost but it'll probably sell by the boatload to those who just want to be seen "driving a German whip". It's a shame; the straight six & RWD in a small but still practical package has massive appeal to some people (me included). I don't need something as large as a 3-Series (I only bought mine because it was amazing value at the time), so it'd be a shame to have to drag around another few hundred KG of extra car if you want a 6-pot in the future...assuming that BMW continue to sell a 6-cylinder petrols at all.Tony33 said:
Times move on though it will be interesting to see what the secondhand price of low mileage M135is is like when the new models come out, could be a wise buy over the next couple of years?
Whilst I think the M135i will hold value, I certainly don't think there'll be any money to be made - not in the next decade anyway. It'll probably be like the E46 330ci - a really good, top-of-the-range, last-of-the-line car can still set you back £9-10k.bodhi said:
I see your point, however the boys from Bavaria have managed to keep the 6 cylinder alive and kicking, giving similar if not better real world MPG than the Golf R, whilst retaining the bulk of the 6 cylinder goodness. I just find it a shame VAG couldn't do the same. Guess the engineers in Bavaria are a bit brighter
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