RE: Porsche Cayman GTS: Review
Discussion
Goofnik said:
Not optioned up you can't. I have a Cayman GTS on order, exactly how I want it (including the another 10mm lower X73 Sport Suspension over PASM). Going to a Carrera 2S would increase my cost another 35%. A 4S would increase my cost another 40%. The only 911 that's "just as affordable" is a *completely stripped* base Carrera.
you could buy one thats a year old though, so if you really wanted a 911 you could buy one instead of a cayman. Regardless, it's a ridiculous quote.Perhaps some of the Porsche hatred on here comes from the same line as everyone loved to hate the class swot.
Porsche make some pretty fine sports cars, electric steering and some engine fires are not really going to spoil that in the long run. They have to play the CO2 game the same as everyone else and electric steering is all part of that game.
On the subject of the new "GTS", you can hardly blame Porsche for promoting their products, the motoring press will either report on it or not. I'm sure some Porsche hospitality will help, but at the end of the day, the journos are reporting on things that we are interested in, and the comments on this article suggest we are...
Porsche make some pretty fine sports cars, electric steering and some engine fires are not really going to spoil that in the long run. They have to play the CO2 game the same as everyone else and electric steering is all part of that game.
On the subject of the new "GTS", you can hardly blame Porsche for promoting their products, the motoring press will either report on it or not. I'm sure some Porsche hospitality will help, but at the end of the day, the journos are reporting on things that we are interested in, and the comments on this article suggest we are...
I really like the current Cayman and the GTS offers more of the same only a bit better
I still bought an Evora though
Main reasons
telephathic steering in the Evora
depreciation in the Porsche probably worse
too many Porsches especially in my industry, bought by people buying them for the wrong reasons IMO
I still bought an Evora though
Main reasons
telephathic steering in the Evora
depreciation in the Porsche probably worse
too many Porsches especially in my industry, bought by people buying them for the wrong reasons IMO
Article was a difficult read.
Porsche cars seem to get the hate since the prices went up for the 911.
It's really funny reading people slagging off the electric steering, and pdk box, how many of you have actually driven these cars?....wow, what driving gods we must all be. I'm in hallowed company here. FWIW I can't tell the difference between the last gen cayman I had and my current 991 in terms of steering feel. But my god, on track the cayman could dance! Crap brakes though. And PDK in the 991 is better than manual. No matter how quick you think you can change gear pdk can do it quicker!
The cayman was quite like my elise in many ways, just better!
Porsche cars seem to get the hate since the prices went up for the 911.
It's really funny reading people slagging off the electric steering, and pdk box, how many of you have actually driven these cars?....wow, what driving gods we must all be. I'm in hallowed company here. FWIW I can't tell the difference between the last gen cayman I had and my current 991 in terms of steering feel. But my god, on track the cayman could dance! Crap brakes though. And PDK in the 991 is better than manual. No matter how quick you think you can change gear pdk can do it quicker!
The cayman was quite like my elise in many ways, just better!
DoubleSix said:
While we're talking pedals the 987s throttle was the thing that annoyed me most about the car... not so much unresponsive as dead in the water.
Yes, we have a Gen 2 S & the lack of response from the pedal drives me mad. It's dangerous: from low revs, you poke the pedal & you never know whether the car is going to react or wait for WELL OVER A SECOND before it responds. This latest Cayman doesn't appeal. It will be an Evora next, for me.
Hi all,
Just wanted to contribute a little further to this, I thought it may provoke a few comments!
On the pedal weights subject, it seemed ideal for the road; probably should have added that. They don't feel like race car responsive but it just seemed to work for driving on the road. They feel in sync, even if you can't make millimetric adjustments. I will concede light but I enjoyed that.
The gearing is long. However, the joy with the manual is it can be rewarding when you're not going balls out. It has been mentioned before (Henry at evo I believe) that the Cayman has a great engine and gearbox but it's very seldom that both can be enjoyed. I still maintain manual is the gearbox of choice though.
And the media reviews aren't biased. Don't be ridiculous. If a car is good we will say so. Personally I still just, just prefer the Evora.
Finally, having followed a 911 around in one of these, they really don't look that similar. And I would have a Cayman over a 911 regardless of the cost.
I've been through again to check for mistakes, apologies for initial errors.
Matt
Just wanted to contribute a little further to this, I thought it may provoke a few comments!
On the pedal weights subject, it seemed ideal for the road; probably should have added that. They don't feel like race car responsive but it just seemed to work for driving on the road. They feel in sync, even if you can't make millimetric adjustments. I will concede light but I enjoyed that.
The gearing is long. However, the joy with the manual is it can be rewarding when you're not going balls out. It has been mentioned before (Henry at evo I believe) that the Cayman has a great engine and gearbox but it's very seldom that both can be enjoyed. I still maintain manual is the gearbox of choice though.
And the media reviews aren't biased. Don't be ridiculous. If a car is good we will say so. Personally I still just, just prefer the Evora.
Finally, having followed a 911 around in one of these, they really don't look that similar. And I would have a Cayman over a 911 regardless of the cost.
I've been through again to check for mistakes, apologies for initial errors.
Matt
Porsches clearly aren't everyone's cup of tea, however good their entirely humourless fans think they are.
If there is a groundswell against Porsche, it would be about time. It might be something to do with Germany's only dedicated sports car maker are now using their best and brightest engineers and all their vast resources to make 2 ton VW SUVs handle.
That and forcing electric steering and, in the case of the new GT3, pdk auto boxes on their customers would be my guess. They have succeeded in abandoning the hardcore sports car drivers in favour of a much larger market less interested in cars and driving. Great for their profits but its not unreasonable to feel that something has been lost in the process.
If there is a groundswell against Porsche, it would be about time. It might be something to do with Germany's only dedicated sports car maker are now using their best and brightest engineers and all their vast resources to make 2 ton VW SUVs handle.
That and forcing electric steering and, in the case of the new GT3, pdk auto boxes on their customers would be my guess. They have succeeded in abandoning the hardcore sports car drivers in favour of a much larger market less interested in cars and driving. Great for their profits but its not unreasonable to feel that something has been lost in the process.
tony993 said:
DoubleSix said:
While we're talking pedals the 987s throttle was the thing that annoyed me most about the car... not so much unresponsive as dead in the water.
Yes, we have a Gen 2 S & the lack of response from the pedal drives me mad. It's dangerous: from low revs, you poke the pedal & you never know whether the car is going to react or wait for WELL OVER A SECOND before it responds. This latest Cayman doesn't appeal. It will be an Evora next, for me.
I'm at Silverstone on Monday with my rather poverty spec 981 Cayman S, may I invite friend "The Pits" to be my guest and see first hand what the car is all about, then you can speak with authority ? You didn't comment on McLaren using electric power steering in the P1, maybe it uses a different kind of electricity ?
rocketride said:
smilo996 said:
I find it difficult to tell apart from a 911. Is that the idea?
It just does really inspire and emotion, with it's bland styling and "you could not afford a proper 911".
Prefer a GT-R F Type, Baby Aston, 550 Marenello, M3 V8, Sagaris........
Porsche is just white goods bought by either the lobotomised, ill informed or fanatics. Helped along by biased reviews from the press. Notice how they don't ever recommend a different car at the end of any Porsche reviews mmmmmm wonder why? It just does really inspire and emotion, with it's bland styling and "you could not afford a proper 911".
Prefer a GT-R F Type, Baby Aston, 550 Marenello, M3 V8, Sagaris........
Its the equivalent of sitting in a grey room, with grey furniture, in a grey house on a grey cloudy day.
Edited by rocketride on Friday 9th May 12:15
Porsche have lost me for now, I'm afraid.
Even if the SUVs don't offend you, gear ratios, control weights and steering feel should all be spot on in these cars.
It's just rubbing salt into the wound of engine failures on Boxster, Cayman, Carrera, GT3 and even Cayenne. I had a Boxster which was wonderful but had 4 mechanical failures in 4 'spirited' drives. Not really what I grew up believing of the brand.
Feels like losing my religion, but they really set an amazing standard for a long time.
Even if the SUVs don't offend you, gear ratios, control weights and steering feel should all be spot on in these cars.
It's just rubbing salt into the wound of engine failures on Boxster, Cayman, Carrera, GT3 and even Cayenne. I had a Boxster which was wonderful but had 4 mechanical failures in 4 'spirited' drives. Not really what I grew up believing of the brand.
Feels like losing my religion, but they really set an amazing standard for a long time.
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