RE: BMW M3 and M4: Review

[NIIKME]

Sounds st.
Just like the 135 I loaned.
Seems a shame I can't move with the times but very happy to stick with the v8...

[Ollieb7]

I have two kids and they fit fine in my 1M so i don't see these, as nice as they are, as a convincing argument to change. Electric steering makes even more less appealing. I know i am lucky being happy but if you were in the market for one of these why would you buy one over the 1M that is almost depreciation proof? No doubt these will take a big hit in the first 2 as there will be loads of them before you know it..

[HoHoHo]

Patrick Bateman said:

E65Ross said:

An E39 M5 is no less subtle than an F10 M5! it has no side "vents" like the F10, the front splitter is also the same minus the T-bar and, like the F10, has no fog lights. I would say the F10 is more more subtle than the E39 or E60 to be honest....the E28 and E34 being the most subtle.

Either way, I view that as a good thing. Subtle enough that most don't bat an eyelid, those in the know still know what it is....just how it should be.

Oh - and you can't get F10 M5 wheels on a normal 5.

e39 has front fogs. I knew there were those differences but they don't tend to catch the eye like totally different wheels or mirrors. Quad exhausts used to stand out a lot more too.

I have an F10 M5 and I followed another on the M25 on Friday (rarer than you might think to have two F10 M5's together on the same piece of road!) and what struck me was how wide and big it looked from the rear, the exhausts and rear body styling looked lovely.

Totally different to any M Sport F10 on the road without any doubt.

[s m]

Ollieb7 said:

I have two kids and they fit fine in my 1M so i don't see these, as nice as they are, as a convincing argument to change. Electric steering makes even more less appealing. I know i am lucky being happy but if you were in the market for one of these why would you buy one over the 1M that is almost depreciation proof? No doubt these will take a big hit in the first 2 as there will be loads of them before you know if.

I'll reserve judgement till I hear one ..... But the 1M seems to sound a lot better.

I'm sure they'll bring out some sort of performance exhaust for them - either BMWPE or Akrapovic.

I'm sure the M3 will be quicker ....but if I had 50k I'd go for a secondhand 1M as I prefer the looks

[E65Ross]

Ollieb7 said:

....but if you were in the market for one of these why would you buy one over the 1M that is almost depreciation proof? No doubt these will take a big hit in the first 2 as there will be loads of them before you know it..

Erm, excuse my ignorance (perhaps) but this seems a bit of a daft comment.

I reckon you'd buy a new one of these over a 1M because you can't buy a new 1M.....or am I missing something?

There are 400 (or was it 450?) 1Ms in the UK, far from all of those are for sale and they sell a LOT more than 450 M3s in the UK. I can see your point from YOUR point of view, in which case you should have worded it "if I were in the market..." rather than "if you were in the market...", no?

[Mermaid]

E65Ross said:

Erm, excuse my ignorance (perhaps) but this seems a bit of a daft comment.

I reckon you'd buy a new one of these over a 1M because you can't buy a new 1M.....or am I missing something?

There are 400 (or was it 450?) 1Ms in the UK, far from all of those are for sale and they sell a LOT more than 450 M3s in the UK. I can see your point from YOUR point of view, in which case you should have worded it "if I were in the market..." rather than "if you were in the market...", no?

So are you buying one of these?

[E65Ross]

Mermaid said:

E65Ross said:

Erm, excuse my ignorance (perhaps) but this seems a bit of a daft comment.

I reckon you'd buy a new one of these over a 1M because you can't buy a new 1M.....or am I missing something?

There are 400 (or was it 450?) 1Ms in the UK, far from all of those are for sale and they sell a LOT more than 450 M3s in the UK. I can see your point from YOUR point of view, in which case you should have worded it "if I were in the market..." rather than "if you were in the market...", no?

So are you buying one of these?

yes

[Mermaid]

E65Ross said:

yes

I was under the impression.you would be buying the e92 M3. So it is the 1M or the M3/M4?

[Welshbeef]

toniestark said:

£20k in 4 years time, eh i dont think so...

Any PCPs on these yet with GFV after 4 years @15k pa?


When did the E92 M3 drop below £30k?

[Caviar]

Is it me or does that engine sound as if there is a little pipe sneaking its way from the plenium intake chamber to the interior for some audio slavery? It will be a hit this one.

[Wills2]

Mermaid said:

So are you buying one of these?

What are you buying Mermaid? Or in fact what do you drive out of interest?

[Wills2]

Ollieb7 said:

I have two kids and they fit fine in my 1M so i don't see these, as nice as they are, as a convincing argument to change. Electric steering makes even more less appealing. I know i am lucky being happy but if you were in the market for one of these why would you buy one over the 1M that is almost depreciation proof? No doubt these will take a big hit in the first 2 as there will be loads of them before you know it..

I'd buy one over an 1M because despite the flares it still looks like a motorised hat to me.

[E30M3SE]

Caviar said:

Is it me or does that engine sound as if there is a little pipe sneaking its way from the plenium intake chamber to the interior for some audio slavery? It will be a hit this one.

No pipe from plenum, it's easier than that, there's synthesized sounds played into cabin via cars audio system, same as M5/6.........

[HoHoHo]

E30M3SE said:

Caviar said:

Is it me or does that engine sound as if there is a little pipe sneaking its way from the plenium intake chamber to the interior for some audio slavery? It will be a hit this one.

No pipe from plenum, it's easier than that, there's synthesized sounds played into cabin via cars audio system, same as M5/6.........

And it does the job very well and those who (in general) tend to moan about it haven't been in an M5/6

[g3org3y]

Want.

[EricE]

A M4 in mineral grey drove past me on the Autobahn coming from Munich today. Couldn’t believe my eyes.
I was in a old '61 Lancia and managed to overtake it by accelerating until the valves bounced and then freewheeled downhill Saab-96 style in what may or may not have been a speed limited zone.

Beautiful, beautiful car. Color suits it very well.

[E65Ross]

Mermaid said:

E65Ross said:

yes

I was under the impression.you would be buying the e92 M3. So it is the 1M or the M3/M4?

I was being sarcastic. Whether I'm buying on or not.....how on earth has that any bearing at all on the point I was making about why people would buy one over a 1M? 450 1Ms or whatever in the UK, far more demand for M3s.....so if all prospective M3/4 owners should get 1Ms.....well, that'll work well

HoHoHo said:

E30M3SE said:

Caviar said:

Is it me or does that engine sound as if there is a little pipe sneaking its way from the plenium intake chamber to the interior for some audio slavery? It will be a hit this one.

No pipe from plenum, it's easier than that, there's synthesized sounds played into cabin via cars audio system, same as M5/6.........

And it does the job very well and those who (in general) tend to moan about it haven't been in an M5/6

Whilst I agree you can't actually tell it comes through the speakers (I've only experienced it through the almost £4k-option of the B&O stereo....which is bloody magnificent, I might add) it still doesn't sound that good on the M6 in my opinion. It's not rubbish when compared to 99% of cars on the road by any means, but it's pretty rubbish compared to 99% of other cars in this price bracket.

I'd bet my life on it that if people weren't told that the sound came through the speakers than 99% or more wouldn't have a clue it was coming through the speakers. I'm sure, HoHoHo, you'll agree with that?

[g3org3y]

E65Ross said:

Mermaid said:

E65Ross said:

Erm, excuse my ignorance (perhaps) but this seems a bit of a daft comment.

I reckon you'd buy a new one of these over a 1M because you can't buy a new 1M.....or am I missing something?

There are 400 (or was it 450?) 1Ms in the UK, far from all of those are for sale and they sell a LOT more than 450 M3s in the UK. I can see your point from YOUR point of view, in which case you should have worded it "if I were in the market..." rather than "if you were in the market...", no?

So are you buying one of these?

yes

What spec have you opted for?

[HoHoHo]

I had a 997 without PSE prior to my M5 and also a 335i (on a 61 plate) and to be honest the M5 makes no less noise than either windows down and driving around.

I'm not really sure what some owners/posters are after, the F10 M5 without doubt has sufficient noise within the cabin without becoming annoying and I understand from friends it sound bloody awesome from the outside, especially when in M2 which opens the butterfly valves on the end of the pipes. That is also very noticeable within the cabin, be it piped or real.

I do open my window to listen when I can (especially through tunnels) but let's face it, those who own a £150k fezza do the same and there engine noise isn't piped as far as I know!

[E30M3SE]

E65Ross said:

Mermaid said:

E65Ross said:

yes

I was under the impression.you would be buying the e92 M3. So it is the 1M or the M3/M4?

I was being sarcastic. Whether I'm buying on or not.....how on earth has that any bearing at all on the point I was making about why people would buy one over a 1M? 450 1Ms or whatever in the UK, far more demand for M3s.....so if all prospective M3/4 owners should get 1Ms.....well, that'll work well

HoHoHo said:

E30M3SE said:

Caviar said:

Is it me or does that engine sound as if there is a little pipe sneaking its way from the plenium intake chamber to the interior for some audio slavery? It will be a hit this one.

No pipe from plenum, it's easier than that, there's synthesized sounds played into cabin via cars audio system, same as M5/6.........

And it does the job very well and those who (in general) tend to moan about it haven't been in an M5/6

Whilst I agree you can't actually tell it comes through the speakers (I've only experienced it through the almost £4k-option of the B&O stereo....which is bloody magnificent, I might add) it still doesn't sound that good on the M6 in my opinion. It's not rubbish when compared to 99% of cars on the road by any means, but it's pretty rubbish compared to 99% of other cars in this price bracket.

I'd bet my life on it that if people weren't told that the sound came through the speakers than 99% or more wouldn't have a clue it was coming through the speakers. I'm sure, HoHoHo, you'll agree with that?

The fact that these cars need such devices is the disappointing bit for me, but each to ones own.