RE: Alpina D3 Bi-Turbo: Driven
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. It does not drive handle or sound like a diesel.
Ashok said:
I'm an original owner and I've just hit 110,000 miles in my E90 Alpina D3.. fabulous fabulous cars!! Really surprised that there aren't more of them around.. M cars are common as muck compared to these. I had a play in the new B3 and it's just TOO fast (190mph).. far classier than an M3 too (flame suit on) 
I ran an 06 Plate D3 for 4 Years to 165k miles when it came time to part in in I believe it was the highest mileage one in the country and they consequently had no idea what to value it at. Utterly Brilliant Cars if only they did one with 250bhp for 10k less it would be perfect (for me) That's a bit harsh. Did you check? The old 335d had two turbos, the new six cylinder diesels have a single twin-scroll turbo with variable geometry. It's on the BWM website here: www.bmw.co.uk/en_GB/new-vehicles/3/saloon/2011/eng... The journalist is accurate.
Waitey said:
"We'll come to exactly what the ludicrous torque feels like shortly, but there are some very other important numbers to consider with D3. BMW may have reverted to a single turbo for 35d cars but Alpina still prefers a twin-turbo arrangement; the intercooler is 20 per cent larger than a 35d and breathing tweaks reduce induction air pressure by 30 per cent."
Come on PH it isn't hard to get things right these days....
The normal 335d engine has two turbos....
Come on PH it isn't hard to get things right these days....
The normal 335d engine has two turbos....
Strider said:
That's a bit harsh. Did you check? The old 335d had two turbos, the new six cylinder diesels have a single twin-scroll turbo with variable geometry. It's on the BWM website here: www.bmw.co.uk/en_GB/new-vehicles/3/saloon/2011/eng... The journalist is accurate.
No, the F30 335d does have two turbos.Waitey said:
"We'll come to exactly what the ludicrous torque feels like shortly, but there are some very other important numbers to consider with D3. BMW may have reverted to a single turbo for 35d cars but Alpina still prefers a twin-turbo arrangement; the intercooler is 20 per cent larger than a 35d and breathing tweaks reduce induction air pressure by 30 per cent."
Come on PH it isn't hard to get things right these days....
The normal 335d engine has two turbos....
Come on PH it isn't hard to get things right these days....
The normal 335d engine has two turbos....
Matt, you should contact BMW and tell them that both their press kit and their website are wrong. This is cut from the description of this engine on BMW.co.uk:
'latest generation of common rail direct injection with a turbocharger with variable turbine geometry'
This refers to 'a' turbo, which clearly means one turbo. The confusion is because it is confusingly called a TwinPower system because it has twin scrolls, which is two inlets designed to even out the induction pulses. Two scrolls, one turbo.
'latest generation of common rail direct injection with a turbocharger with variable turbine geometry'
This refers to 'a' turbo, which clearly means one turbo. The confusion is because it is confusingly called a TwinPower system because it has twin scrolls, which is two inlets designed to even out the induction pulses. Two scrolls, one turbo.
Mattt said:
Strider said:
That's a bit harsh. Did you check? The old 335d had two turbos, the new six cylinder diesels have a single twin-scroll turbo with variable geometry. It's on the BWM website here: www.bmw.co.uk/en_GB/new-vehicles/3/saloon/2011/eng... The journalist is accurate.
No, the F30 335d does have two turbos.Waitey said:
"We'll come to exactly what the ludicrous torque feels like shortly, but there are some very other important numbers to consider with D3. BMW may have reverted to a single turbo for 35d cars but Alpina still prefers a twin-turbo arrangement; the intercooler is 20 per cent larger than a 35d and breathing tweaks reduce induction air pressure by 30 per cent."
Come on PH it isn't hard to get things right these days....
The normal 335d engine has two turbos....
Come on PH it isn't hard to get things right these days....
The normal 335d engine has two turbos....
Mattt is correct. The 35d unit has a pair of turbos. A little one on the top side of the exhaust manifold and a big one bolted to ports on the underside.
Where Aplina differ from BMW is on their forced induction petrol sixes. The current B3 (N55 based) has a twin turbo setup, rather than a single twin-scroll like the 335i. The previous generation B3 used the N54 in both the early B3 and later B3S models even BMW switched to the N55 for the E9x 335i models. The build sheet for a B3S shows it starting life as a 335i SE LCI with a special equipment order N54 motor and ancillaries.
Where Aplina differ from BMW is on their forced induction petrol sixes. The current B3 (N55 based) has a twin turbo setup, rather than a single twin-scroll like the 335i. The previous generation B3 used the N54 in both the early B3 and later B3S models even BMW switched to the N55 for the E9x 335i models. The build sheet for a B3S shows it starting life as a 335i SE LCI with a special equipment order N54 motor and ancillaries.
griffdude said:
I've got an '07 D3 Touring & absolutely love it. The ride/grip/handling combo is simply amazing. The only downside is at the time they didn't come with all the bells & whistles, which this new model solves. I shall be ordering the new version shortly- even the Mrs approves
Oddly enough I bought mine because it didn't have all the bells and whistles. I can't stand all that pointless tat in cars. Doesn't look like I'd get the option with the new one. That's progress for you...foxhounduk said:
I have an e92 335d coupe with a stage 2.
380bhp and 521 lb/ft torque. Thats over 800Nm of torque.
Devestatingly fast. So so fast.
I have had many fast cars but nothing quite like this. The article said it well. You literally have no idea how you cover so much ground. Slight tap of the pedal and you're at 70mph and the road is finished.
And on the motorway, want to overtake me? Don't even bother. I can be crusing at 70mph and a slight squeeze of the throttle and anything but a Brabus is annihilated. I'll be in front of you, 100 yards ahead.
Having owned a very quick 535d and AMG Mercedes, I'm assuming you're having a laugh. 380bhp and 521 lb/ft torque. Thats over 800Nm of torque.
Devestatingly fast. So so fast.
I have had many fast cars but nothing quite like this. The article said it well. You literally have no idea how you cover so much ground. Slight tap of the pedal and you're at 70mph and the road is finished.
And on the motorway, want to overtake me? Don't even bother. I can be crusing at 70mph and a slight squeeze of the throttle and anything but a Brabus is annihilated. I'll be in front of you, 100 yards ahead.
Lovely car, but if I had the money I would still buy the petrol variant. Its economical enough and will rev to 7000....not knocking the diesel though, this sort of performance and economy was unimaginable 15 years ago from a diesel...to think the original 330d was so lauded at the time but only had 184 BHP...
What a great time we live in incredible performance diesels Tesla's giving 300mile ranges and 4 odd seconds to 60mph F11 M5's with near on 600bhp doing best part of 30mpg
So much technology and so much choice a true golden era for cars.
Wonder in 15 years time how things will look and I'd wager the game will have leaped on again.
So much technology and so much choice a true golden era for cars.
Wonder in 15 years time how things will look and I'd wager the game will have leaped on again.
All well and and good until you try and buy one. Spent a whole day driving to Nottingham and back. Great test drive, so decided to pull the trigger.
60,000 with options, 10,000 down, pcp over 2 years, 15,000 miles pa with a gmfv.
So far so good.
1,579.66 per month with gmfv 22,568.45
Gosh!
I walked.
60,000 with options, 10,000 down, pcp over 2 years, 15,000 miles pa with a gmfv.
So far so good.
1,579.66 per month with gmfv 22,568.45
Gosh!
I walked.
breadvan said:
All well and and good until you try and buy one. Spent a whole day driving to Nottingham and back. Great test drive, so decided to pull the trigger.
60,000 with options, 10,000 down, pcp over 2 years, 15,000 miles pa with a gmfv.
So far so good.
1,579.66 per month with gmfv 22,568.45
Gosh!
I walked.
Eek! You could get a 330d and a new M3 for less than that!60,000 with options, 10,000 down, pcp over 2 years, 15,000 miles pa with a gmfv.
So far so good.
1,579.66 per month with gmfv 22,568.45
Gosh!
I walked.
breadvan said:
All well and and good until you try and buy one. Spent a whole day driving to Nottingham and back. Great test drive, so decided to pull the trigger.
60,000 with options, 10,000 down, pcp over 2 years, 15,000 miles pa with a gmfv.
So far so good.
1,579.66 per month with gmfv 22,568.45
Gosh!
I walked.
Wow.... What APR was that? They must have assumed you're a footballer??60,000 with options, 10,000 down, pcp over 2 years, 15,000 miles pa with a gmfv.
So far so good.
1,579.66 per month with gmfv 22,568.45
Gosh!
I walked.
For comparison I've just bought a brand new 640d. List with options was 75k (minus 22k 'deposit contribution').
12k in, just over 20k GFV.....500/month.
Took a bit of negotiation but if you really want the car, I can hook up you with my dealer....
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