RE: Alpina D3 Bi-Turbo: Driven
Discussion
BeirutTaxi said:
No, no, no, no and no RE: Torque.
Complete red herring. It's power at the wheels that determines the acceleration.
Turbocharged cars produce more torque across more of the rev range, meaning ultimately that more power is generated for any given revs.
Put it this way, you could have an engine producing 5252 lb/ft of torque and at a maximum of 1rpm.
The end result is.. 1 bhp.
It wouldn't be very fast.
Yes, but that doesn't relate to the subject at hand i.e the D3 as that does have revs and does 62 as quick as my m3 and uses half the fuel. Complete red herring. It's power at the wheels that determines the acceleration.
Turbocharged cars produce more torque across more of the rev range, meaning ultimately that more power is generated for any given revs.
Put it this way, you could have an engine producing 5252 lb/ft of torque and at a maximum of 1rpm.
The end result is.. 1 bhp.
It wouldn't be very fast.
Impressive numbers and riding that wave of torque would make it very relaxing to drive.
B17NNS said:
It is a BMW.
With some chavy tat stuck on.
The words of someone who hasn't driven one. Its far from it, yes the styling bits are down to personal taste but they do so much to the base car to make it an Alpina and the end result is stunning for the roads. With some chavy tat stuck on.
My dads has his for a about 5 weeks now and loves it, same spec as the feature car just without the awful window tints. As for economy, it will actually do 50mpg + on motorway runs which is incredible. Even every day driving its still returning 44mpg in comparison with his previous 245 330d e92!!
Stop the bus! 4.6 secs 0-60 - not long ago that was supercar territory. And being a diesel you just know that the midrange performance will be equal to something much faster. I love petrol engines but diesel is not just a head choice. Surfing all that torque is one of the great motoring joys in my humble opinion. Sure, real world economy will be 40mpg but that still makes this a continent eating machine. Very impressive that the spring rate changes do not ruin the ride too. Well done Alpina and respect to BMW for allowing them to raid the parts bin.
WCZ said:
the only diesel company car that's worth having, apart from perhaps an S class
Yep... would have been my next company motor following the impreza if I hadn't moved out of the UK, I've rated the D3 ever since Ant and Pete used one for one of the Gumballs years ago.The latest one looks cracking, blue saloon for me please.
renaultgeek said:
I love this but I really don't like alpina wheels. Am I alone in that?
Page 3 of an Alpina thread and the wheels finally get a mention...must be a recordFWIW I though the engine was crackers in the much larger D5. In the D3 its just insane and good for over 180 on the autobahn. Apparently.
Gorbyrev said:
And being a diesel you just know that the midrange performance will be equal to something much faster. I love petrol engines but diesel is not just a head choice. Surfing all that torque is one of the great motoring joys in my humble opinion. Sure, real world economy will be 40mpg but that still makes this a continent eating machine.
What torque gives you is in-gear flexibility, but diesel engines are horrid in their delivery and sound. Sure, they're great for lazy overtaking but not sporty in any sense. I can't wait to get back into a n.a. high revving petrol engine. Edited by CJP80 on Wednesday 14th May 13:36
BeirutTaxi said:
It's a disel, and diesel is justified with logic.
Money no object, you would take the petrol.
Money not really an object, I had the choice between a 335i and 330D, only do about 10k a year, and I chose the diesel. Reason? torque... I preferred the power delivery of the diesel in this car, which is a fairly heavy family estate car. Previous car was a 996 911, and prior to that I had a 330i E91 for 6 years. Money no object, you would take the petrol.
If I had the money, I'd have looked seriously at the D3, but given I managed to negotiate 20% off the 330D list price then the difference is pretty massive.
Really good to see Alpina doing this with sdrive and not insisting on xdrive.
Makes my 280bhp B3 Touring with an average of 24MPG feel even more antiquated! Still, happy I've a NA petrol straight 6 Alpina-tuned engine fitted.
I think there's a few being sold as Tourings, need more sold to keep prices down (and availability up) for me to search for in a few years
I think there's a few being sold as Tourings, need more sold to keep prices down (and availability up) for me to search for in a few years
How much for a 3 series with a diesel engine???
Peformance and economy are very impressive, but for that price they really should be.
Personally I think this makes the new M3 look like a bargain, and a 2 year old V8 M3 look like an absolute steal.
This doesnt float my boat in the slightest.
Sounds like they've taken a decent automatic diesel saloon car and made it into a slightly better automatic diesel saloon car. All very commendable I'm sure, but still near the bottom of the list of cars I'd like to drive.
Great if have to cover an enormous number of miles on the motorway though, I guess.
Great if have to cover an enormous number of miles on the motorway though, I guess.
Edited by kambites on Wednesday 14th May 14:03
Article said:
BMW may have reverted to a single turbo for 35d cars but Alpina still prefers a twin-turbo arrangement
Wasn't the E90 D3 a single-turbo? I was fortunate enough to stumble across a brand-new blue B5 Touring yesterday, it looked fantastic. The same engine as this D3 appears in the D5, which I think is more successful in terms of style and presence but ups the price tag into new 991 territory. There's something about Alpinas I just love, maybe it's because I'm a sucker for blue dials, or that they go under the radar and aren't so common. I hope these sell, so I can pick one up in a few years as I can't stretch to the high price tag, but then it's no ordinary 3 series oil burner. Consider that 0-60 is quicker than an E39 M5. And you can get 50mpg. Think about that for a moment.
I have an e92 335d coupe with a stage 2.
380bhp and 521 lb/ft torque. Thats over 800Nm of torque.
Devestatingly fast. So so fast.
I have had many fast cars but nothing quite like this. The article said it well. You literally have no idea how you cover so much ground. Slight tap of the pedal and you're at 70mph and the road is finished.
And on the motorway, want to overtake me? Don't even bother. I can be crusing at 70mph and a slight squeeze of the throttle and anything but a Brabus is annihilated. I'll be in front of you, 100 yards ahead.
380bhp and 521 lb/ft torque. Thats over 800Nm of torque.
Devestatingly fast. So so fast.
I have had many fast cars but nothing quite like this. The article said it well. You literally have no idea how you cover so much ground. Slight tap of the pedal and you're at 70mph and the road is finished.
And on the motorway, want to overtake me? Don't even bother. I can be crusing at 70mph and a slight squeeze of the throttle and anything but a Brabus is annihilated. I'll be in front of you, 100 yards ahead.
foxhounduk said:
I have an e92 335d coupe with a stage 2.
380bhp and 521 lb/ft torque. Thats over 800Nm of torque.
Devestatingly fast. So so fast.
I have had many fast cars but nothing quite like this. The article said it well. You literally have no idea how you cover so much ground. Slight tap of the pedal and you're at 70mph and the road is finished.
And on the motorway, want to overtake me? Don't even bother. I can be crusing at 70mph and a slight squeeze of the throttle and anything but a Brabus is annihilated. I'll be in front of you, 100 yards ahead.
Oh god, what have you started? Put your flame suit on!380bhp and 521 lb/ft torque. Thats over 800Nm of torque.
Devestatingly fast. So so fast.
I have had many fast cars but nothing quite like this. The article said it well. You literally have no idea how you cover so much ground. Slight tap of the pedal and you're at 70mph and the road is finished.
And on the motorway, want to overtake me? Don't even bother. I can be crusing at 70mph and a slight squeeze of the throttle and anything but a Brabus is annihilated. I'll be in front of you, 100 yards ahead.
British Beef said:
How much for a 3 series with a diesel engine???
Peformance and economy are very impressive, but for that price they really should be.
Personally I think this makes the new M3 look like a bargain, and a 2 year old V8 M3 look like an absolute steal.
This doesnt float my boat in the slightest.
And a well specced Golf GTD is £34k with a measly 4 pot. For new cars there no such thing as a bargain anymore!Peformance and economy are very impressive, but for that price they really should be.
Personally I think this makes the new M3 look like a bargain, and a 2 year old V8 M3 look like an absolute steal.
This doesnt float my boat in the slightest.
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