RE: Tesla Model S: Review
Discussion
EV owners currently enjoy the benefits of (perceived) low cost ownership compared to combustion cars but how long will this last? They are probably praying the take up is limited to a small minority of EV evangelists as once it goes mainstream the new vehicle/fuel schemes will kick in.
How will the government tax vehicles in the future? Many schemes are currently being worked on such as paying an annual tax for the battery and then taxing extra per battery charge or distance travelled.
Also, other techologies will be adopted in line with taxing, such as all batteries will have telemetry software to measure the usage. No doubt this will also be used to gather other data, speed for instance.
Those early adopters should cherish this small window of driving a car free from taxation because it certainly won't last.
How will the government tax vehicles in the future? Many schemes are currently being worked on such as paying an annual tax for the battery and then taxing extra per battery charge or distance travelled.
Also, other techologies will be adopted in line with taxing, such as all batteries will have telemetry software to measure the usage. No doubt this will also be used to gather other data, speed for instance.
Those early adopters should cherish this small window of driving a car free from taxation because it certainly won't last.
dino ferrana said:
Someone said the leccy bill goes up, yes it will, but a full charge on a Leaf or i3 is about £2 ish, probably about £6.50 on a Model S.
At 15p/kwh, the i3's 18.8kwh battery will cost £2.80, the Leaf's 24kwh £3.60, and the Model S's 85kwh monster will cost £12.75Great.
BUT... let's not forget that the Gov't receive somewhere around £30bn in fuel duty per year. Unless there's a non-negligible amount of shift from internal combustion to electric, how's that gap going to be filled? That fuel duty income is about 5% of the total Gov't annual expenditure - or a third of the total NHS budget.
FlukePlay said:
EV owners currently enjoy the benefits of (perceived) low cost ownership compared to combustion cars but how long will this last? They are probably praying the take up is limited to a small minority of EV evangelists as once it goes mainstream the new vehicle/fuel schemes will kick in.
How will the government tax vehicles in the future? Many schemes are currently being worked on such as paying an annual tax for the battery and then taxing extra per battery charge or distance travelled.
Also, other techologies will be adopted in line with taxing, such as all batteries will have telemetry software to measure the usage. No doubt this will also be used to gather other data, speed for instance.
Those early adopters should cherish this small window of driving a car free from taxation because it certainly won't last.
There can be no doubt that if/when EV's become popular the government will need to raise a similar amount of revenue as they lost from the switch. You would have to be an idiot to argue otherwise.How will the government tax vehicles in the future? Many schemes are currently being worked on such as paying an annual tax for the battery and then taxing extra per battery charge or distance travelled.
Also, other techologies will be adopted in line with taxing, such as all batteries will have telemetry software to measure the usage. No doubt this will also be used to gather other data, speed for instance.
Those early adopters should cherish this small window of driving a car free from taxation because it certainly won't last.
I want an electric car to replace my daily driver but the current low cost is a bonus, not the main reason.
98elise said:
There can be no doubt that if/when EV's become popular the government will need to raise a similar amount of revenue as they lost from the switch. You would have to be an idiot to argue otherwise.
I want an electric car to replace my daily driver but the current low cost is a bonus, not the main reason.
<applause>I want an electric car to replace my daily driver but the current low cost is a bonus, not the main reason.
And let's not forget HMRC starting to tax workplace charging for private mileage as a benefit-in-kind, too.
TBH, it's difficult to see how it'd be done without moving towards that much-hated concept of road pricing.
TooMany2cvs said:
<applause>
And let's not forget HMRC starting to tax workplace charging for private mileage as a benefit-in-kind, too.
TBH, it's difficult to see how it'd be done without moving towards that much-hated concept of road pricing.
Here's a wild idea... how about the government stops taxing us so fAnd let's not forget HMRC starting to tax workplace charging for private mileage as a benefit-in-kind, too.
TBH, it's difficult to see how it'd be done without moving towards that much-hated concept of road pricing.
king much?Debaser said:
Anything you plug in can take advantage of economy 7, so you can charge your EV with cheaper electricity overnight.
Hmm, that's not how the setups I've used have worked - my parents used to use it for night storage heaters and they were on an entirely separate meter with its own consumer unit. Things like the lights and ring mains couldn't be used at the lower rates. FlukePlay said:
How will the government tax vehicles in the future?
The tax on freedom of movement will always be there. It will eventually have to be pay per mile or a prohibitively expensive successor to VED. They cannot tax the electricity for electric cars as it is the same stuff used for heating and lighting and people able to would just install solar panels as soon as the numbers hit the tipping point. The alternative is that they find the money from elsewhere in the tax system, but non-driving city dwellers would never stand for it...ging84 said:
302hp 120mph top speed
362hp 125mph top speed
416hp 130mph top speed
something tells me the hp figures need a * they seem a bit like broadband speed figures
there is no way in hell it take 302hp to push that thing along at 120mph unless it happens to be towing a high top van
Fixed single ratio gearbox. Think about it.362hp 125mph top speed
416hp 130mph top speed
something tells me the hp figures need a * they seem a bit like broadband speed figures
there is no way in hell it take 302hp to push that thing along at 120mph unless it happens to be towing a high top van
dod said:
canucklehead said:
Mr Gear said:
canucklehead said:
Stuff
Yeah, all that stuff has been discussed to death on different threads, and has absolutely nothing to do with the Tesla S road test.
I could post a load of crap in every car review about how fossil fuels are polluting, unsustainable, expensive blah, blah blah... but quite frankly it would get boring pretty quickly.
Why people feel they need to do the same thing in EV reviews regarding electricity generation is beyond me. These debates really have nothing to do with the car itself.
mikEsprit said:
Mr Gear said:
mikEsprit said:
The car is nothing more than an expensive work commuter at this point since you can't do any real traveling with it. No thanks.
Ridiculous. I could drive one from London to Silverstone, do multiple laps of the track and then drive it home again without charging it.I could drive it from London to Newcastle without stopping. I could drive it to bloody Aberdeen in a day if I used a "supercharger" station for a few minutes on the way (and I'd certainly want to stretch my legs on that journey anyway!).
Honestly, what more do you want? My petrol-powered car has a range barely 50 miles more than a Tesla S.
DiscoColin said:
Fixed single ratio gearbox. Think about it.
This is the problem, no gearboxunlike a normal car where your gearbox allows you to make use of the best part of the power band at several speeds
this you only have full power until you reach the top of the motor's power curve, then the power starts to drop away, just when you need it the most
ging84 said:
DiscoColin said:
Fixed single ratio gearbox. Think about it.
This is the problem, no gearboxunlike a normal car where your gearbox allows you to make use of the best part of the power band at several speeds
this you only have full power until you reach the top of the motor's power curve, then the power starts to drop away, just when you need it the most
ging84 said:
DonkeyApple said:
Erm, it's an electric motor.
do you think i thought it was a rocket motor?The downside for single speed an EV is that it will get to maximum revs at a relatively low speed for a 400bhp car. If you want a car with gears that can go 160+ then an EV is possibly not for you.
Personally top speed doesn't interest me, acceleration does
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