The BAD PARKING thread [vol3]

[Jagmanv12]

swerni said:

Self important tt Audi driver

Oh sh-t that's my local car park. I better watch how I park in case you're around.

As somebody else has posted the spaces are fairly tight for the larger cars of today.

[mybrainhurts]

[blueg33]

fatboy18 said:

rambo19 said:

TBH, I don't see what the supermarkets can do about bad parking.

Its easy, Reduce the number of small parking spaces, Re paint lines to make spaces bigger (like they do at Costco, Include an area where LWB Vans can also park(longer and wider spaces) this will stop vans taking up two or more spaces

You will not get less customers In fact you may get more because its easier to park

They could also introduce CCTV to cover known trouble spots, Parent and toddler parking, Disabled bays. Near the shop. Anyone caught using them could face a warning and fine.

Easy.

Car parking numbers are dictated by planners. To make wider spaces you need more free land. That means dither a bigger site of a smaller store. It is also hard to address on existing asset which could be 20 plus years old.

Cars have got much larger over 20 years the car park has stayed the same size.

As for the Audi, it is possible he parked like that out of consideration for the van driver. There could have been something in the space next to him like am abandoned trolley of a motorbike, or he could just be a knob. We will never know.

[fatboy18]

blueg33 said:

fatboy18 said:

rambo19 said:

TBH, I don't see what the supermarkets can do about bad parking.

Its easy, Reduce the number of small parking spaces, Re paint lines to make spaces bigger (like they do at Costco, Include an area where LWB Vans can also park(longer and wider spaces) this will stop vans taking up two or more spaces

You will not get less customers In fact you may get more because its easier to park

They could also introduce CCTV to cover known trouble spots, Parent and toddler parking, Disabled bays. Near the shop. Anyone caught using them could face a warning and fine.

Easy.

Car parking numbers are dictated by planners. To make wider spaces you need more free land. That means dither a bigger site of a smaller store. It is also hard to address on existing asset which could be 20 plus years old.

Cars have got much larger over 20 years the car park has stayed the same size.

As for the Audi, it is possible he parked like that out of consideration for the van driver. There could have been something in the space next to him like am abandoned trolley of a motorbike, or he could just be a knob. We will never know.

"TO MAKE WIDER SPACES YOU NEED MORE LAND" sorry but that is not true, what I am saying is instead of cramming as many spaces as possible into the area, you REDUCE to amount of current spaces and repaint the lines making the spaces wider, this may mean you have 50 less spaces (overall) perhaps more, but its not that often supermarket car parks are full to the brim, sure they have their peak moments but in the long run it would make the shopping experience much better. I have in the past queued up at Customer services and filled out complaint forms at Sainsburys in Epsom, moaning about the stupid size of their spaces. Nothing has been done so I choose not to shop there anymore. If more people took the time to complain instead of just putting up with things, Im sure it would change. I completely agree with you about the increase in car sizes and your right saying spaces have not increased in size, However as I said Costco has taken the position of making bigger spaces, so if they can do it I'm sure the others could too.

Edited by fatboy18 on Tuesday 4th November 08:17

[herewego]

fatboy18 said:

TO MAKE WIDER SPACES YOU NEED MORE LAND" sorry but that is not true, what I am saying is instead of cramming as many spaces as possible into the area, you REDUCE to amount of current spaces and repaint the lines making the spaces wider, this may mean you have 50 less spaces (overall) perhaps more, but its not that often supermarket car parks are full to the brim, sure they have their peak moments but in the long run it would make the shopping experience much better. I have in the past queued up at Customer services and filled out complaint forms at Sainsburys in Epsom, moaning about the stupid size of their spaces. Nothing has been done so I choose not to shop there anymore. If more people took the time to complain instead of just putting up with things, Im sure it would change. I completely agree with you about the increase in car sizes and your right saying spaces have not increased in size, However as I said Costco has taken the position of making bigger spaces, so if they can do it I'm sure the others could too.

Edited by fatboy18 on Tuesday 4th November 08:17

Costco's customers are commercial folk so I expect the spaces are designed for vans. I don't think supermarkets should reduce the size just because some of their customers have chosen oversize cars. If the big car folk have them because of family size then they can use the parent and child places anyway. If they are on their own they can find a place away from the door where there are fewer cars parked leaving more room for manoeuvre while still parking in one space.

[blueg33]

fatboy18 said:

blueg33 said:

fatboy18 said:

rambo19 said:

TBH, I don't see what the supermarkets can do about bad parking.

Its easy, Reduce the number of small parking spaces, Re paint lines to make spaces bigger (like they do at Costco, Include an area where LWB Vans can also park(longer and wider spaces) this will stop vans taking up two or more spaces

You will not get less customers In fact you may get more because its easier to park

They could also introduce CCTV to cover known trouble spots, Parent and toddler parking, Disabled bays. Near the shop. Anyone caught using them could face a warning and fine.

Easy.

Car parking numbers are dictated by planners. To make wider spaces you need more free land. That means dither a bigger site of a smaller store. It is also hard to address on existing asset which could be 20 plus years old.

Cars have got much larger over 20 years the car park has stayed the same size.

As for the Audi, it is possible he parked like that out of consideration for the van driver. There could have been something in the space next to him like am abandoned trolley of a motorbike, or he could just be a knob. We will never know.

"TO MAKE WIDER SPACES YOU NEED MORE LAND" sorry but that is not true, what I am saying is instead of cramming as many spaces as possible into the area, you REDUCE to amount of current spaces and repaint the lines making the spaces wider, this may mean you have 50 less spaces (overall) perhaps more, but its not that often supermarket car parks are full to the brim, sure they have their peak moments but in the long run it would make the shopping experience much better. I have in the past queued up at Customer services and filled out complaint forms at Sainsburys in Epsom, moaning about the stupid size of their spaces. Nothing has been done so I choose not to shop there anymore. If more people took the time to complain instead of just putting up with things, Im sure it would change. I completely agree with you about the increase in car sizes and your right saying spaces have not increased in size, However as I said Costco has taken the position of making bigger spaces, so if they can do it I'm sure the others could too.

Edited by fatboy18 on Tuesday 4th November 08:17

As you like to shout

YOU MISSED MY VERY FIRST POINT and its fundamental.

Planning policy dictates the number of spaces for the size of a store. If they repaint the car park to make the spaces larger then the planning permission for the store is invalid and the company could face enforcement action. Therefore the stores CANNOT make spaces wider as they have to maintain the numbers.

The number of spaces is usually a function of the sales area of the store, thats why smaller stores have fewer spaces.

Edited by blueg33 on Tuesday 4th November 09:14

[Munter]

mybrainhurts said:

Oh bugger. By the time he changes that flat tyre his frozen stuff will start to defrost.

[Vipers]

Jagmanv12 said:

swerni said:

Self important tt Audi driver

Oh sh-t that's my local car park. I better watch how I park in case you're around.

As somebody else has posted the spaces are fairly tight for the larger cars of today.

ASDA Portlethen has just resurfaced their bays, and they are a tad bigger, not much,mbut it all helps.

[HTP99]

Spaces are tight in car parks however, I have had no issue with parking within lines; whether in a Twingo or a Trafic van, in either a multistory or a Supermarket car park and I can get out too without knocking the car next to me, people are just either lazy or they can't park if they use the excuse "spaces are too small".

Take that Audi A7 (?) if he had reversed in then he would have got within that space no problem, I can almost guarantee that he has just swung in in one go and thought "that'll do".

If you don't like parking close to others then just park further away from the store.

[Beer Man]

this is pretty crap parking.

[fatboy18]

blueg33 said:

fatboy18 said:

blueg33 said:

fatboy18 said:

rambo19 said:

TBH, I don't see what the supermarkets can do about bad parking.

Its easy, Reduce the number of small parking spaces, Re paint lines to make spaces bigger (like they do at Costco, Include an area where LWB Vans can also park(longer and wider spaces) this will stop vans taking up two or more spaces

You will not get less customers In fact you may get more because its easier to park

They could also introduce CCTV to cover known trouble spots, Parent and toddler parking, Disabled bays. Near the shop. Anyone caught using them could face a warning and fine.

Easy.

Car parking numbers are dictated by planners. To make wider spaces you need more free land. That means dither a bigger site of a smaller store. It is also hard to address on existing asset which could be 20 plus years old.

Cars have got much larger over 20 years the car park has stayed the same size.

As for the Audi, it is possible he parked like that out of consideration for the van driver. There could have been something in the space next to him like am abandoned trolley of a motorbike, or he could just be a knob. We will never know.

"TO MAKE WIDER SPACES YOU NEED MORE LAND" sorry but that is not true, what I am saying is instead of cramming as many spaces as possible into the area, you REDUCE to amount of current spaces and repaint the lines making the spaces wider, this may mean you have 50 less spaces (overall) perhaps more, but its not that often supermarket car parks are full to the brim, sure they have their peak moments but in the long run it would make the shopping experience much better. I have in the past queued up at Customer services and filled out complaint forms at Sainsburys in Epsom, moaning about the stupid size of their spaces. Nothing has been done so I choose not to shop there anymore. If more people took the time to complain instead of just putting up with things, Im sure it would change. I completely agree with you about the increase in car sizes and your right saying spaces have not increased in size, However as I said Costco has taken the position of making bigger spaces, so if they can do it I'm sure the others could too.

Edited by fatboy18 on Tuesday 4th November 08:17

As you like to shout

YOU MISSED MY VERY FIRST POINT and its fundamental.

Planning policy dictates the number of spaces for the size of a store. If they repaint the car park to make the spaces larger then the planning permission for the store is invalid and the company could face enforcement action. Therefore the stores CANNOT make spaces wider as they have to maintain the numbers.

The number of spaces is usually a function of the sales area of the store, thats why smaller stores have fewer spaces.

Sorry I was not shouting at all, I was just highlighting that piece of script from your post I will agree its part of the Planing issue, but Councils need to wake up to this problem when applications are first applied, after all it is them who finally give the go ahead to these developments.

[fatboy18]

herewego said:

Costco's customers are commercial folk so I expect the spaces are designed for vans. I don't think supermarkets should reduce the size just because some of their customers have chosen oversize cars. If the big car folk have them because of family size then they can use the parent and child places anyway. If they are on their own they can find a place away from the door where there are fewer cars parked leaving more room for manoeuvre while still parking in one space.

Almost every new car now on the road is bigger than most european cars of the 1960s/70s/80s. There has also been a massive increase in the Self employed market. There are now an enormous amount of Light Goods Vehicles on our roads, Look at the size of the Austin A40 which was for the family in the 60s, or the Original Mini, then compare those cars to what's on our roads nowadays! Sadly spaces have remained the same size, Many of Costcos customers are Not Commercial folk. You will see more Vans and Pick up trucks, people carriers in your local supermarket car park than you will at Costco.

[blueg33]

fatboy18 said:

blueg33 said:

fatboy18 said:

blueg33 said:

fatboy18 said:

rambo19 said:

TBH, I don't see what the supermarkets can do about bad parking.

Its easy, Reduce the number of small parking spaces, Re paint lines to make spaces bigger (like they do at Costco, Include an area where LWB Vans can also park(longer and wider spaces) this will stop vans taking up two or more spaces

You will not get less customers In fact you may get more because its easier to park

They could also introduce CCTV to cover known trouble spots, Parent and toddler parking, Disabled bays. Near the shop. Anyone caught using them could face a warning and fine.

Easy.

Car parking numbers are dictated by planners. To make wider spaces you need more free land. That means dither a bigger site of a smaller store. It is also hard to address on existing asset which could be 20 plus years old.

Cars have got much larger over 20 years the car park has stayed the same size.

As for the Audi, it is possible he parked like that out of consideration for the van driver. There could have been something in the space next to him like am abandoned trolley of a motorbike, or he could just be a knob. We will never know.

"TO MAKE WIDER SPACES YOU NEED MORE LAND" sorry but that is not true, what I am saying is instead of cramming as many spaces as possible into the area, you REDUCE to amount of current spaces and repaint the lines making the spaces wider, this may mean you have 50 less spaces (overall) perhaps more, but its not that often supermarket car parks are full to the brim, sure they have their peak moments but in the long run it would make the shopping experience much better. I have in the past queued up at Customer services and filled out complaint forms at Sainsburys in Epsom, moaning about the stupid size of their spaces. Nothing has been done so I choose not to shop there anymore. If more people took the time to complain instead of just putting up with things, Im sure it would change. I completely agree with you about the increase in car sizes and your right saying spaces have not increased in size, However as I said Costco has taken the position of making bigger spaces, so if they can do it I'm sure the others could too.

Edited by fatboy18 on Tuesday 4th November 08:17

As you like to shout

YOU MISSED MY VERY FIRST POINT and its fundamental.

Planning policy dictates the number of spaces for the size of a store. If they repaint the car park to make the spaces larger then the planning permission for the store is invalid and the company could face enforcement action. Therefore the stores CANNOT make spaces wider as they have to maintain the numbers.

The number of spaces is usually a function of the sales area of the store, thats why smaller stores have fewer spaces.

Sorry I was not shouting at all, I was just highlighting that piece of script from your post I will agree its part of the Planing issue, but Councils need to wake up to this problem when applications are first applied, after all it is them who finally give the go ahead to these developments.

Bold is better for highlighting

The planners can only impact new developments in that respect and generally newer supermarkets have larger spaces, but the land take is higher. Its very unlikely that Councils will relax parking standards for supermarkets, 10 years ago when they tought that taking away parking meant people wouldnt use cars, maybe, but not now.

TBH I am not sure why cars need to keep getting bigger.

[fatboy18]

blueg33 said:

TBH I am not sure why cars need to keep getting bigger.

I'm not sure either,could be to do with crumple zones? but Citroen have realised there is a problem with car parks which is why this car comes with these big plastic bits on the sides.
http://info.citroen.co.uk/new-cars/car-range/citro...

They are there to eliminate the door dings people pick up in car parks and save on repair costs, which will also reduce insurance claims. (this was the reason given to me at the Festival of Speed by the salesman on the Citroen stand).

[HTP99]

blueg33 said:

TBH I am not sure why cars need to keep getting bigger.

Safety generally, open the bonnet of a car from 10-15 years ago and have a look at where the radiator is positioned in relation to the back of the front bumper, compared to a new car now.

I have just had a look at a brand new Clio and a Clio from 2003, the new Clio the radiator is about 33cm back from the bumper, the Clio from 2003 the radiator is about 15cm back from the bumper, it is all to do with safety.

[Munter]

Side impact tests I think create the width.
Sticking with Clios
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9O1gEl0OKg

There has to be space to put all those airbags and structures and thicker seat bolsters etc, to cope with that pole test.

[fatboy18]

So this should add to the Argument that spaces should be made bigger

[mistakenplane]

Anyway!

[mistakenplane]

Perfect example of "Ill swing it in and dump it wherever I roll."

[mistakenplane]