The BAD PARKING thread [vol3]
Discussion
Baryonyx said:
ewand said:
No. If they'd been considerate, they might have parked properly, not abandoned the vehicle with lock still on the steering and the rear tyre half hanging off a kerb. What would happen if they had to get out quickly?
I assume they'd put it in reverse and use the steering wheel. Are you struggling to work this one out?405dogvan said:
Mike_Mac said:
Totally agree and it's something that's now pretty much ubiquitous in modern estates - I just can't understand the mentality of the planners/builders/whoever that think -'lets build a load of 2/3/4 bed houses here, give them a single garage that will barely fit a smart car and then leave naff-all on street parking that doesn't either block up the road or mean people pretty much have to park on the pavement.
There's an estate just being completed near here - I walk through with the dog occasionally and if you visit after 5pm, you'd think a plane carrying a load of cars had just pushed them out of the back and they'd all miraculously landed wheels down!!If you want to do small-scale development, the planning rules are pretty tight in most areas. There's a bedroom-to-parking space ratio applied (that is offstreet parking which you must provide over-and-above any street parking)
If you build a large development tho, I get the feeling you can build anything from 6' square dog kennels to giant 4 storey purple dildos, such is the lack of care from councils faced that ALL THAT EXTRA INCOME AND JOBS!!
I'm told they're building houses for approx 10,000 people in our town (approx 55-60,000 pop. right now) - they're building no new GP surgeries, no new Dentists, no new access roads (indeed they're crippling the existing ones with multiple sets of traffic lights for the new estates) or any other sort of infrastructure tho - so I kinda assume the council simply sees 'kerching' and allows anything (including garages too-small for cars and drives too-short for cars)
Mind you - another major issue is people have too many f
king cars - they buy a small 2-bed house and move-in with 3 cars and a work van (a pet peeve of mine - if you need a van, you need a van-sized parking space - not your neighbours garden)p.s. I was told the "parking issue" in the estate I mentioned above was solved by offering numbered/allocated parking around the entrance to the estate. They seriously expected people to walk 50m to their homes - yeah, they'll do that - sure - and if they don't because they'll get - errrr - no action taken if they block pavements/junctions etc. etc. so....?????
Mike_Mac said:
Totally agree and it's something that's now pretty much ubiquitous in modern estates - I just can't understand the mentality of the planners/builders/whoever that think -'lets build a load of 2/3/4 bed houses here, give them a single garage that will barely fit a smart car and then leave naff-all on street parking that doesn't either block up the road or mean people pretty much have to park on the pavement.
In my area years ago the council had a requirement of 1.5 spaces per dwelling. This is now 1.25. Obviously this is not enough and therefore loads of cars are parked on the street.The builders obviously want to maximise their investment so build as many properties as they are allowed.
2 examples near me. 1 large Edwardian house demolished and 11 2 double bedroom flats built with IIRC 12 parking spaces. 1920's 4 bedroom house with garage and driveway which would take 3 cars at a pinch. Garage demolished and 3 bed bungalow built. Planning info showed 1 garage and 1 parking space before development. Info showed 2 spaces after development. So house now has no parking space or garage and bungalow has 2 with a total of 7 bedrooms!!
In the planning info there was half a page about the garage and parking but 23 pages about trees on the property!!
The idiots at the councils are the ones to blame for people parking on pavements.
Jagmanv12 said:
Mike_Mac said:
Totally agree and it's something that's now pretty much ubiquitous in modern estates - I just can't understand the mentality of the planners/builders/whoever that think -'lets build a load of 2/3/4 bed houses here, give them a single garage that will barely fit a smart car and then leave naff-all on street parking that doesn't either block up the road or mean people pretty much have to park on the pavement.
In my area years ago the council had a requirement of 1.5 spaces per dwelling. This is now 1.25. Obviously this is not enough and therefore loads of cars are parked on the street.The builders obviously want to maximise their investment so build as many properties as they are allowed.
2 examples near me. 1 large Edwardian house demolished and 11 2 double bedroom flats built with IIRC 12 parking spaces. 1920's 4 bedroom house with garage and driveway which would take 3 cars at a pinch. Garage demolished and 3 bed bungalow built. Planning info showed 1 garage and 1 parking space before development. Info showed 2 spaces after development. So house now has no parking space or garage and bungalow has 2 with a total of 7 bedrooms!!
In the planning info there was half a page about the garage and parking but 23 pages about trees on the property!!
The idiots at the councils are the ones to blame for people parking on pavements.
Jagmanv12 said:
In my area years ago the council had a requirement of 1.5 spaces per dwelling. This is now 1.25. Obviously this is not enough and therefore loads of cars are parked on the street.
How does that work? 3 spaces per two houses? "You take the shared space sunday to wednesday noon, then its mine the rest of the week" Sound like a plan that will never lead to unhappy neighbours. Mike_Mac said:
Totally agree and it's something that's now pretty much ubiquitous in modern estates - I just can't understand the mentality of the planners/builders/whoever that think -'lets build a load of 2/3/4 bed houses here, give them a single garage that will barely fit a smart car and then leave naff-all on street parking that doesn't either block up the road or mean people pretty much have to park on the pavement.
(Not excusing the nugget in the OP, who has helpfully ensured that he also blocks off the dipped kerb for wheelchairs etc to cross, just for extra points).
In defense of the planners (at least around here), every single house on our 2001-built road has at least one (reasonably sized) garage and space for 1 or 2 cars on the driveway (mostly stacked, not side by side)(Not excusing the nugget in the OP, who has helpfully ensured that he also blocks off the dipped kerb for wheelchairs etc to cross, just for extra points).
Unfortunately, I think we're one of maybe 3 or 4 houses out of around 100 that uses our garage for a car (would be interesting to know how many have them insured as kept in garage). Even worse than that, many can't be arsed to stack so leave one on the road and just one on a double length driveway.
Sure, it's annoying sometimes when we have to shuffle cars a bit (i.e. if my wife comes home later than me but I'm leaving early the next morning), but it's a small price to pay.
irocfan said:
this is what I don't understand - surely there's a fair chunk of money to be made from parking fines too?
But not many votes Every council the UK could apply for parking control (which the Police are usually DELIGHTED to surrender) and then go out and slap tickets everywhere - but it results in lots of articles in the local press about 'greedy councils' and generally pisses people off.
There's also the fact that whilst the Highway Code sets out a lot of rules on parking, they're not actually 'law'. The Highway Code is (as I understand it - IANAL etc.) a guideline used when considering driver behaviour under other legal acts.
Thus, every case could be taken to court and argued on it's individual merits and that would cost the council a FORTUNE (likely wiping-out any profits).
Thus all they generally do is stick a load of signs in the Town Centre which make the parking rules clear and patrol that for quick/easy results.
Patrolling housing estates/residential areas would be a nightmare - I reckon 90% of cars parked in this town are probably breaking some rule of the Highway Code be it
Parked on a pavement
Parked within 30' of a junction (50%+ of residential parking right there)
Obstructing a dropped kerb (even if it's the owner of the dropped kerb!)
That said - locally we don't even police double-yellows or zigzags so...
The Moose said:
What's interesting is that some planners are saying that you can't have over x spaces per dwelling - the theory being it forces people to commute using public transport etc.
All well and good in theory. Shame public transport is ste!
I've never heard of an upper limit - plenty of lower ones but never an upper (you'd just make a lawn/garden area and let the owner pave it?)All well and good in theory. Shame public transport is s
te!Garages, of course, are not for storing cars anyway. They're for storing washing machines, dryers and boxes and boxes of s
t you should have thrown-away years ago(*)(*) also, a few women I know store their husbands in the garage ;0
Pinched from a thread here (don't get all poo pooey, thought it funny)
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Just for the record, most modern estates with limited parking is down to central government guidance PPG3 later PPS3 and Local Authority supplementary planning guidance, all of which were driven by people demanding efficient use of land, not building on greenfield etc. If you recall 15-20 years ago there was a huge fuss about developers building on greenfield sites and a huge pressure to develop brownfield. This came with minimum density requirements and maximum parking standards.
As a result we spent 15 years building houses and flats that took no consideration of what they would be like to live in.
Developers like to provide parking spaces, it makes houses easier to sell!
As a result we spent 15 years building houses and flats that took no consideration of what they would be like to live in.
Developers like to provide parking spaces, it makes houses easier to sell!
Nickyboy said:
Spent 10 mins doing a few deliveries and came back to find this twunt parked in front of me
But it's ok, they had a disabled badge
But I think some restrictions do apply, like on double yellows in a one way street which is a bus route.
But it's ok, they had a disabled badge
Then again do hazards override the lack of unloading lines
There is a god.
Was parked right hand side of the road at the start of zig zags for ped controlled lights in front of me.
Came out to a plank in his 4 x 4 porker parked in front of me very close, had to do a couple of shunts to get the nose out, when a very nice man in a police car stopped along side the porker to let me out.
As I drove off I glanced in the mirror to see one very nice police man get out to talk to the driver.
Was parked right hand side of the road at the start of zig zags for ped controlled lights in front of me.
Came out to a plank in his 4 x 4 porker parked in front of me very close, had to do a couple of shunts to get the nose out, when a very nice man in a police car stopped along side the porker to let me out.
As I drove off I glanced in the mirror to see one very nice police man get out to talk to the driver.
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