RE: PH goes hillclimbing
Discussion
GC8 said:
Definitely!
Look at this picture from Shelsey Walsh a few days ago:
That started as a touch of grass at the wrong place and it developed into a massive f
k up!
I come from a racing family and I have seen a lot of crashes and crashed cars. I realise that it doesn't happen every week, but it certainly does happen and virtually any inversion on an MX-5 will see you dead.
No, it was caused by a failure to the rear of the car, which speared it off up the bank. This also happened at about 125mph. Driver only suffered minor injuries and will be out in the rebuilt car in a few weeks. Car is a DJ firestorm which in the region of 700bhp and does 60 in about 2 seconds - the top level of hillclimbing. Look at this picture from Shelsey Walsh a few days ago:
That started as a touch of grass at the wrong place and it developed into a massive f
k up!I come from a racing family and I have seen a lot of crashes and crashed cars. I realise that it doesn't happen every week, but it certainly does happen and virtually any inversion on an MX-5 will see you dead.
It's the only sport with a complete open book, and it attracts all manner of exciting cars, from exotica to ex group B rally cars.
Been following the sport years, and I know many who compete. It's the most friendly sport imaginable, and everyone always strives to help eachother out.
First event a week Saturday!!
A shameless plug, but check www.sprintandtrackday.co.uk if you want a taster of a competitive event. We run days at curborough which are timed.
Edited by Skylinecrazy on Friday 6th June 16:40
thatdude said:
I'd quite like to have a go at hillclimbing on my motorbike. I dont plan on winning prizes. I dont even plan on finishing higher than last. But I'd like to give it a go.
How can I get involved?
My 71,000 mile SV650 is about run-in now!
http://www.nhca.co.uk this is a good place to start!How can I get involved?
My 71,000 mile SV650 is about run-in now!
Jawaman said:
Often fancied giving this a go, maybe not in the V70!!
I see there are classes for standard road cars in most events - If you were to fit a roll cage to an otherwise standard car would you end up in a modified class?
Only a few championships (mainly down south and curborough) actually run 'standard' classes, mostly they run 'road going' classes instead. If you run a forced induction car, your capacity gets multiplied by 1.4 meaning a Mini Cooper S for example, would be put into the over two litre class! I see there are classes for standard road cars in most events - If you were to fit a roll cage to an otherwise standard car would you end up in a modified class?
All of the rules are online and in the famous blue book!
Hth.
Skylinecrazy said:
Been following the sport years, and I know many who compete. It's the most friendly sport imaginable, and everyone always strives to help eachother out.
First event a week Saturday!!
A shameless plug, but check www.sprintandtrackday.co.uk if you want a taster of a competitive event. We run days at curborough which are timed.
Absolutely agree about how friendly it is, there is quite a bit of waiting around between runs but the banter and help if needed in those times makes it a really enjoyable day.First event a week Saturday!!
A shameless plug, but check www.sprintandtrackday.co.uk if you want a taster of a competitive event. We run days at curborough which are timed.
Edited by Skylinecrazy on Friday 6th June 16:40
I'm out tomorrow at Harewood in a pretty standard road car, I won't win the class (especially with the forecast rain) but it doesn't really matter. If anyone wants to know what is needed there is a quick guide on the "getting started" tab on this page - http://www.harewoodhill.com/competitors/
Skylinecrazy said:
GC8 said:
Definitely!
Look at this picture from Shelsey Walsh a few days ago:
That started as a touch of grass at the wrong place and it developed into a massive fk up!
I come from a racing family and I have seen a lot of crashes and crashed cars. I realise that it doesn't happen every week, but it certainly does happen and virtually any inversion on an MX-5 will see you dead.
No, it was caused by a failure to the rear of the car, which speared it off up the bank. This also happened at about 125mph. Driver only suffered minor injuries and will be out in the rebuilt car in a few weeks. Car is a DJ firestorm which in the region of 700bhp and does 60 in about 2 seconds - the top level of hillclimbing. Look at this picture from Shelsey Walsh a few days ago:
That started as a touch of grass at the wrong place and it developed into a massive f
k up!I come from a racing family and I have seen a lot of crashes and crashed cars. I realise that it doesn't happen every week, but it certainly does happen and virtually any inversion on an MX-5 will see you dead.
It's the only sport with a complete open book, and it attracts all manner of exciting cars, from exotica to ex group B rally cars.
Been following the sport years, and I know many who compete. It's the most friendly sport imaginable, and everyone always strives to help eachother out.
First event a week Saturday!!
A shameless plug, but check www.sprintandtrackday.co.uk if you want a taster of a competitive event. We run days at curborough which are timed.
Edited by Skylinecrazy on Friday 6th June 16:40
My first event was over 20yrs ago, btw.
I think something would have to go seriously wrong in a standard MX5 to cause death, especially at the likes of Shelsley! Apologies if it came across like I was doubting your knowledge - I wasn't. Someone else asked what car it was so I explained. If your first event was 20 years ago, maybe you can give me some tips for Prescott 
Lots of sprints in the southeast elect to run extra classes with the existing categories.
Typically a bog standard 1.6 Mk 1 would go into "roadgoing series production 1400 - 2000 cc". This would see you competing against lots of V-tech Hondas, Clip Cup cars Etc. with the option to run Trackday type tyres. Not much chance of an MX5 catching an S2000 with less than half the power!
Lots of SouthEast clubs recently started running a "Standard Production" class up to 1600. which is perfect for a 1.6 Mk1 and it offers great close competition between a mix of Saxo's MX5's and Civic's.
It's run using "List 1A" for tyres, so everyone is restricted to road tyres, so no need to pay out for A048's or R888's to keep up with the competition. Also the restrictions on modifications means it's no longer question of who's going to throw the most money at building a fast machine, but boils down to driver ability....which I why I've not won the class yet
I've had more competitive fun sprinting in my Eunos the past 12 months, than I had in the 5 years prior competing in my Celica GT-4 in the class for "Roadgoing 4WD". Sadly it became a case of reading the entry list & know who the top three will be, due to BHP/Tonne, technology or both. I know my car's now 20 years old and only running about 35% more power than when it left the factory & what I really need to be competitive is 400BHP Evo 6/7/8/9. However it's a shame it's all gone this way due to the lack of clarity from the blur book, meaning "Roadgoing" cars are actually as developed as most of the "modified" cars. Plus a change ot tyre regulations in 2011 meant that to be competitive you need a decent set of tyres off list B1, which start at about £700 for a set.
I think the Standard Production class is the best thing to happen to sprinting on a long time & hopefully the MSA will soon understand it's importance & create a new category for the blue book. Then we just need the MSA to recognise the low risk in this class and reduce the PPE list, because as things stand you still need entry level suit/gloves/lid, which is going to cost £400
Typically a bog standard 1.6 Mk 1 would go into "roadgoing series production 1400 - 2000 cc". This would see you competing against lots of V-tech Hondas, Clip Cup cars Etc. with the option to run Trackday type tyres. Not much chance of an MX5 catching an S2000 with less than half the power!
Lots of SouthEast clubs recently started running a "Standard Production" class up to 1600. which is perfect for a 1.6 Mk1 and it offers great close competition between a mix of Saxo's MX5's and Civic's.
It's run using "List 1A" for tyres, so everyone is restricted to road tyres, so no need to pay out for A048's or R888's to keep up with the competition. Also the restrictions on modifications means it's no longer question of who's going to throw the most money at building a fast machine, but boils down to driver ability....which I why I've not won the class yet
I've had more competitive fun sprinting in my Eunos the past 12 months, than I had in the 5 years prior competing in my Celica GT-4 in the class for "Roadgoing 4WD". Sadly it became a case of reading the entry list & know who the top three will be, due to BHP/Tonne, technology or both. I know my car's now 20 years old and only running about 35% more power than when it left the factory & what I really need to be competitive is 400BHP Evo 6/7/8/9. However it's a shame it's all gone this way due to the lack of clarity from the blur book, meaning "Roadgoing" cars are actually as developed as most of the "modified" cars. Plus a change ot tyre regulations in 2011 meant that to be competitive you need a decent set of tyres off list B1, which start at about £700 for a set.
I think the Standard Production class is the best thing to happen to sprinting on a long time & hopefully the MSA will soon understand it's importance & create a new category for the blue book. Then we just need the MSA to recognise the low risk in this class and reduce the PPE list, because as things stand you still need entry level suit/gloves/lid, which is going to cost £400
Skylinecrazy said:
I think something would have to go seriously wrong in a standard MX5 to cause death, especially at the likes of Shelsley! Apologies if it came across like I was doubting your knowledge - I wasn't. Someone else asked what car it was so I explained. If your first event was 20 years ago, maybe you can give me some tips for Prescott
My point was that 5s squash under their own weight when rolled over, so competing in one without any rollover protection was extremely unwise.The Shelsey Walsh crash seemed like a good example of how wrong it can go, with it being so recent.
rs4al said:
I was getting all excited about hill climbing in my mx5 and then read the bit about modified....oops, I've got a TR lane roll bar installed which I'm sure is not blue book approved and also a supercharger kit going on it, does that make the car almost impossible to enter ?
My understanding is that it would have a 40% increase imposed on in for adding the forced induction and as long as you meet the criteria for "roadgoing" - Key points being must have interior trim, must have a block that was available in that car, then you should be able to enter Series Production over 2000cc. Which would see you in with Porsche GT3's, BMW M3's, MR2 Turbo etc. so would be quite challenge. In this class there is no requirement to have any sort of modification to Seats, Belts, or Roll Over Protection System (MSA for hoops/cages Etc). and as long as your TR Lane isn't a danger adding to the risk if you were to roll over (like those pointless style bars). I'd have a look at the MSA Blue Book to check that you've not modified you car out of the class, but it should be fine. My advice would be to go to a sprint & talk to competitors, as we are mostly a helpful and friendly bunch.you would probably end up in modified production class or sports libre class which could put you against some serious machinery , ps forced induction is capacity x 1.4
rs4al said:
I was getting all excited about hill climbing in my mx5 and then read the bit about modified....oops, I've got a TR lane roll bar installed which I'm sure is not blue book approved and also a supercharger kit going on it, does that make the car almost impossible to enter ?
http://www.msauk.org/uploadedfiles/msa_forms/blueb...
Both will pose more questions than they answer, of course.
Both will pose more questions than they answer, of course.
Itsallicanafford said:
I really want to give this a go this summer.
Have the car (Mk1 MX-5, roll bar, harness bar, sparco seat, 5 point harness, AD-08's)
do you just book and turn up like at a track day or is there more to it than that/
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
I maintain an "Introduction to Speed Events" document for the TVRCC Speed Championship, but the vast majority of it is applicable to any car. If anyone would like a copy, feel free to PM me and I'll send you one.Have the car (Mk1 MX-5, roll bar, harness bar, sparco seat, 5 point harness, AD-08's)
do you just book and turn up like at a track day or is there more to it than that/
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
And both griffdude and myself will be being rained on at the Abingdon Motorsport CAR-nival tomorrow.
gidzmasterflash said:
My understanding is that it would have a 40% increase imposed on in for adding the forced induction and as long as you meet the criteria for "roadgoing" - Key points being must have interior trim, must have a block that was available in that car, then you should be able to enter Series Production over 2000cc. Which would see you in with Porsche GT3's, BMW M3's, MR2 Turbo etc. so would be quite challenge. In this class there is no requirement to have any sort of modification to Seats, Belts, or Roll Over Protection System (MSA for hoops/cages Etc). and as long as your TR Lane isn't a danger adding to the risk if you were to roll over (like those pointless style bars). I'd have a look at the MSA Blue Book to check that you've not modified you car out of the class, but it should be fine. My advice would be to go to a sprint & talk to competitors, as we are mostly a helpful and friendly bunch.
Cheers for that, ok so it would move me up against some serious cars but I'm initially looking to just have a go and not get competitive...Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff