Unsafe Mods - Extreme Dubs / Drifters / Stance etc.
Discussion
Surely the mods come down to a combination of MOT, Insurance and common sense?
If you can pass the MOT, your insurance are aware and you aren't stupid, presumably they are OK.
But if anything is adjusted as a prep for MOT, or not declared to the insurer, then you run the risk of not being insured should you cause an accident - much the same as drink driving, driving with bald tyres, driving on the phone etc?
So much the same as with anything in driving-land - you take the risk, you pay the consequences. If all the above checks out, then it its likely road worth, even if it does look a bit daft.
If you can pass the MOT, your insurance are aware and you aren't stupid, presumably they are OK.
But if anything is adjusted as a prep for MOT, or not declared to the insurer, then you run the risk of not being insured should you cause an accident - much the same as drink driving, driving with bald tyres, driving on the phone etc?
So much the same as with anything in driving-land - you take the risk, you pay the consequences. If all the above checks out, then it its likely road worth, even if it does look a bit daft.
LOW4LYFE said:
Have you ever actually seen anything that extreme in the UK? I haven't. Not on the open road at least.
It's like anything, it's about moderation. Too much stretch, too much camber is just unnecessary and will make the car drive awfully. The people who enjoy this "extreme" side of it tend to drive a diesel Mk4 Golf with cheap s
t coilovers and fake wheels from China.
There is some good news though, I do think stance is on it's way out as a trend. Not completely, because every car has stance, just different types. I think we'll see a switch back to motorsport inspired looks, rivet on arches, that kind of thing.
The point is, trends come and go, and this one is no different.
Saw a crappy polo like that on Sunday on the m6, boy did it look sIt's like anything, it's about moderation. Too much stretch, too much camber is just unnecessary and will make the car drive awfully. The people who enjoy this "extreme" side of it tend to drive a diesel Mk4 Golf with cheap s
t coilovers and fake wheels from China.There is some good news though, I do think stance is on it's way out as a trend. Not completely, because every car has stance, just different types. I think we'll see a switch back to motorsport inspired looks, rivet on arches, that kind of thing.
The point is, trends come and go, and this one is no different.
t.Jabosoc said:
Shouldn't be driving fast enough to cock a wheel on the road.
When I had my Peugeot 106 it'd cock a wheel at 0mph if the surface was uneven enough.If the car is that stiff and rigid throughout (seam welded with a weld in cage etc.) it'll do it all the time.
At anywhere near the NSL on a twisty and varying cambered road the wheels would take it in turns to have a break from the road surface.
I'm a, so called, "dubber". I love VW's. I love the look of them, the other owners all that lark. I also like modding them (although not a fan of the camber and stretch look).
I think the "hate" on the safety of modding cars is disproportinate to the actual risk they cause on the road. I have no stats, but would argue a guess that the amount of unsafe un-modified cars on the road, FAR outweigh the number of unsafe modded cars on the road. Where's the hate for those?
In my opinion, neglecting a car to a point of it being unsafe is just as (if not more) worse than a modded car being "unsafe".
I bought a Puma in October with 12 months MOT on it. When I got it home I had a wrapsheet of faults that I know would not have passed an MOT. I wonder how many of those are out there.
I think the "hate" on the safety of modding cars is disproportinate to the actual risk they cause on the road. I have no stats, but would argue a guess that the amount of unsafe un-modified cars on the road, FAR outweigh the number of unsafe modded cars on the road. Where's the hate for those?
In my opinion, neglecting a car to a point of it being unsafe is just as (if not more) worse than a modded car being "unsafe".
I bought a Puma in October with 12 months MOT on it. When I got it home I had a wrapsheet of faults that I know would not have passed an MOT. I wonder how many of those are out there.
StottyEvo said:
People in that scene tend to drive slow so the stretches tyres etc aren't really a big issue.
The cars are modified that way for asthetics, they don't care how they drive or how the handling is ruined. As long as the fitment is what they like they don't care.
A non issue IMO.
^ voice of reason right there. The vast majority of these cars are not used as dailies or driven fast on the roads; they're for shows, meets, laid back cruises and maybe the odd burst of straight line speed. People spend a lot of money on getting the paint and bodywork restored so they don't want it getting damaged with stone chips etc. If anything the chance of someone driving a fully stanced-out car getting involved in some kind of hideous RTA is probably lower. The likleyhood of someone driving a 'properly sorted fast road car' running out of talent on an unfamiliar S-bend is way higher I'd have thought. The cars are modified that way for asthetics, they don't care how they drive or how the handling is ruined. As long as the fitment is what they like they don't care.
A non issue IMO.
Mikeyplum said:
I think the "hate" on the safety of modding cars is disproportinate to the actual risk they cause on the road. I have no stats, but would argue a guess that the amount of unsafe un-modified cars on the road, FAR outweigh the number of unsafe modded cars on the road. Where's the hate for those?
It's a straw man argument, though. No-one is claiming that we should be ignoring unsafe modified cars in favour of pursuing unsafe modified ones. That's just silly.The sheer number of vehicles is largely immaterial; the point is that they are being intentionally modified in a way that makes them more dangerous. I frankly don't see a difference between doing so or performing a seriously dangerous engineering bodge like a cut-and-shut.
balls-out said:
hmm
Enthusiast having fun with cars - GOOD.
Miserable keybord jockeys who have different tastes and knock others - BAD.
and no I don't have, nor want, a 'stanced car', but I am happy to let people follow their own path. Variety is the spice after all. Personally I think diesel is lorry fuel, but I don't go around bashing those who like it.
You're missing out, get over here http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...Enthusiast having fun with cars - GOOD.
Miserable keybord jockeys who have different tastes and knock others - BAD.
and no I don't have, nor want, a 'stanced car', but I am happy to let people follow their own path. Variety is the spice after all. Personally I think diesel is lorry fuel, but I don't go around bashing those who like it.
Edited by balls-out on Thursday 12th June 09:53
balls-out said:
hmm
Enthusiast having fun with cars - GOOD.
Miserable keybord jockeys who have different tastes and knock others - BAD.
and no I don't have, nor want, a 'stanced car', but I am happy to let people follow their own path. Variety is the spice after all. Personally I think diesel is lorry fuel, but I don't go around bashing those who like it.
Yes and thankfully some kids still have an interest in cars Enthusiast having fun with cars - GOOD.
Miserable keybord jockeys who have different tastes and knock others - BAD.
and no I don't have, nor want, a 'stanced car', but I am happy to let people follow their own path. Variety is the spice after all. Personally I think diesel is lorry fuel, but I don't go around bashing those who like it.
Edited by balls-out on Thursday 12th June 09:53
Maybe they will end up with two kids and a Audi but at the moment they are having some harmless fun ive never seen them tearing about maybe as these cars handle terribly and they have put a lot of time and money into them..
neiljohnson said:
jammy_basturd said:
Who did you used to work with/who has bought it?
I know the lad who did all the work on that van!
Richard he did a deal with his combo van but very quickly reversed the deal!!! I know the lad who did all the work on that van!
That thing is a death trap!
I'm sure I remember seeing on Facebook that one wheel made a bid for freedom at some stage, either the hub broke or something similar. I wasn't surprised with the amount of camber.
GregK2 said:
austinsmirk said:
there was a lad in a white golf on BBC traffic cops a few months ago, who had a stanced, slopey wheels set up.
they waited for him in some precinct to return to his car and then nabbed him.
he has his mum with him I think, or it was his mums new golf that she'd allowed to be customised. Purely as I don't think an 18 yr old was likely to be running his own brand new golf !
It was a Polo, with hydraulic adjustable suspension and he got done because he was driving with it at a dangerously low level (evidence the alloy rim had been making contact with the body) If he'd just flicked a switch before driving off the Police wouldn't have been able to do anything.they waited for him in some precinct to return to his car and then nabbed him.
he has his mum with him I think, or it was his mums new golf that she'd allowed to be customised. Purely as I don't think an 18 yr old was likely to be running his own brand new golf !
The tyre/rim contact on the bodywork was from lowering the car upon parking as the 'fitment' was tight enough for each to catch slightly. It went to court and there wasn't sufficient evidence for him to be prosecuted.
Cars which are not modified owned by non-car enthusiasts are potentially far more dangerous from poor or no maintenance. Someone with a modified car is a car enthusiast - whatever their taste and style may be - so are far more likely to keep up to date with general maintenance.
I run stretched tyres on my Polo so will regularly and before every non local journey check the tyre pressures. This is to keep me, my car and other road-user safe.
jammy_basturd said:
Ah, so he got his money back?
I'm sure I remember seeing on Facebook that one wheel made a bid for freedom at some stage, either the hub broke or something similar. I wasn't surprised with the amount of camber.
not sure what the deal was tbh but the vans were swapped back after 2 days!!I'm sure I remember seeing on Facebook that one wheel made a bid for freedom at some stage, either the hub broke or something similar. I wasn't surprised with the amount of camber.
Not really surprised the wheel fell off either!
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