Unsafe Mods - Extreme Dubs / Drifters / Stance etc.
Discussion
Lawbags said:
Not all suspension reduces travel as you lower them.
This is what I run and regardless of how low, the travel stays the same.
As said, you can hit other stuff before the damper runs out of travel (bumpstops etc)This is what I run and regardless of how low, the travel stays the same.
Also, lowering the suspension affects the rollcentre of the car (not just C of G) actually increasing the angle of lean, meaning an even higher spring rate is necessary!
FYI I do not pretend to understand the physics involved, but I heard it from a well-respected source...
PHer's in 'I don't like it so its wrong and should be banned' shocker.
A lot of the more extreme 'stanced' cars run air suspension, so during normal driving they run with greater travel than stock, you will not find a group of people more dedicated to tyre pressures,monitoring condition/camber wear and checking wheel alignment/spring rates.
Blow outs are extremely rare for most mildly stretch tyres.
Most VAGs aren't that fast, most cars you seel will have less than 200hp so wont be in a hurry anyway. its easier to go extreme with the looks. Ride height/wheel fitment is just one aspect of this. Most people in the 'scene' understand they can't do the mad track thing, or go drifiting, or drag race, so they put all their time and effort into visual mods, if they have to go a bit slower, meh.
The funny thing is aircooled scene have been doing this since the 70s (where do you think the fashion came from?). Funny its only recently become an issue with crotchety old men.
A lot of the more extreme 'stanced' cars run air suspension, so during normal driving they run with greater travel than stock, you will not find a group of people more dedicated to tyre pressures,monitoring condition/camber wear and checking wheel alignment/spring rates.
Blow outs are extremely rare for most mildly stretch tyres.
Most VAGs aren't that fast, most cars you seel will have less than 200hp so wont be in a hurry anyway. its easier to go extreme with the looks. Ride height/wheel fitment is just one aspect of this. Most people in the 'scene' understand they can't do the mad track thing, or go drifiting, or drag race, so they put all their time and effort into visual mods, if they have to go a bit slower, meh.
The funny thing is aircooled scene have been doing this since the 70s (where do you think the fashion came from?). Funny its only recently become an issue with crotchety old men.
You mentioned drifters in the title, in Japan drifting is as much about looking good when drifting as actually going sideways! These guys manage better than most with very low cars!
http://youtu.be/LMG2pub8S00
http://youtu.be/Exr0AqBq8sU?t=1m42s
http://youtu.be/LMG2pub8S00
http://youtu.be/Exr0AqBq8sU?t=1m42s
KarlMac said:
PHer's in 'I don't like it so its wrong and should be banned' shocker.
A lot of the more extreme 'stanced' cars run air suspension, so during normal driving they run with greater travel than stock, you will not find a group of people more dedicated to tyre pressures,monitoring condition/camber wear and checking wheel alignment/spring rates.
Blow outs are extremely rare for most mildly stretch tyres.
Most VAGs aren't that fast, most cars you seel will have less than 200hp so wont be in a hurry anyway. its easier to go extreme with the looks. Ride height/wheel fitment is just one aspect of this. Most people in the 'scene' understand they can't do the mad track thing, or go drifiting, or drag race, so they put all their time and effort into visual mods, if they have to go a bit slower, meh.
The funny thing is aircooled scene have been doing this since the 70s (where do you think the fashion came from?). Funny its only recently become an issue with crotchety old men.
Ok.A lot of the more extreme 'stanced' cars run air suspension, so during normal driving they run with greater travel than stock, you will not find a group of people more dedicated to tyre pressures,monitoring condition/camber wear and checking wheel alignment/spring rates.
Blow outs are extremely rare for most mildly stretch tyres.
Most VAGs aren't that fast, most cars you seel will have less than 200hp so wont be in a hurry anyway. its easier to go extreme with the looks. Ride height/wheel fitment is just one aspect of this. Most people in the 'scene' understand they can't do the mad track thing, or go drifiting, or drag race, so they put all their time and effort into visual mods, if they have to go a bit slower, meh.
The funny thing is aircooled scene have been doing this since the 70s (where do you think the fashion came from?). Funny its only recently become an issue with crotchety old men.
We are boring on this site.
What made you post on here?
Regards
KarlMac said:
PHer's in 'I don't like it so its wrong and should be banned' shocker.
A lot of the more extreme 'stanced' cars run air suspension, so during normal driving they run with greater travel than stock, you will not find a group of people more dedicated to tyre pressures,monitoring condition/camber wear and checking wheel alignment/spring rates.
Blow outs are extremely rare for most mildly stretch tyres.
Most VAGs aren't that fast, most cars you seel will have less than 200hp so wont be in a hurry anyway. its easier to go extreme with the looks. Ride height/wheel fitment is just one aspect of this. Most people in the 'scene' understand they can't do the mad track thing, or go drifiting, or drag race, so they put all their time and effort into visual mods, if they have to go a bit slower, meh.
The funny thing is aircooled scene have been doing this since the 70s (where do you think the fashion came from?). Funny its only recently become an issue with crotchety old men.
Mild stretch, lowered etc within manufacturers specs......fine each to their ownA lot of the more extreme 'stanced' cars run air suspension, so during normal driving they run with greater travel than stock, you will not find a group of people more dedicated to tyre pressures,monitoring condition/camber wear and checking wheel alignment/spring rates.
Blow outs are extremely rare for most mildly stretch tyres.
Most VAGs aren't that fast, most cars you seel will have less than 200hp so wont be in a hurry anyway. its easier to go extreme with the looks. Ride height/wheel fitment is just one aspect of this. Most people in the 'scene' understand they can't do the mad track thing, or go drifiting, or drag race, so they put all their time and effort into visual mods, if they have to go a bit slower, meh.
The funny thing is aircooled scene have been doing this since the 70s (where do you think the fashion came from?). Funny its only recently become an issue with crotchety old men.
Stupid stretch, stupid camber outside manufacturers specs BUT not on public roads......fine, each to their own
Stupid stretch, stupid camber outside manufacturers specs AND used on public roads.....not fine
Tyres peeling back of the beads, high PSI, running on the sidewalls, deformation of the contact patch has not place on the roads.
Mr2Mike said:
Note only does it look like s
t, it sounds like it's trying to have one but only succeeds in a wet fart.
It's a show car check he official making sure he parked up, also Japans MOT s much more stringent than ours so if the car passed it's road worthy, it may not be to everyones taste but being an individual wasn't against the law last time I checked.t, it sounds like it's trying to have one but only succeeds in a wet fart.Another point is these stanced cars are meant for the prupose of driving low & Slow because their owners know the handling is comprimised they drive around at lower speeds than the guy that's just thrown some springs(or worse cut a coil off) at his corsa & now thinks his local one way is a race track these are the cars that aren't maitained to a high standard not the ones that are running round on £3000 worth of alloy wheels & £2000 worth of suspension.
Here's my take
Lad I used to work with bought this needing an mot I done the test & condemned it as it was so unsafe it was laughable!! Some of the bodges done to achieve the camber were scary with smaller bolts in the front hubs to allow movement & lots of washers on the rear!!
All tyres were scrubbed bald on the inner edges brake hoses rubbed wheels hit the arches etc etc
As a result he have it back to the seller & I have seen it since on the rd looking the same & I assume it's now got an mot from elsewhere!!!!
Lad I used to work with bought this needing an mot I done the test & condemned it as it was so unsafe it was laughable!! Some of the bodges done to achieve the camber were scary with smaller bolts in the front hubs to allow movement & lots of washers on the rear!!
All tyres were scrubbed bald on the inner edges brake hoses rubbed wheels hit the arches etc etc
As a result he have it back to the seller & I have seen it since on the rd looking the same & I assume it's now got an mot from elsewhere!!!!
neiljohnson said:
Here's my take
Lad I used to work with bought this needing an mot I done the test & condemned it as it was so unsafe it was laughable!! Some of the bodges done to achieve the camber were scary with smaller bolts in the front hubs to allow movement & lots of washers on the rear!!
All tyres were scrubbed bald on the inner edges brake hoses rubbed wheels hit the arches etc etc
As a result he have it back to the seller & I have seen it since on the rd looking the same & I assume it's now got an mot from elsewhere!!!!
If a car isn't correctly modified/maitained it'll fail an MOT how many normal cars do you fail at your garage everyday? Lad I used to work with bought this needing an mot I done the test & condemned it as it was so unsafe it was laughable!! Some of the bodges done to achieve the camber were scary with smaller bolts in the front hubs to allow movement & lots of washers on the rear!!
All tyres were scrubbed bald on the inner edges brake hoses rubbed wheels hit the arches etc etc
As a result he have it back to the seller & I have seen it since on the rd looking the same & I assume it's now got an mot from elsewhere!!!!
You proved my point the guy with the rims etc is the guy that's done it properly far more worrying are the people that do it on the cheap!!!! That applies to all cars standard or modified
neiljohnson said:
Here's my take
Lad I used to work with bought this needing an mot I done the test & condemned it as it was so unsafe it was laughable!! Some of the bodges done to achieve the camber were scary with smaller bolts in the front hubs to allow movement & lots of washers on the rear!!
All tyres were scrubbed bald on the inner edges brake hoses rubbed wheels hit the arches etc etc
As a result he have it back to the seller & I have seen it since on the rd looking the same & I assume it's now got an mot from elsewhere!!!!
that needs those teady rims set it off a treat Lad I used to work with bought this needing an mot I done the test & condemned it as it was so unsafe it was laughable!! Some of the bodges done to achieve the camber were scary with smaller bolts in the front hubs to allow movement & lots of washers on the rear!!
All tyres were scrubbed bald on the inner edges brake hoses rubbed wheels hit the arches etc etc
As a result he have it back to the seller & I have seen it since on the rd looking the same & I assume it's now got an mot from elsewhere!!!!
ZX10R NIN said:
It's a show car check he official making sure he parked up, also Japans MOT s much more stringent than ours so if the car passed it's road worthy, it may not be to everyones taste but being an individual wasn't against the law last time I checked.
A car with tyres stretched like that is not roadworthy.I'm unfortunate enough to own an MX5. These are now cheap enough for skidder kids to pick them up, slap a set of £100 raceland coilovers from ebay, 8" rims with zero offset, a set of nankangs, rolled and pulled arches, and a noisy exhaust with a shiny tip at a jaunty angle. slam the car on the deck, until it scrapes, and put some stickers with cool words written in a flowing font up the side of the windscreen.
they might take a few pics of their car next to some graffiti or in a multistory car park.
the next set of pics is normally oops drift error, buckled wheels on kerbs, bodywork damage where they've hit trees or lamp posts etc. basically from driving like dicks on a public road in a car they've made handle deliberately badly for the sake of fashion. or maybe they got caught out by a small bump in the road...
There are a few that do it properly - with properly thought out mods. but the majority of stanced cars are done on the cheap by idiots who don't know any better and just want to be part of the scene so they can stand around their fashion statements in their skinny jeans around their skinny arses, taking pictures of themselves being cool and not giving a f***.
they might take a few pics of their car next to some graffiti or in a multistory car park.
the next set of pics is normally oops drift error, buckled wheels on kerbs, bodywork damage where they've hit trees or lamp posts etc. basically from driving like dicks on a public road in a car they've made handle deliberately badly for the sake of fashion. or maybe they got caught out by a small bump in the road...
There are a few that do it properly - with properly thought out mods. but the majority of stanced cars are done on the cheap by idiots who don't know any better and just want to be part of the scene so they can stand around their fashion statements in their skinny jeans around their skinny arses, taking pictures of themselves being cool and not giving a f***.
hmm
Enthusiast having fun with cars - GOOD.
Miserable keybord jockeys who have different tastes and knock others - BAD.
and no I don't have, nor want, a 'stanced car', but I am happy to let people follow their own path. Variety is the spice after all. Personally I think diesel is lorry fuel, but I don't go around bashing those who like it.
Enthusiast having fun with cars - GOOD.
Miserable keybord jockeys who have different tastes and knock others - BAD.
and no I don't have, nor want, a 'stanced car', but I am happy to let people follow their own path. Variety is the spice after all. Personally I think diesel is lorry fuel, but I don't go around bashing those who like it.
Edited by balls-out on Thursday 12th June 09:53
TooMany2cvs said:
Since your car already gets a check each year - and since you modify sensibly - is there really much to worry about? It's not like it's any extra effort or requirement on your part, and it's not as if your sensible mods would fail...
Yes, it is. There's far too much red tape, risk mitigation, and regulation in all aspects of life now. Personally I don't want any more.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff