VW Golf 7 R -- Chipped -- 0 to 60 in 4 Seconds...
Discussion
lamboman100 said:
Imprezas, Integrales and Cosworths are great cars, but they are for rally geeks and chavsters.
The Golf R can be driven by everyone, from chavs to millionaires.
I've heard of pigeon fanciers, but you're the first pigeonhole fancier I've met. Do you feel an obligation to dress a certain way, act a certain way and drive a particular car based on how you want people to see you? The Golf R can be driven by everyone, from chavs to millionaires.
lamboman100 said:
Imprezas, Integrales and Cosworths are great cars, but they are for rally geeks and chavsters.
The Golf R can be driven by everyone, from chavs to millionaires.
And to look at the bigger picture -- the Golf R is step 1... step 2 is the R400 and AMG A45 "Black Series"... both of which will soon be M3- and 911-killers at lower prices.
The Golf R is selling in much bigger volumes than VW expected (currently up to 6 months' wait for a new one, which is long, by VW and other standards)... Once the other major car makers get wind of the R's popularity, they are going to join the race to build the best superhatch -- the Ford ST and RS models, for example, are already starting to look a little slow and dated by comparison (a second or more slower to 60mph).
I`m afraid to say that your 1st sentence makes you sound plain stupid.The Golf R can be driven by everyone, from chavs to millionaires.
And to look at the bigger picture -- the Golf R is step 1... step 2 is the R400 and AMG A45 "Black Series"... both of which will soon be M3- and 911-killers at lower prices.
The Golf R is selling in much bigger volumes than VW expected (currently up to 6 months' wait for a new one, which is long, by VW and other standards)... Once the other major car makers get wind of the R's popularity, they are going to join the race to build the best superhatch -- the Ford ST and RS models, for example, are already starting to look a little slow and dated by comparison (a second or more slower to 60mph).
Then you ramble on randomly without answering my questions.
Then you say the Focus RS is slow and dated by comparison...... its not.
You have some very odd views.
ToothbrushMan said:
... i reckon the willy waving performance figures means more to the haters than those who openly discuss them.
I suspect you are correct, and it does makes these threads quite amusing. If space were less of an issue, I'd consider going back to one of these cars. The kind of motor performance the Golf R offers in such a small, imminently tossable chassis is quite attractive. They are expensive, but not entirely out of line with the quality of the engineering and the comfort level on offer. Studio117 said:
And the fez is out of sight in the faster sections. What a surprise?!? Lots of visible understeer from the golf. Who would have guessed the results between a 300hp shopping cart and a modern f car round the turdburg ring? Hunting down my arse.
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Edited by Studio117 on Monday 4th August 21:28
Actus Reus said:
I think it says more about PH than the Golf, sadly.
I've got a 7R - very happy with it. Preferred my Porsche, though, but needs must.
I think you're both misunderstanding the "hate" somewhat. Many don't seem to have a problem with the car, its quite likely that I will buy one in the future. Lambowmans claims on the other hand are ridiculous. I've got a 7R - very happy with it. Preferred my Porsche, though, but needs must.
EricE said:
I’m pretty astonished by the amount of sheer hate this car seems to generate. Does the Golf 7 R touch people in inappropriate places or what am I missing?
It is a strange one, isn't it?!I think these kind of cars always divide opinion. I think people who like proper sports cars get irritated by the inability of some to look last 0-60 times; on the other side, a lot of people just want a bloody fast hatchback and never made the silly comparisons so don't get the annoyance.
To my mind, it's a bloody awesome car and I am glad it is available. There is a lot of choice out there for people who like fast cars, and we should applaud that rather than getting bogged down in stupid comparisons and pub bore numbers.
It's not for me for a whole host of reasons (largely very subjective ones), but I don't understand why anyone would slag it off or prefer it not exist.
StottyEvo said:
I think you're both misunderstanding the "hate" somewhat. Many don't seem to have a problem with the car, its quite likely that I will buy one in the future. Lambowmans claims on the other hand are ridiculous.
Maybe. My point is a bit wider really, and not what this thread is about.Tell ya what though, it is a good car. Get the adaptive suspension is my advice.
As a daily drive my standard one is a great balance of speed and economy. I'd imagine the mod would make it a lot thirstier and a lot more fragile. I'm not basing that on anything though. Cue 15 people telling me I'm wrong and a 
. Also bonus points to the first "you don't buy a car like that for the economy".
. Also bonus points to the first "you don't buy a car like that for the economy". ORD said:
It is a strange one, isn't it?!
I think these kind of cars always divide opinion. I think people who like proper sports cars get irritated by the inability of some to look last 0-60 times; on the other side, a lot of people just want a bloody fast hatchback and never made the silly comparisons so don't get the annoyance.
To my mind, it's a bloody awesome car and I am glad it is available. There is a lot of choice out there for people who like fast cars, and we should applaud that rather than getting bogged down in stupid comparisons and pub bore numbers.
It's not for me for a whole host of reasons (largely very subjective ones), but I don't understand why anyone would slag it off or prefer it not exist.
I would prefer it and the other cars it shares a platform with to exist with more differentiation between them. - It's almost as if there's a new version of the same released every week and we can't go more than a couple of days without another twenty threads about them.I think these kind of cars always divide opinion. I think people who like proper sports cars get irritated by the inability of some to look last 0-60 times; on the other side, a lot of people just want a bloody fast hatchback and never made the silly comparisons so don't get the annoyance.
To my mind, it's a bloody awesome car and I am glad it is available. There is a lot of choice out there for people who like fast cars, and we should applaud that rather than getting bogged down in stupid comparisons and pub bore numbers.
It's not for me for a whole host of reasons (largely very subjective ones), but I don't understand why anyone would slag it off or prefer it not exist.
It just feels like this sort of car is now mandatory and I've missed the memo. - Just about every manufacturer is being forced down the same engineering route due to legislation, taxation etc. and it's irritating because options are fast disappearing. Even BMW are making FWD MPVs now and the overwhelming probability is that the next 1-Series will be "just like a Golf".
It's pretty telling when Subaru release a new Impreza WRX/STI and the majority of posts about it are talking about MPG & RFL. - If this is what modern performance cars are all about, in the future I'll just buy something barge-like for the daily grind and keep a TVR or similar as "something for the weekend".
Clivey said:
I would prefer it and the other cars it shares a platform with to exist with more differentiation between them. - It's almost as if there's a new version of the same released every week and we can't go more than a couple of days without another twenty threads about them.
It just feels like this sort of car is now mandatory and I've missed the memo. - Just about every manufacturer is being forced down the same engineering route due to legislation, taxation etc. and it's irritating because options are fast disappearing. Even BMW are making FWD MPVs now and the overwhelming probability is that the next 1-Series will be "just like a Golf".
It's pretty telling when Subaru release a new Impreza WRX/STI and the majority of posts about it are talking about MPG & RFL. - If this is what modern performance cars are all about, in the future I'll just buy something barge-like for the daily grind and keep a TVR or similar as "something for the weekend".
There is some truth to that - a lot of these cars are very similar indeed.It just feels like this sort of car is now mandatory and I've missed the memo. - Just about every manufacturer is being forced down the same engineering route due to legislation, taxation etc. and it's irritating because options are fast disappearing. Even BMW are making FWD MPVs now and the overwhelming probability is that the next 1-Series will be "just like a Golf".
It's pretty telling when Subaru release a new Impreza WRX/STI and the majority of posts about it are talking about MPG & RFL. - If this is what modern performance cars are all about, in the future I'll just buy something barge-like for the daily grind and keep a TVR or similar as "something for the weekend".
I think someone missed the point that the amount of power you can use on public roads is very limited, so it's about quality rather than quantity. The MX-5 is probably a lot more fun on public roads than any of these turbo hatches. It was interesting reading the threads about the R32 - pages and pages of people saying they can't wait to drive it each time they see it on the driveway (mostly for that engine note), which I doubt will be said about the current R. To me, a hatch with a shopping car engine tuned up to go-faster pace would leave me cold.
The new Impreza appears, from the articles, to be a bit of a disappointment, but I see your point re mpg.
The obsession with mpg is insane - a modern NA 6 cyl is barely any less fuel efficient than a turbo 4 of similar power, but you wouldn't know that from the official figures and the crap that gets said in support of 'downsizing'.
lamboman100 said:
Imprezas, Integrales and Cosworths are great cars, but they are for rally geeks and chavsters.
The Golf R can be driven by everyone, from chavs to millionaires.
And to look at the bigger picture -- the Golf R is step 1... step 2 is the R400 and AMG A45 "Black Series"... both of which will soon be M3- and 911-killers at lower prices.
The Golf R is selling in much bigger volumes than VW expected (currently up to 6 months' wait for a new one, which is long, by VW and other standards)... Once the other major car makers get wind of the R's popularity, they are going to join the race to build the best superhatch -- the Ford ST and RS models, for example, are already starting to look a little slow and dated by comparison (a second or more slower to 60mph).
As stated, what about the M135i I'd say its superior in every way, bar looks maybe but then thats subjective.The Golf R can be driven by everyone, from chavs to millionaires.
And to look at the bigger picture -- the Golf R is step 1... step 2 is the R400 and AMG A45 "Black Series"... both of which will soon be M3- and 911-killers at lower prices.
The Golf R is selling in much bigger volumes than VW expected (currently up to 6 months' wait for a new one, which is long, by VW and other standards)... Once the other major car makers get wind of the R's popularity, they are going to join the race to build the best superhatch -- the Ford ST and RS models, for example, are already starting to look a little slow and dated by comparison (a second or more slower to 60mph).
chrispmartha said:
As stated, what about the M135i I'd say its superior in every way, bar looks maybe but then thats subjective.
Not sure about that. I would put the R ahead in at least the following respects:-(1) Easier to drive fast. (Not necessarily a good thing, but some people want that.)
(2) More internal space. The 1 Series feels cramped compared to a Golf.
(3) Cheaper overall (i.e. including running costs).
(4) Better/safer in bad weather conditions.
(5) Probably a more comfortable ride.
The 135i has, though, two absolutely massive advantages if you want a fun car - RWD and a proper engine.
If I had to have one of the two, I would take the BMW, but I don't think it's as straightforward as saying it is unequivocally and in all respects the better car.
Assuming a 1-car household with no kids, I think my order of preference would be something like:-
(1) M135i.
(2) Hottest Megane.
(3) Golf GTI - impressive blend of practicality and fun for me.
(4) Golf R - not sure it is worth the extra money over a GTI and I don't like AWD.
(5) Hottest Leon.
(6) Focus RS.
Not a fan of the chavvy side of hot hatchdom, but I wouldn't be able to resist the Megane for the fun element.
The M135i just seems a better buy if you want an fast practical car.
In stock form the M135i is faster. Tune I think the M135i would be faster still. I don't see why there's so much fuss about the Golf R. It's a bit late to the party.
But neither are going to be bothering exotica any time soon. Pretty insane to compare hatch backs to Ferraris purely on 0-60 times.
I wouldn't call them bargains either. 35k+ for faster versions of normal cars. I know the new vs used comparison is just as dumb as the stock vs tuned arguments but if I had 35k and wanted a fast car I would be after the real thing!
In stock form the M135i is faster. Tune I think the M135i would be faster still. I don't see why there's so much fuss about the Golf R. It's a bit late to the party.
But neither are going to be bothering exotica any time soon. Pretty insane to compare hatch backs to Ferraris purely on 0-60 times.
I wouldn't call them bargains either. 35k+ for faster versions of normal cars. I know the new vs used comparison is just as dumb as the stock vs tuned arguments but if I had 35k and wanted a fast car I would be after the real thing!
RE92 said:
The M135i just seems a better buy if you want an fast practical car.
In stock form the M135i is faster. Tune I think the M135i would be faster still. I don't see why there's so much fuss about the Golf R. It's a bit late to the party.
But neither are going to be bothering exotica any time soon. Pretty insane to compare hatch backs to Ferraris purely on 0-60 times.
I wouldn't call them bargains either. 35k+ for faster versions of normal cars. I know the new vs used comparison is just as dumb as the stock vs tuned arguments but if I had 35k and wanted a fast car I would be after the real thing!
I'd wager not many M135i or Golf Rs are 'bought' so the 35k ticket price is irrelevant. I'm getting a M135i on business lease as it was a good deal theres no way on this earth I'd be spending the 36K ticket price on it.In stock form the M135i is faster. Tune I think the M135i would be faster still. I don't see why there's so much fuss about the Golf R. It's a bit late to the party.
But neither are going to be bothering exotica any time soon. Pretty insane to compare hatch backs to Ferraris purely on 0-60 times.
I wouldn't call them bargains either. 35k+ for faster versions of normal cars. I know the new vs used comparison is just as dumb as the stock vs tuned arguments but if I had 35k and wanted a fast car I would be after the real thing!
lamboman100 said:
Imprezas, Integrales and Cosworths are great cars, but they are for rally geeks and chavsters.
Ah right so it's not about the performance, it's the "imagine" that's most important for the VAG fanboys. Never mind 0-60 in 4 seconds, can you get a Golf R branded car bra.
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