VW Golf 7 R -- Chipped -- 0 to 60 in 4 Seconds...
Discussion
Word is, for about an extra 500 sheets, with a chip and sporty filter, it is now possible to ring instantly 350 horsepowers and 450 torques from the new Mk7 VW Golf R, for a 0 to 60 mph time of somewhere in the region of 4.1 to 4.6 seconds. Discuss...
http://www.superchips.co.uk/search?make=38&fue...
PS. I have zero connections to Superchips or VW.
PPS. Mods -- please don't move to another section of the website, as a lot of people have recently bought 7Rs on lease deals in the General Gassing threads and this should be of related interest to them
http://www.superchips.co.uk/search?make=38&fue...
PS. I have zero connections to Superchips or VW.
PPS. Mods -- please don't move to another section of the website, as a lot of people have recently bought 7Rs on lease deals in the General Gassing threads and this should be of related interest to them
IanCress said:
After personally destroying the clutch and a few coil packs on a chipped 300bhp Cupra, I wonder how long the mechanicals will last in a 4 wheel drive Golf repeatedly doing 0-60 in 4 seconds.
'Not very', would be my guess.
Yes but you are not going to repeatedly be doing 0-60 in 4ish seconds are you? well not unless you are a boy racing chav t'Not very', would be my guess.
t. I had a mapped TTR with about 260BHP and 300lbft and 2 coilpacks went (a known weak spot) and I lunched the clutch at Santa Pod (it was the original on about 80k) so wear and tear rather than the remap being specifically responsible.30-70 is a more interesting acceleration figure and I would imagine that will also be mightily impressive (and less strain on the running gear) I have been tempted by the lease offers and one guy here has gone for it - but I love my 5.0 V8 and will stick with that for now.
Actus Reus said:
Blimey.
I have a lease R coming in a few weeks - obviously I'm not meant to chip it... But if I did, how easy would the chip be to conceal, or would there always be a trace?
It's not a physical chip. It's a remap of the ECU. There would indeed be a trace. You can tell how many times the ECU has been flashed with a new map. Would anyone find out at regular servicing, probably not. When you roll in with a DCT failure after 20k miles, I suspect they'd be inclined to look a little harder, at which point they will find out.I have a lease R coming in a few weeks - obviously I'm not meant to chip it... But if I did, how easy would the chip be to conceal, or would there always be a trace?
I don't really see why you would want to map it, beyond willy waving. It's more than fast enough for the road as it is. Stock it's circa 4.5-4.7 seconds to 60.
IanCress said:
After personally destroying the clutch and a few coil packs on a chipped 300bhp Cupra, I wonder how long the mechanicals will last in a 4 wheel drive Golf repeatedly doing 0-60 in 4 seconds.
'Not very', would be my guess.
Actually the Haldex 4 wheel drive system is strong and copes well even in tuned cars.'Not very', would be my guess.
Coil packs on earlier 1.8Ts were known for poor quality and a clutch is a consumable fitted with standard power in mind.
Driveline components are signed off for durability against a certain drive cycle (basically x hours @ max torque). Raising the torque level decreases the life of components that wear (basically the clutches). So the clutch/clutches will be operating beyond it's signed off condition. (haldex clutch will probably be ok, but who knows).
You usually have a little fat in the design for long term reliability, an 18% jump in torque will be beyond what it was designed for. So as long as it's transparent that increasing the torque output will decrease reliability. Then all is gravy.
You usually have a little fat in the design for long term reliability, an 18% jump in torque will be beyond what it was designed for. So as long as it's transparent that increasing the torque output will decrease reliability. Then all is gravy.
xxChrisxx said:
I don't really see why you would want to map it, beyond willy waving. It's more than fast enough for the road as it is. Stock it's circa 4.5-4.7 seconds to 60.
I agree that for some, it would be all about the willy waving 0-60 times. For some reason, manufacturers and the motoring press have always been completely obsessed with this, but how often do you need it? It's just pointless bragging rights.The important thing for me has always been mid-range performance, and I bet an aftermarket remap would transform what will (I suspect) already be an impressive mid-range on a car like this.
Baz Tench said:
I agree that for some, it would be all about the willy waving 0-60 times. For some reason, manufacturers and the motoring press have always been completely obsessed with this, but how often do you need it? It's just pointless bragging rights.
The important thing for me has always been mid-range performance, and I bet an aftermarket remap would transform what will (I suspect) already be an impressive mid-range on a car like this.
Even still, it's approx 210 HP/ton standard. You'll be able to demolish almost any other cars on the road in the traffic light grand prix.The important thing for me has always been mid-range performance, and I bet an aftermarket remap would transform what will (I suspect) already be an impressive mid-range on a car like this.
I totally see the point of hamming out older cars. Rmapping the old 1.8T made perfect sense. Old cheap and made to go like the clappers. I don't get compromising a new cars reliability (where fixing is silly money) for extra performance that you can't really use. Maybe point and squirt has lost it's appeal to me in my old age (I blame my job).
Edited for failed maths....
Edited by xxChrisxx on Thursday 12th June 09:37
Edited by xxChrisxx on Thursday 12th June 09:38
Baz Tench said:
I agree that for some, it would be all about the willy waving 0-60 times. For some reason, manufacturers and the motoring press have always been completely obsessed with this, but how often do you need it? It's just pointless bragging rights.
The important thing for me has always been mid-range performance, and I bet an aftermarket remap would transform what will (I suspect) already be an impressive mid-range on a car like this.
I don't understand this view that's prevalent on pistonheads.The important thing for me has always been mid-range performance, and I bet an aftermarket remap would transform what will (I suspect) already be an impressive mid-range on a car like this.
The reason people care about 0-60 is that it's a known equation, same as ring lap times, it's not hard to understand. Yes 30-60mph might be vastly more practical in day to day driving, but as very few people know what constitutes a good figure, it's pointless using it as an example.
I could tell everyone on my street what my cars 30-60mph time is in third gear, but they wouldn't have a clue if that was fast or not. You know they'd only go & ask what it's top speed & 0-60 time was so they could know if it was quick.
Of course, it goes without saying that if you know a car does 0-60 in 4 seconds & goes 175mph, you can take it for granted it's pretty quick in the mid range regardless so who needs yet another figure to bore people with in the pub?
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Baz Tench said:
I agree that for some, it would be all about the willy waving 0-60 times. For some reason, manufacturers and the motoring press have always been completely obsessed with this, but how often do you need it? It's just pointless bragging rights.
The important thing for me has always been mid-range performance, and I bet an aftermarket remap would transform what will (I suspect) already be an impressive mid-range on a car like this.
I don't understand this view that's prevalent on pistonheads.The important thing for me has always been mid-range performance, and I bet an aftermarket remap would transform what will (I suspect) already be an impressive mid-range on a car like this.
The reason people care about 0-60 is that it's a known equation, same as ring lap times, it's not hard to understand. Yes 30-60mph might be vastly more practical in day to day driving, but as very few people know what constitutes a good figure, it's pointless using it as an example.
I could tell everyone on my street what my cars 30-60mph time is in third gear, but they wouldn't have a clue if that was fast or not. You know they'd only go & ask what it's top speed & 0-60 time was so they could know if it was quick.
Of course, it goes without saying that if you know a car does 0-60 in 4 seconds & goes 175mph, you can take it for granted it's pretty quick in the mid range regardless so who needs yet another figure to bore people with in the pub?
.I just got bored with 0-60mph figures years ago, and I've always cringed a little when people ask me about the 0-60 times on my cars.
It's just tedious to me, but I understand that it's a way of getting the general performance across.
I'm not going to win this one am I?
Actus Reus said:
Blimey.
I have a lease R coming in a few weeks - obviously I'm not meant to chip it... But if I did, how easy would the chip be to conceal, or would there always be a trace?
they are very easy to trace, audi certainly actively look for mods before engine / transmission warranty work I have a lease R coming in a few weeks - obviously I'm not meant to chip it... But if I did, how easy would the chip be to conceal, or would there always be a trace?
as for the performance, it seams very plausible
Dr G said:
IanCress said:
After personally destroying the clutch and a few coil packs on a chipped 300bhp Cupra, I wonder how long the mechanicals will last in a 4 wheel drive Golf repeatedly doing 0-60 in 4 seconds.
'Not very', would be my guess.
Actually the Haldex 4 wheel drive system is strong and copes well even in tuned cars.'Not very', would be my guess.
He did a hell of a lot of launches though... I'm guessing the propshaft was the weakest link.Edited by StottyEvo on Thursday 12th June 10:32
StottyEvo said:
Dr G said:
IanCress said:
After personally destroying the clutch and a few coil packs on a chipped 300bhp Cupra, I wonder how long the mechanicals will last in a 4 wheel drive Golf repeatedly doing 0-60 in 4 seconds.
'Not very', would be my guess.
Actually the Haldex 4 wheel drive system is strong and copes well even in tuned cars.'Not very', would be my guess.
He did a hell of a lot of launches though... I'm guessing the propshaft was the weakest link.haldex may or maynot be up to the power but there are a very large number of VAG duel clutch boxes that have had problems, i certainly would not be wanting to pay for one
Dave Hedgehog said:
StottyEvo said:
Dr G said:
IanCress said:
After personally destroying the clutch and a few coil packs on a chipped 300bhp Cupra, I wonder how long the mechanicals will last in a 4 wheel drive Golf repeatedly doing 0-60 in 4 seconds.
'Not very', would be my guess.
Actually the Haldex 4 wheel drive system is strong and copes well even in tuned cars.'Not very', would be my guess.
He did a hell of a lot of launches though... I'm guessing the propshaft was the weakest link.haldex may or maynot be up to the power but there are a very large number of VAG duel clutch boxes that have had problems, i certainly would not be wanting to pay for one
Haven't had my coffee yet 
So when you're in the pub/at a wedding/outside the school gates talking to non PHPBDs and they know you're a) in to cars and b) have just pulled up in your shiny new JDM only Honduki Pelvic Thrust R, what question are they going to ask, and how are you going to answer in terms they understand?
I'm sure most people bothered enough to ask you about it know as a rough guide that
>10 = anything with a colour in the name to infer cheap tax that has exaggerated economy claims
<10= shopping trolley/ family car
<9= best you could get on your boggo company car list
<8= warm hatch/larger exec cruiser.
<7=hot hatches/ small execs with the better engines
<6=6cyl jap flyer, execs with the nice sounding engines
<5= german stuff with extra letters on the end and supercars built by firms that build 10 and then go bust, as their marketing man said "sub4"
<4=anything that has BRAKE members twitching with an uncontrollable urge to set fire to.
But if you start talking 30-70 times their eyes may wander up and right as they actually try to imagine themselves doing it in their own car as they currently have no reference.
I'm sure most people bothered enough to ask you about it know as a rough guide that
>10 = anything with a colour in the name to infer cheap tax that has exaggerated economy claims
<10= shopping trolley/ family car
<9= best you could get on your boggo company car list
<8= warm hatch/larger exec cruiser.
<7=hot hatches/ small execs with the better engines
<6=6cyl jap flyer, execs with the nice sounding engines
<5= german stuff with extra letters on the end and supercars built by firms that build 10 and then go bust, as their marketing man said "sub4"
<4=anything that has BRAKE members twitching with an uncontrollable urge to set fire to.
But if you start talking 30-70 times their eyes may wander up and right as they actually try to imagine themselves doing it in their own car as they currently have no reference.
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