RE: Megane Renaultsport 275 Trophy-R
Discussion
I take it you haven't checked my garage? I've been driving an Elise to work every day for the last seven years. 
dukebox9reg said:
Give it 6 months and the Megane's will be worth a lot less than the Leon. Silly comparison used vs new as an argument like that. Could say that about the Megane in a years time, why buy a new Leon from the dealer, the 1 yr old RS is faster out the box and you can spend the money saved on bits to make it faster still....' You'll keep going round in circles.
Are you sure? Look how much an 08/09 r26.r is worth against an 08/09 cupra R.This will hold value like the .r's...
So far as `ring times are concerned, I am more interested in results achieved by standard production cars on normal road going (not Cup) tyres. That chap from from the German Autosport mag (featured here the other day) has the right approach and, it seems, produces the most useful and reliable results.
A useful add on to this story would be the comparison results he achieved with standard production hot hatches. Could Mr Trent please produce these with appropriate acknowledgments?
A useful add on to this story would be the comparison results he achieved with standard production hot hatches. Could Mr Trent please produce these with appropriate acknowledgments?
hondansx said:
The point is, if you limit yourself to two seats, why bother getting a hatchback? I am massive hot hatch fan and Renault fan because they do everything, but if you take away 'the point' (i.e. sports car performance yet can carry your family) then why wouldn't you just get a (RWD) sports car to begin with?
Because I can get much more stuff into a hatchback than I can into a coupe. Like a bike, furniture, matress (ok - folded in half 
), two small club chairs, two weeks' luggage for two people. All real life examples - of course, not everything at once. There's a load of hatchback owners that haven't got families, but would benefit the extra space. Why I've always wanted a Z3M, too!
Not to mention looks - not everyone has to prefer coupes over hatchbacks.
Edited by menoy on Monday 16th June 15:38
menoy said:
hondansx said:
The point is, if you limit yourself to two seats, why bother getting a hatchback? I am massive hot hatch fan and Renault fan because they do everything, but if you take away 'the point' (i.e. sports car performance yet can carry your family) then why wouldn't you just get a (RWD) sports car to begin with?
Because I can get much more stuff into a hatchback than I can into a coupe. Like a bike, furniture, matress (ok - folded in half ), two small club chairs, two weeks' luggage for two people. All real life examples - of course, not everything at once. There's a load of hatchback owners that haven't got families, but would benefit the extra space. Why I've always wanted a Z3M, too!
Not to mention looks - not everyone has to prefer coupes over hatchbacks.
Edited by menoy on Monday 16th June 15:38
All i'd say there is that Renault struggled to sell the R26R, so i'd like to feel my opinion is the majority's. In that respect, Renault are sensible to offer the 'Ring kit as an option. Sadly, i think many of us are more talk or action...otherwise we'd all drive a GT86.
I'm willing to bet the 'R' version has a completely different character to the standard Trophy. And that's what the 30 owners will be paying for.
As with the R26.R, a lot of people here seem to be missing the point. It's an attempt at reconciling a track only race car with a road going hot hatch. There's nothing complicated about that premise.
As with the R26.R, a lot of people here seem to be missing the point. It's an attempt at reconciling a track only race car with a road going hot hatch. There's nothing complicated about that premise.
SarGara said:
Find me a RWD sports car with this level of performance, brand new with warranty at the same price point to make this arguement justified?
http://www.nissan.co.uk/GB/en/vehicles/sports-cars... (£27'015OTR)
This is interesting but I noticed that after a lot of pruning the car still weighs 1280 kg. My first car, dare I admit it, was a 1957 Hillman Minx which had a kerb weight of 2200 lbs, that's 1000 kg. It was all steel (ok not very good steel), steel wheels, a cast iron block, bench seats front and rear. oh yes, and a heater. So where has all the extra weight come from in modern cars? The 'ring Megane 28% heavier than a bog standard 1957 Minx?
hondansx said:
Well then that's great, hope you enjoy the Megane then
All i'd say there is that Renault struggled to sell the R26R, so i'd like to feel my opinion is the majority's. In that respect, Renault are sensible to offer the 'Ring kit as an option. Sadly, i think many of us are more talk or action...otherwise we'd all drive a GT86.
They struggled to sell a very niche car at exactly the same time the Global financial crisis happened, to be fair. I don't think it was the car as such that caused the problem. All i'd say there is that Renault struggled to sell the R26R, so i'd like to feel my opinion is the majority's. In that respect, Renault are sensible to offer the 'Ring kit as an option. Sadly, i think many of us are more talk or action...otherwise we'd all drive a GT86.
AdrianGail said:
You'd need the Nismo to rival the Trophy-R though and thats £37,015 OTR, theres no official 370z time but the 350z was 08:26.dazsmith69 said:
hondansx said:
The point is, if you limit yourself to two seats, why bother getting a hatchback? I am massive hot hatch fan and Renault fan because they do everything, but if you take away 'the point' (i.e. sports car performance yet can carry your family) then why wouldn't you just get a (RWD) sports car to begin with?
completely agree. I expect the Trophy R would be outstanding on a track.
TurboBlue said:
dazsmith69 said:
hondansx said:
The point is, if you limit yourself to two seats, why bother getting a hatchback? I am massive hot hatch fan and Renault fan because they do everything, but if you take away 'the point' (i.e. sports car performance yet can carry your family) then why wouldn't you just get a (RWD) sports car to begin with?
completely agree. I expect the Trophy R would be outstanding on a track.
I'm not denying the Clios are accessible and fun on track, I've had them, but they are one trick ponies, as are all FWDs. After a while of tracking one, you'd soon realise they don't offer the challenge and depth of experience that a RWD car will.
hondansx said:
Weren't they the proper Clio racers?
I'm not denying the Clios are accessible and fun on track, I've had them, but they are one trick ponies, as are all FWDs. After a while of tracking one, you'd soon realise they don't offer the challenge and depth of experience that a RWD car will.
Yes, they were the racing version.I'm not denying the Clios are accessible and fun on track, I've had them, but they are one trick ponies, as are all FWDs. After a while of tracking one, you'd soon realise they don't offer the challenge and depth of experience that a RWD car will.
Don't want to re-start some FWD/RW debate but my initial post was about how the Trophy-R would lend itself to track work regardless of which wheels are being driven. It might seem expensive and less than practical as a road car but the second hand values of the previous incarnation - the R26.R have hardly dropped in price at all (especially if you take VAT and discount into account) - the only one I could see on A/T earlier was still £20,000.
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