RE: Megane Renaultsport 275 Trophy-R
Discussion
davyvee said:
Oh yes. The megane 275 Trophy R (with 'ring' spec ).
How many will spec the full monty for £4x,xxx? I wouldn't be surprised if Renault didn't offer it full stop.
I don't understand the point you're trying to make.How many will spec the full monty for £4x,xxx? I wouldn't be surprised if Renault didn't offer it full stop.
Seat set the record by removing air-con (which is standard on the model they were using), and fitting the vehicle with bits that you can't spec from new.
Renault have broken it with a car you can buy, in a trim you can buy.
The Boosh said:
davyvee said:
Oh yes. The megane 275 Trophy R (with 'ring' spec ).
How many will spec the full monty for £4x,xxx? I wouldn't be surprised if Renault didn't offer it full stop.
I don't understand the point you're trying to make.How many will spec the full monty for £4x,xxx? I wouldn't be surprised if Renault didn't offer it full stop.
Seat set the record by removing air-con (which is standard on the model they were using), and fitting the vehicle with bits that you can't spec from new.
Renault have broken it with a car you can buy, in a trim you can buy.
Well done renault and also well done for upsetting all the old track day gods on here that all drive light rwd supercars that cost £15k
Also well done for upsetting all the vag fanboys, that alone is enough for it to be produced in my worthless opinion especially as it's a 4 year old design !!
Also well done for upsetting all the vag fanboys, that alone is enough for it to be produced in my worthless opinion especially as it's a 4 year old design !!
ianandgwenda said:
This is interesting but I noticed that after a lot of pruning the car still weighs 1280 kg. My first car, dare I admit it, was a 1957 Hillman Minx which had a kerb weight of 2200 lbs, that's 1000 kg. It was all steel (ok not very good steel), steel wheels, a cast iron block, bench seats front and rear. oh yes, and a heater. So where has all the extra weight come from in modern cars? The 'ring Megane 28% heavier than a bog standard 1957 Minx?
Crash your minx into the megane... you will get your answerhondansx said:
Well then that's great, hope you enjoy the Megane then 
All i'd say there is that Renault struggled to sell the R26R, so i'd like to feel my opinion is the majority's. In that respect, Renault are sensible to offer the 'Ring kit as an option. Sadly, i think many of us are more talk or action...otherwise we'd all drive a GT86.
Yer... ummm.. wouldn't have a couple grand to lend? All i'd say there is that Renault struggled to sell the R26R, so i'd like to feel my opinion is the majority's. In that respect, Renault are sensible to offer the 'Ring kit as an option. Sadly, i think many of us are more talk or action...otherwise we'd all drive a GT86.
With what you added now though, you're throwing price into the mix too - that's a whole different issue. Were the R26R and TrophyR cheaper, I'm pretty sure the lack of rear seats wouldn't have been too much of an issue. The R26R sold in the end and, as mentioned, look at where the prices are going nowadays. I was merely addressing the matter of a non-rear seated hatchback making no sense.
Lets hope they sell better this time around.
If not, they are unlikely to make the same mistake 3 times and (currently) appreciating R26.R values won't do an awful lot for Renault.
So, everyone you have been warned....
PS much as I admire the concept, its too hard core for me! No a/c, pah! Oh, and, er its a Renault...which after a bad experience, I won't ever repeat.
If not, they are unlikely to make the same mistake 3 times and (currently) appreciating R26.R values won't do an awful lot for Renault.
So, everyone you have been warned....
PS much as I admire the concept, its too hard core for me! No a/c, pah! Oh, and, er its a Renault...which after a bad experience, I won't ever repeat.
Edited by GTEYE on Monday 16th June 17:15
Fiar play to Renault for building these but not sure I would want one, it isnt a track day car, I mean, whats the point of a FWD 30 grand Renault for doing track days, they make it all focused so it knackers it as a road car, i.e. hard suspension, No AC, no rear seats, just seems a weird car to use as a track car.
As an exercise to produce a track focussed car, based on a family hatch (albeit very loosely), it's interesting and continues Renaults domination of potential track time with suitable performance bells and whistles reasonably priced well sorted hatch to start with.
Really though you should take a "stock" car that represents the sort of car you will see/normally drive on the road (without track/cup tyres on) as a bit more meaningful comparison of out of the box performance.
So against the typical hot hatch model:
The Megane is three door only, and quite claustrophobic in the back, with rubbish visibility.
Compared to a proper 5 door hatch, Focus, Golf or Leon it is not as nice a place to be other than perhaps as the driver ;-) and the dials are horrible and tilted. In stock 265 form it is lively enough but the others have overtaken it with more modern tech, power etc in track times if not performance feel/dynamics.
Don't get me wrong I like the notion and performance of the Megane and have driven it a few times on track etc. It keeps the Germans on their toes.
But we bought a Golf R manual (with a couple of toys at 34K and to supplement the Sports cars) and it ticks all the boxes as a DD hot hatch, that will perform in all weathers, carry people, luggage in comfort and is ballistic in point to point capability...what a hot hatch is really meant to do.
only IMHO of course.
Really though you should take a "stock" car that represents the sort of car you will see/normally drive on the road (without track/cup tyres on) as a bit more meaningful comparison of out of the box performance.
So against the typical hot hatch model:
The Megane is three door only, and quite claustrophobic in the back, with rubbish visibility.
Compared to a proper 5 door hatch, Focus, Golf or Leon it is not as nice a place to be other than perhaps as the driver ;-) and the dials are horrible and tilted. In stock 265 form it is lively enough but the others have overtaken it with more modern tech, power etc in track times if not performance feel/dynamics.
Don't get me wrong I like the notion and performance of the Megane and have driven it a few times on track etc. It keeps the Germans on their toes.
But we bought a Golf R manual (with a couple of toys at 34K and to supplement the Sports cars) and it ticks all the boxes as a DD hot hatch, that will perform in all weathers, carry people, luggage in comfort and is ballistic in point to point capability...what a hot hatch is really meant to do.
only IMHO of course.
J4CKO said:
Fiar play to Renault for building these but not sure I would want one, it isnt a track day car, I mean, whats the point of a FWD 30 grand Renault for doing track days, they make it all focused so it knackers it as a road car, i.e. hard suspension, No AC, no rear seats, just seems a weird car to use as a track car.
It's a good point,My first reaction was : awesome, I want one.
But then, yes, issues....
It's no good as a road car
Too valuable as a track car (and arguably not fun enough due to RWD limitation...)
Too rubbish to attract people with lots of money
Still want one. And probably the halo affect for RenaultSport they covet.
Love it how this is making everybody mad, like this car is offending the main reason of their lives, don't like it move on.
And where are those who about a year ago said Renault have gone soft and sh!t and will never release a car like R26.r anymore? surely everyone would have bought one in a heartbeat then...
Still though if you want a normal hot hatch there is the 275 Trophy no? this is the trackday version with no rear seats,seems like they wanted to please everyone with these.
And where are those who about a year ago said Renault have gone soft and sh!t and will never release a car like R26.r anymore? surely everyone would have bought one in a heartbeat then...
Still though if you want a normal hot hatch there is the 275 Trophy no? this is the trackday version with no rear seats,seems like they wanted to please everyone with these.
there's so much s
te written in pistonheads these days, & I've always noticed just how much there is when it comes to the R26.R!For what it's worth, the R26.R had softer springs than the standard car-it was lighter for heavens sake! Also, thy found them hard to sell mainly due to the financial crash-new car sales pretty much fell off a cliff a few weeks before it came out but they still managed to sell 156 of them in the uk-mine was #154.
Some had to be discounted to find owners, mine included. However, even with it's list price of iirc around £26k it would realistically be worth at least £15k now & if this bubble continues to grow it might even appreciate. That's cheap motoring for a proxy fwd hot hatch that no one wants as it isn't a hot hatch eh?
Anyway, I've been down to my dealer & they're wanting a £5k deposit to secure with deliveries commencing in October/November (bit cheeky letting folk have it just when the track season closes!).
They're keeping me informed, I'm not committing to anything until I find out what the ring pack costs to add to it
Here's my old one bimbling around some German road that no self respecting PH'r would ever go near
Edited by LaurasOtherHalf on Monday 16th June 18:08
skyrover said:
ianandgwenda said:
This is interesting but I noticed that after a lot of pruning the car still weighs 1280 kg. My first car, dare I admit it, was a 1957 Hillman Minx which had a kerb weight of 2200 lbs, that's 1000 kg. It was all steel (ok not very good steel), steel wheels, a cast iron block, bench seats front and rear. oh yes, and a heater. So where has all the extra weight come from in modern cars? The 'ring Megane 28% heavier than a bog standard 1957 Minx?
Crash your minx into the megane... you will get your answerianandgwenda said:
This is interesting but I noticed that after a lot of pruning the car still weighs 1280 kg. My first car, dare I admit it, was a 1957 Hillman Minx which had a kerb weight of 2200 lbs, that's 1000 kg. It was all steel (ok not very good steel), steel wheels, a cast iron block, bench seats front and rear. oh yes, and a heater. So where has all the extra weight come from in modern cars? The 'ring Megane 28% heavier than a bog standard 1957 Minx?
Not this old brainless nonsense again. Modern cars are not heavy, even when compared to any other any other era. The problem is that they are bloody huge.
The fanboyism around this is quite amusing; I don't care if Renault or Seat or Honda win, it's only important that they're racing, trying to outdo each other. I don't care whether the cars are standard or modified, for sale in the exact spec or an acceptable approximation, they're being honest about it. Shut the fk up and enjoy the fact they're enjoying going fast, it's exactly what I'd want to do if I was building cars.
k up and enjoy the fact they're enjoying going fast, it's exactly what I'd want to do if I was building cars. The Vambo said:
Not this old brainless nonsense again.
Modern cars are not heavy, even when compared to any other any other era. The problem is that they are bloody huge.
Not to mention the crash protection built in, which was something that wasn't really much of a consideration back in the olde days.Modern cars are not heavy, even when compared to any other any other era. The problem is that they are bloody huge.
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