RE: Megane Renaultsport 275 Trophy-R
Discussion
SarGara said:
AdrianGail said:
You'd need the Nismo to rival the Trophy-R though and thats £37,015 OTR, theres no official 370z time but the 350z was 08:26.
I wonder what the time would be if it had some weight taken out, fancy dampers, track day tyres etc, I think pretty much any car could get this treatment and post a better time than the cooking version, suppose the difference is Renault do it and the others dont, The Focus RS posted the same time as the 350Z, I cant see any reason why with the same treatment it wouldnt be as fast as the Renault.
At least with the 370Z you wouldnt have to explain why it had no rear seats to everyone who you give a lift to
The thing is that back in the late 90s guys were doing low 8 min laps or occasionally beating that with16v golf mk2s. Admittedly with trick bits on, but less trick than these super hatches nowadays.
I presume it is weight that is still the killer, stripped out mk2 16vs are what, 900 kg?
I presume it is weight that is still the killer, stripped out mk2 16vs are what, 900 kg?
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Work harder 
I know you're being cheeky, but that's not the point. I can afford one. I just refuse to spend that much money on a car which in base trim costs about 15 grand and is about to be replaced with a new model. 40 grand for a hatchback. I don't care how good it is on the limit or around the ring. One day you'll pull up at a petrol station and sitting next to you will be a proper £40k car. Something you don't have to explain why it costs that much. And at that moment you'll know you bought the wrong car. Not a problem for people with loads of disposable income, but if you've stretched yourself to the limit to get the car.....different story. 
irish boy said:
I would want a/c and a stereo in mine….not convinced the Nuremberg pack is necessary? Lighter battery etc? Depends on the cost….if it pushes it from 36k to over 40k they can keep it.
I'm not sure some black armbands, a few swazstikas and some black boots are necessary either SonicHedgeHog said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Work harder
I know you're being cheeky, but that's not the point. I can afford one. I just refuse to spend that much money on a car which in base trim costs about 15 grand and is about to be replaced with a new model. 40 grand for a hatchback. I don't care how good it is on the limit or around the ring. One day you'll pull up at a petrol station and sitting next to you will be a proper £40k car. Something you don't have to explain why it costs that much. And at that moment you'll know you bought the wrong car. Not a problem for people with loads of disposable income, but if you've stretched yourself to the limit to get the car.....different story. kambites said:
Is a base price of £15k and a peak price of £36k a wider margin than any of the competition or indeed than any other car with a broad spectrum of models. How much does an M3 cost compared to a 318d; or an RS3 compared to a base model A3?
I'm not sure it's ever happened before, but I agree with kambites!A base 3 series & a spec'd up M3 is more like £40k spread & I'd hazard a guess that with a 5 series it might be even more.
Like it or lump it, cars are expensive things these days, £20k gets you next to nothing unless you like fleet spec fords or Koreans.
The kit you're getting for your £36k on this thing is pretty epic-have you watched the video & seen the brakes & suspension?! I bet there's over £5k in there alone & that's before you take into consideration a multinational company setting it up & warranting it for you.
I'm sure we all remember the days of £20k escort cossies & imprezas but £40k back then got you a half decent little house.
Put it this way, this fully homologated, extremely trick, fully waranteed track car is £36k- or two thirds the price of an M3 that it can actually keep up with. Remember when bmw built their super trick M3 gts? That was over £100k!
kambites said:
Is a base price of £15k and a peak price of £36k a wider margin than any of the competition or indeed than any other car with a broad spectrum of models. How much does an M3 cost compared to a 318d; or an RS3 compared to a base model A3?
Pedant alert! The list price with necessary options will be over £40k. I know what you're getting at, but with all other top of the range models you feel like you're getting something really special. With this Megane they've added off the shelf Ohlins a fancy exhaust and some sticky tyres. The rest is weight saving. There's no special engine and gearbox, no significant cosmetic bits. This is a car that was designed with one thing in mind and that is a lap time. I doubt Renault care whether they sell a single one. The publicity is worth the investment.
This car is just stupidly overpriced. And unlike the R26R I'm not sure it will be depreciation proof. Turbo technology and clever diffs are moving the game on so fast that this car will soon be eclipsed. I know the R26R isn't the fastest any more but it was sensibly priced to begin with. The new one is so overpriced that once it isn't the fastest it's going to lose money fast.
I'm just really annoyed that Renault think this is worth 40 grand. I actually feel quite insulted that they think I might pay that much for a hatchback.
One other thing. With other base models you actually get a car that is more premium than the price suggests. A boggo 3 series has the same soft touch plastics and general feel of quality as models further up the range. The boggo Megane feels crap to begin with. Jazz it up into arguably the best hot hatch (the standard Renaultsport) and you can look beyond the lack of quality because it drives so well. But to then jazz it up again with changes that will make next to no difference in day to day driving and think you can squeeze another £15k out of buyers is....well....it makes my blood boil.
Bring back my old Civic Type R. £16895 on the road with an engine and gearbox to die for. All the car I ever needed.
Bring back my old Civic Type R. £16895 on the road with an engine and gearbox to die for. All the car I ever needed.
SonicHedgeHog said:
This car is just stupidly overpriced. And unlike the R26R I'm not sure it will be depreciation proof. Turbo technology and clever diffs are moving the game on so fast that this car will soon be eclipsed. I know the R26R isn't the fastest any more but it was sensibly priced to begin with. The new one is so overpriced that once it isn't the fastest it's going to lose money fast.
I'm just really annoyed that Renault think this is worth 40 grand. I actually feel quite insulted that they think I might pay that much for a hatchback.
It really wasn't I'm just really annoyed that Renault think this is worth 40 grand. I actually feel quite insulted that they think I might pay that much for a hatchback.
we had the same rubbish from posters the last time round-"£28k for a Renault with plastic windows!" This was when Renault were offering showroom stock standard R26s at under £20k & Clio cups below £16k.You're right about it just being a publicity stunt though-any costs not recouped by selling (only 30 in the uk of) them will be more than made up by the column inches.
But hey, this is pistonheads where cars need to weigh & be priced like their 1980's ancestors
SonicHedgeHog said:
But to then jazz it up again with changes that will make next to no difference in day to day driving and think you can squeeze another £15k out of buyers is....well....it makes my blood boil.
Bring back my old Civic Type R. £16895 on the road with an engine and gearbox to die for. All the car I ever needed.
Oh my goodness do you have autism or something?! Do you seriously think Renault think they're going to sell them to the general public as every day cars? They're looking for 30 people who fancy doing track days in them you 'tard! It's hardly their long term business model Bring back my old Civic Type R. £16895 on the road with an engine and gearbox to die for. All the car I ever needed.
SarGara said:
AdrianGail said:
You'd need the Nismo to rival the Trophy-R though and thats £37,015 OTR, theres no official 370z time but the 350z was 08:26.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars/87055/faste...
A more wiggly track than ring but the nismo would favour the long straights of the ring anyway.
What's the point in comparing a 370 time to a 350 time? There are 3 versions. Ones 270 odd bhp, ones 290 odd and ones 313bhp ish.
The 370z is 328bhp with a completely different set up.
There's no real point in putting the meganes new time down as we know the old one from 2006 does it in 'xyz'
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Oh my goodness do you have autism or something?! Do you seriously think Renault think they're going to sell them to the general public as every day cars? They're looking for 30 people who fancy doing track days in them you 'tard! It's hardly their long term business model
Thanks for the unnecessary insults. Charming.So, you're saying they were never intended to be used frequently on the road. If that's the case then they shouldn't be compared to the SEAT which is very much an everyday car. Can't have it both ways.
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