SUV driver attempts to kill cyclist, smashes into salon
Discussion
jimbop1 said:
Well the cyclist is quite an important factor in the situation 
Why is it? She lost control of her 2.5 tonne vehicle in an urban situation. There were people in the salon and there were children in the car but luckily nobody on the pavement so it is very, very lucky that nobody was hurt or killed. It is in these situations (loss of control etc) that result 1700 deaths a year and possibly hundreds of thousands of injuries.What relevance does a cyclist and poss a hundred quids worth of damage have in this context?
was damaged.Corpulent Tosser said:
No evidence been presented that the Audi driver deliberately drove at the cyclist.
The first or the second time? But no, at the moment there is no evidence of any deliberate acts here, but if it emerges that there were by gum she's in the s
t.The cyclist will almost certainly get off scot free 'cos what he did is of no comparison, and is barely worth discussing , never mind dominating the thread.
Randy Winkman said:
I've just come back from 2 weeks in Denmark (OK, a little island called Fano) and in many respects, coming back to the UK is like going back in time. People here should see how cyclists take precedence there, it's really .... er .... modern. It's like 2014, you know, up to date.
Yep, I the same whenever I'm in Benelux somewhere. It's not just modern, but its the sense of freedom, particularly the freedom that the kids over there have. I'd say you can see why the children of the Netherlands are said to be the happiest children in Europe and why Britain's children are the unhealthiest and unhappiest in Europe - ferried everywhere by mum and dad which means their own personal space and time is much more restricted and how they do so much less exercise, get so much less fresh air.jimbop1 said:
If you read previous posts I don't have a problem with all cyclist, just certain ones that seem to think they can do whatever they want.
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This is the bit I don't get. Doesn't that above statement apply exactly to motorists? .
There's a piece on the news sites today saying that head teachers have begged Eric Pickles not to ban CCTV from monitoring parking outside of schools, because they just don't know of any other way to stop reckless and selfish parents from endangering the lives of children with their illegal parking and dangerous behaviour.
There is nothing the car driver won't do (speaking as someone who pays little heed to speed limits). I don't know how a motorist can make the statement that Jimbob does, especially when he's a group of people who, as pointed out, kills several people every single day.
Gaz. said:
You can't go on about others risking the safety of others if you are also choosing to risk your safety by RLJ. RLJ by any road user is bloody stupid, infuriating and can have grave consequences for both parties.
It's not really. Apart from the sheer amount of time we all might spend at red lights for traffic lights that either need not be there at all or need not be switched on at that time - a cyclist can cross the lights if he jumps off and runs across wheeling his bike, so why worry if he stays on the bike?You can end up wasting a heck of a long time sat at red lights when there's nothing else about, and whilst I may rarely do so, I don't see how it is dangerous to cross red lights at deserted junctions.
oyster said:
I don't care if it's not dangerous - it's the law applied to the road on which I want to travel. That's why I stop at lights. I give people space if they need it and I show them respect on the roads.
However, get dangerously close and I will bang on your car (albeit with soft-gloved, non-scratching hands!).
Nah, this is all hogwash. I bet you park on pavements, I bet you break speed limits, apart from banging on people's cars which must be breaking some kind of law, shirley? However, get dangerously close and I will bang on your car (albeit with soft-gloved, non-scratching hands!).
When sat at a red light at a deserted junction it can be hard to find someone to show respect too.
Mave said:
The real harm is what it's doing to the image of cyclists. By appearing to consider yourself above the law, you've instantly given up your right to expect others to obey the law. So a motorist gets to defend a close pass in the same way you get to defend a RLJ.
Presumably those 'others' are the motorists going through red and amber stop lights, in similar numbers to cyclists?Mr2Mike said:
Where did you get those stats? Vastly more cyclists run red lights than cars IME, and they blatantly run lights that have been red for some time. Cars that run red lights are most often the ones trying to get through on amber (not that this excuses their behavior).
EDIT:
A quarter of cyclists believe it's acceptable to run red lights. Do you think a quarter of car drivers believe the same?
Well, overall 87% of those cyclists will be motorists, outside of London it'll be much nearer to 100% so yes, I do.EDIT:
A quarter of cyclists believe it's acceptable to run red lights. Do you think a quarter of car drivers believe the same?
Edited by Mr2Mike on Tuesday 1st July 18:47
Mr2Mike said:
So you believe that cyclists that blatantly ride through red lights behave in exactly the same way when driving a car? You don't think, for example, that red light cameras would modify their behavior, or the fact that it's rather difficult to jump a red light in a car if there is already traffic waiting?
Put it another way then: I've never heard of an RLJing cyclist hurting anyone. I dare say someone has been, somewhere, but it is very, very rare.Motorists who drive at the wrong speed however, or motorists driving badly, kill thousands per year.
So by all means do all you can to stop cyclists jumping red lights but it'll jack s
t difference to annual casualty figures.So why do we worry about it, why are we even talking about it?
(And whilst on the subject I'll just say again that for 30-odd years i've been watching on average 10 cars a month cross red lights, and possibly hundreds a month cross amber stop lights).
IroningMan said:
Why should anti bad driving = anti motorist...?
Exactly. What the hell is going on with this thread?3 yrs nick and a four year ban. http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/ou...
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