SUV driver attempts to kill cyclist, smashes into salon
Discussion
skyrover said:
Have a word...
I'm not advocating hitting him back, but at the very least confront him over it
I said I may or may not confront him, it would depend on the situation and what was going on. It may depend on whether I think it's worth risking my life or well being for a bit of kicked tin or a few quid.I'm not advocating hitting him back, but at the very least confront him over it
skyrover said:
heebeegeetee said:
skyrover said:
Really?
Well what would you suggest I do?I'm not advocating hitting him back, but at the very least confront him over it
heebeegeetee: I wouldn't do anything. Because I would avoid a confrontation that led to them kicking my car in the first place. In any case, there's not really much that you can do if a cyclist boots your car even if they damage it. At least, that's how I feel about it as a driver/car owner.
Whilst I feel angry about this stupid bint, I know that she has immediately got her comeuppance. *Calls her insurance company*, "I'd like to make a claim please", "OK can I have some details of the incident?", "Yes I got into an argument with someone and they kicked my car. I then proceeded to try and run them over and in the process hit a van and ended up driving through the front of a shop.", "OK madam I would just like to inform you that your policy has been voided and that you have been blacklisted on the insurance database. Is there anything else I can help you with?".
Edit: Or at the least she'll be getting astronomical quotes when it comes to renewal time.
Edit: Or at the least she'll be getting astronomical quotes when it comes to renewal time.
Edited by timjswan on Wednesday 18th June 12:02
timjswan said:
Whilst I feel angry about this stupid bint, I know that she has immediately got her comeuppance. *Calls her insurance company*, "I'd like to make a claim please", "OK can I have some details of the incident?", "Yes I got into an argument with someone and they kicked my car. I then proceeded to try and run them over and in the process hit a van and ended up driving through the front of a shop.", "OK madam I would just like to inform you that your policy has been voided and that you have been blacklisted on the insurance database. Is there anything else I can help you with?".
Sadly more like " A nasty man kicked my car and frightened my 5 kids, causing me to lose control of the car - it was all his fault" or " I can't remember what happened except my children and I were terrified by a dangerous aggressive man who attacked our car"V8forweekends said:
Sadly more like " A nasty man kicked my car and frightened my 5 kids, causing me to lose control of the car - it was all his fault" or " I can't remember what happened except my children and I were terrified by a dangerous aggressive man who attacked our car"
I see what you're saying but considering the substantial evidence going against her I think she would have a hard time lying her way out of this situation. If someone on a bike kicked my car I would just drive off and the situation is over, done, finito. I'm not sure who is the more mentally disabled but I'm starting to think it might be the Q7 driver.Edit: Even if she did lie and got some compensation from this. If her insurance company found out about the true events later surely they would just void her policy anyway as it a material fact?
Edited by timjswan on Wednesday 18th June 12:10
She has self-evidently lost the plot completely. You have to remember that your car is a lethal weapon (and quite an unpredictable one) if you let your anger translate into driving inputs.
I would have been tempted to pull over safely and then peg it after the guy and secure him until the police arrived. But I'm a powerhouse and not a mother of 5.
I would have been tempted to pull over safely and then peg it after the guy and secure him until the police arrived. But I'm a powerhouse and not a mother of 5.
Cyclists generally dont go round kicking cars, if it happens (it shouldnt) then it is usually down to someone doing something dangerous or agressive, sometimes just the cyclist being an arse and after some camera footage but to be honest though I could damage a car by kicking it I suspect it would hurt me more than the car and really dont want my feet out near rapidly rotating wheels.
I have "hit" a car, with my handlebars, being overtaken into a roundabout, me on the left to turn left a girl in a Corsa goes past and squeezes me into the kerb as she pulls in whilst still alongside leaving me nowhere to go and my bars hit her car, I knock on the window (with a heavily gloved hand, was depths of winter)and she slams on completely and stops, she gets out and goes mental at me for "touching her car", I politely explained my point of view and she was using her phone to check for damage that I would have to pay for ! I just rode off at that point as I may have actually damaged the car if subjected to more of that.
I have "hit" a car, with my handlebars, being overtaken into a roundabout, me on the left to turn left a girl in a Corsa goes past and squeezes me into the kerb as she pulls in whilst still alongside leaving me nowhere to go and my bars hit her car, I knock on the window (with a heavily gloved hand, was depths of winter)and she slams on completely and stops, she gets out and goes mental at me for "touching her car", I politely explained my point of view and she was using her phone to check for damage that I would have to pay for ! I just rode off at that point as I may have actually damaged the car if subjected to more of that.
18FAN said:
Justified - self defence.
We've all see the Range Rover incident. SW London is constantly congested hinted at by the the fact that there had already been an argument between the pair where the lady is unlikely to have been able to drive away before this violent cyclist kicked her vehicle. Who is to say he would not have smashed a window showering her children with glass when she would've had to have stop a few yards down the road? How many would take that risk when carrying their children (powerfully built directors excluded).
When I read your first post above I though "Hmm, devils advocate or idiot of the first order".We've all see the Range Rover incident. SW London is constantly congested hinted at by the the fact that there had already been an argument between the pair where the lady is unlikely to have been able to drive away before this violent cyclist kicked her vehicle. Who is to say he would not have smashed a window showering her children with glass when she would've had to have stop a few yards down the road? How many would take that risk when carrying their children (powerfully built directors excluded).
Your subsequent posts have revealed the answer to this conundrum is most definitely idiot. There are so many holes in your assumptions it is hard to know where to start.
Interested to know what actually happens with insurance in cases like this. Are we saying the insurers will pay out to the 3rd party, refuse her claim on her own vehicle, void her policy, then chase her for costs? Could she plead some kind of fear/irrational insanity in order to be covered?
hornetrider said:
Interested to know what actually happens with insurance in cases like this. Are we saying the insurers will pay out to the 3rd party, refuse her claim on her own vehicle, void her policy, then chase her for costs? Could she plead some kind of fear/irrational insanity in order to be covered?
I imagine she would have to plead against her fear/irrational insanity in order to get covered again. 
Whatever you think about people riding bikes, her reaction was not normal, and it suggests she probably has issues if that is how she behaves with kids in the car. I sincerely hope that she has to pay for the car herself, and that insurance doesn't cover any of it.
There are a lot of cyclists where this happened, I live round the corner, however there are far too many people driving such short distances, its no wonder things come together. Its quite telling that when its the school holidays the roads in Richmond Park and near the gate in Kingston/Roehampton are almost empty by comparison.
There are a lot of cyclists where this happened, I live round the corner, however there are far too many people driving such short distances, its no wonder things come together. Its quite telling that when its the school holidays the roads in Richmond Park and near the gate in Kingston/Roehampton are almost empty by comparison.
Does the fact that she hit the shop window not indicate a lack of control of the vehicle? I mean what motive would she have for crashing into the window?
If she was out of control, one could suggest that perhaps she did not intend to run over the cyclist. Perhaps she was distracted/scared/alarmed by the argument with the cyclist and suffered from the common automatic accelerator/brake confusion?
It is not clear from the article WHO is suggesting that she deliberately attempted to harm the cyclist (i.e. the cyclist himself, eyewitnesses, the police). Is it possible that the press have spiced this up?
If she was out of control, one could suggest that perhaps she did not intend to run over the cyclist. Perhaps she was distracted/scared/alarmed by the argument with the cyclist and suffered from the common automatic accelerator/brake confusion?
It is not clear from the article WHO is suggesting that she deliberately attempted to harm the cyclist (i.e. the cyclist himself, eyewitnesses, the police). Is it possible that the press have spiced this up?
The trouble with these threads, though this one hasnt yet degenerated yet, tend to be that some drivers really dont like cyclists and some cyclists really hate drivers, particularly school run mums in posh cars, most people will not identify with someone who uses a "two tonne" (actually nearer 2.5 !) SUV as a weapon.
Another issue is that the cyclist, according to the article is autistic which may or may have not been a factor, I am no expert on Autistic Spectrum disorders but I know people with Autism dont always react to a given situation like the rest of the population, it may be irrelevant and he was just really pissed off at a move Q7 mum made, and wanted to make his point, a bit like people with Tourettes shouting profanities (I know not all people with Tourettes do that) at you, it may not be their condition, they may actually want to inform you that you are a F****** C***.
Part of the beauty, and one of the downsides to cycling is that anyone can swing a leg over a bike, kids, drunks, people with various conditions that would preclude them from driving and they get lumped in with "Cyclists", I may have shrugged off Q7 mums close pass or whatever, or perhaps politely said my piece if I got chance but someone with Autism may react differently.
Another issue is that the cyclist, according to the article is autistic which may or may have not been a factor, I am no expert on Autistic Spectrum disorders but I know people with Autism dont always react to a given situation like the rest of the population, it may be irrelevant and he was just really pissed off at a move Q7 mum made, and wanted to make his point, a bit like people with Tourettes shouting profanities (I know not all people with Tourettes do that) at you, it may not be their condition, they may actually want to inform you that you are a F****** C***.
Part of the beauty, and one of the downsides to cycling is that anyone can swing a leg over a bike, kids, drunks, people with various conditions that would preclude them from driving and they get lumped in with "Cyclists", I may have shrugged off Q7 mums close pass or whatever, or perhaps politely said my piece if I got chance but someone with Autism may react differently.
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