SUV driver attempts to kill cyclist, smashes into salon
Discussion
Zoobeef said:
For all those saying she's definitely in the wrong think about this.
She has 5 kids in the car and an argument starts with a MALE cyclist, a heated one.
The cyclist kicks the car and then threatens to do it again or smash a window etc.
The female fears for her and her kids lives as this argument has suddenly turned violent, she panics and and floors it to get away.
Tell me that isn't justified?
Obviously only the courts will know the full story but the fact she hit a few things and then the window point towards the probability she panicked and was in full flight mode.
Problem is that if you drive at someone, they have to be in front (in her case - as the bonnet is damaged), so she's hardly panicking and flooring it to get away. She's flooring it to get the opposite of away. I guess witnesses will have to be relied upon.She has 5 kids in the car and an argument starts with a MALE cyclist, a heated one.
The cyclist kicks the car and then threatens to do it again or smash a window etc.
The female fears for her and her kids lives as this argument has suddenly turned violent, she panics and and floors it to get away.
Tell me that isn't justified?
Obviously only the courts will know the full story but the fact she hit a few things and then the window point towards the probability she panicked and was in full flight mode.
Zoobeef said:
For all those saying she's definitely in the wrong think about this.
She has 5 kids in the car and an argument starts with a MALE cyclist, a heated one.
The cyclist kicks the car and then threatens to do it again or smash a window etc.
The female fears for her and her kids lives as this argument has suddenly turned violent, she panics and and floors it to get away.
Tell me that isn't justified?
That isn't justified. She has 5 kids in the car and an argument starts with a MALE cyclist, a heated one.
The cyclist kicks the car and then threatens to do it again or smash a window etc.
The female fears for her and her kids lives as this argument has suddenly turned violent, she panics and and floors it to get away.
Tell me that isn't justified?
Zoobeef said:
For all those saying she's definitely in the wrong think about this.
She has 5 kids in the car and an argument starts with a MALE cyclist, a heated one.
The cyclist kicks the car and then threatens to do it again or smash a window etc.
The female fears for her and her kids lives as this argument has suddenly turned violent, she panics and and floors it to get away.
Tell me that isn't justified?
Obviously only the courts will know the full story but the fact she hit a few things and then the window point towards the probability she panicked and was in full flight mode.
Yep, there's nothing to say she wasn't in fear as some guy is banging and kicking her car and she just floored it to get out of there.She has 5 kids in the car and an argument starts with a MALE cyclist, a heated one.
The cyclist kicks the car and then threatens to do it again or smash a window etc.
The female fears for her and her kids lives as this argument has suddenly turned violent, she panics and and floors it to get away.
Tell me that isn't justified?
Obviously only the courts will know the full story but the fact she hit a few things and then the window point towards the probability she panicked and was in full flight mode.
In that scenario, which can't be ruled out, the Range Rover in NY is in exactly the same situation of panic.
Rawwr said:
Zoobeef said:
For all those saying she's definitely in the wrong think about this.
She has 5 kids in the car and an argument starts with a MALE cyclist, a heated one.
The cyclist kicks the car and then threatens to do it again or smash a window etc.
The female fears for her and her kids lives as this argument has suddenly turned violent, she panics and and floors it to get away.
Tell me that isn't justified?
That isn't justified. She has 5 kids in the car and an argument starts with a MALE cyclist, a heated one.
The cyclist kicks the car and then threatens to do it again or smash a window etc.
The female fears for her and her kids lives as this argument has suddenly turned violent, she panics and and floors it to get away.
Tell me that isn't justified?
It isn't justified, but it is the likely explanation once the lawyers have been at it.
Zoobeef said:
For all those saying she's definitely in the wrong think about this.
She has 5 kids in the car and an argument starts with a MALE cyclist, a heated one.
The cyclist kicks the car and then threatens to do it again or smash a window etc.
The female fears for her and her kids lives as this argument has suddenly turned violent, she panics and and floors it to get away.
Tell me that isn't justified?
Obviously only the courts will know the full story but the fact she hit a few things and then the window point towards the probability she panicked and was in full flight mode.
Isn't that why she bought the massive SUV in the first place, so she would be safe in her box. How can then she not be safe when confronted by a weedy man on a bike?She has 5 kids in the car and an argument starts with a MALE cyclist, a heated one.
The cyclist kicks the car and then threatens to do it again or smash a window etc.
The female fears for her and her kids lives as this argument has suddenly turned violent, she panics and and floors it to get away.
Tell me that isn't justified?
Obviously only the courts will know the full story but the fact she hit a few things and then the window point towards the probability she panicked and was in full flight mode.
V8forweekends said:
Rawwr said:
Zoobeef said:
For all those saying she's definitely in the wrong think about this.
She has 5 kids in the car and an argument starts with a MALE cyclist, a heated one.
The cyclist kicks the car and then threatens to do it again or smash a window etc.
The female fears for her and her kids lives as this argument has suddenly turned violent, she panics and and floors it to get away.
Tell me that isn't justified?
That isn't justified. She has 5 kids in the car and an argument starts with a MALE cyclist, a heated one.
The cyclist kicks the car and then threatens to do it again or smash a window etc.
The female fears for her and her kids lives as this argument has suddenly turned violent, she panics and and floors it to get away.
Tell me that isn't justified?
It isn't justified, but it is the likely explanation once the lawyers have been at it.
TheEnd said:
Zoobeef said:
For all those saying she's definitely in the wrong think about this.
She has 5 kids in the car and an argument starts with a MALE cyclist, a heated one.
The cyclist kicks the car and then threatens to do it again or smash a window etc.
The female fears for her and her kids lives as this argument has suddenly turned violent, she panics and and floors it to get away.
Tell me that isn't justified?
Obviously only the courts will know the full story but the fact she hit a few things and then the window point towards the probability she panicked and was in full flight mode.
Yep, there's nothing to say she wasn't in fear as some guy is banging and kicking her car and she just floored it to get out of there.She has 5 kids in the car and an argument starts with a MALE cyclist, a heated one.
The cyclist kicks the car and then threatens to do it again or smash a window etc.
The female fears for her and her kids lives as this argument has suddenly turned violent, she panics and and floors it to get away.
Tell me that isn't justified?
Obviously only the courts will know the full story but the fact she hit a few things and then the window point towards the probability she panicked and was in full flight mode.
In that scenario, which can't be ruled out, the Range Rover in NY is in exactly the same situation of panic.
More likely; she's cut him up, he catches up with her in traffic, kicks out at the car on the way past and carries on down the road, she sees red, floors it and aims for him. A pair of idiots but only one of them was flailing around with a deadly weapon.
Mr Will said:
The fact that she managed to hit him before ploughing in to the van, across the pavement and in to the shop suggests that wasn't the case. For that to have to happen he'd have to be in front of her and if you're going to kick 2.5 tonnes of SUV, you'd have to be pretty stupid to get in front of it first.
More likely; she's cut him up, he catches up with her in traffic, kicks out at the car on the way past and carries on down the road, she sees red, floors it and aims for him. A pair of idiots but only one of them was flailing around with a deadly weapon.
If it's the case, then GBH, attempted murder etc, but it's similar to Tony wossisname with the shotgun, it would all depend on whether she was under threat at the time, or the guy was heading away.More likely; she's cut him up, he catches up with her in traffic, kicks out at the car on the way past and carries on down the road, she sees red, floors it and aims for him. A pair of idiots but only one of them was flailing around with a deadly weapon.
I had some chimp in a Fiesta ST being a dick as I was in the outside lane of a dual carriageway doing 75/80, absolutely nothing else on the road so I didnt pull back after passing the last car I saw as was turning right in half a mile, he flies up at over a 100 and blows his horn flashes his lights, I indicated in to let him by and he goes up the inside as I am moving out of his way, so I blow my horn and thus starts a few miles of brake testing and general arsery I coudltn be bothered with, all a bit unnescessary really, not sure what his problem was but we ended up sat behind him in traffic, him still carrying on.
Anyway I had my three kids in the car, I turned the interior light on and all three were looking out, he shut up then, he saw four big lads and lost interest in his game, now I would never risk them getting out or anything, but he didnt know that.
Anyway I had my three kids in the car, I turned the interior light on and all three were looking out, he shut up then, he saw four big lads and lost interest in his game, now I would never risk them getting out or anything, but he didnt know that.
Mr Gear said:
sc0tt said:
The cyclist kicked the car.
All bets are off.
Believe it or not, it is not illegal to hit or kick a car. If you actually DAMAGE it, then that person could sue you or you could be done for criminal damage.All bets are off.
It certainly doesn't give anyone the right to attempt to kill someone.
Good try, but (like all internet lawyering), you're wrong. It is indeed illegal as both attempted criminal damage and, I would expect, an assault.
TheEnd said:
If it's the case, then GBH, attempted murder etc, but it's similar to Tony wossisname with the shotgun, it would all depend on whether she was under threat at the time, or the guy was heading away.
Perhaps I am missing something but wasn't she sitting in a big (presumably locked or easily locked) SUV, with an engine and petrol? Meaning she and her children were safe unless the cyclist had a gun (plus she could easily drive away from him). Therefore hard to see any justification for her actions (if in fact she did try to run him down).Problem is that when people get really angry they behave irrationally.
Certainly I have suffered road rage myself and felt the urge to retaliate but fortunately have been able to calm myself down by thinking of the potential consequences: any short term pleasure from getting revenge almost certainly outweighed by the legal and financial repercussions.
walm said:
J4CKO said:
I was in the outside lane of a dual carriageway doing 75/80, absolutely nothing else on the road so I didnt pull back after passing the last car I saw as was turning right in half a mile.
Very brave of you to confess openly to being an OLM. 
ORD said:
Mr Gear said:
sc0tt said:
The cyclist kicked the car.
All bets are off.
Believe it or not, it is not illegal to hit or kick a car. If you actually DAMAGE it, then that person could sue you or you could be done for criminal damage.All bets are off.
It certainly doesn't give anyone the right to attempt to kill someone.
Good try, but (like all internet lawyering), you're wrong. It is indeed illegal as both attempted criminal damage and, I would expect, an assault.
(I've thumped the side of a car door before as I was being squeezed against railings and the car wasn't responding to shouts - the driver did respond, then threw abuse and then confessed to not having known I was there and presumably couldn't hear me over in car background noise. I'd've been pretty irate if I'd subsequently been convicted of attempted criminal damage).
Schnellmann said:
Perhaps I am missing something but wasn't she sitting in a big (presumably locked or easily locked) SUV, with an engine and petrol? Meaning she and her children were safe unless the cyclist had a gun (plus she could easily drive away from him). Therefore hard to see any justification for her actions (if in fact she did try to run him down).
Indeed if she did try to run him down. If someone was intent on damaging your car would you not try to get yourself, and car, away from that person, so even if safe it is quite reasonable for her to try to get away from an irate and possible irrational personSchnellmann said:
Problem is that when people get really angry they behave irrationally.
Yes, and possibly not just the car driver in this case.It may be the woman was trying to get some kind of revenge for the guy kicker her car, it may not.
StottyEvo said:
IMO she failed when she got into a heated arguement whilst 5 kids were in her car.
I'd always avoid getting into any kind of altercation when I'm with my little sister, all it is going to do is upset her.
In my opinion, she probably failed before that... at the point she did something to upset the cyclist. The reason I don't have cyclists kicking my car is because I do everything I can to avoid injuring them in the first place.I'd always avoid getting into any kind of altercation when I'm with my little sister, all it is going to do is upset her.
It's because of things like this that I prefer to sit on my turbo trainer in the back garden. People seem to become much more aggressive on the road - false sense of security I guess.
Hence why the article isn't about an autistic man kicking a woman's double buggy in a queue at the local market, with her then chasing him down, losing control and ramming it into a market traders fruit stand. It just wouldn't happen. But it does on the road. Madness.
Hence why the article isn't about an autistic man kicking a woman's double buggy in a queue at the local market, with her then chasing him down, losing control and ramming it into a market traders fruit stand. It just wouldn't happen. But it does on the road. Madness.
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