RE: Dodge Challenger Hellcat: 707hp
Discussion
graemel said:
Mound Dawg said:
No reflection on the car itself but "Hellcat"?
Really?
Are they marketing these things to twelve year old Death Metal fans?
No it is a tribute to the Grumman Hellcat which was the Navy's dominant fighter plane during WW2. Not some muppet band.Really?
Are they marketing these things to twelve year old Death Metal fans?
Chrysler was contracted to build some of the engines for the F-6F Hellcat, much as Ford built (Consolidated) B-24 Liberator bombers, GM built many of the Grumman Wildcats (predecessor to the Hellcat), Packard built R-R Merlin V12s under license, Goodyear built the later Corsairs etc. IIRC, the Hellcat was responsible for downing more enemy aircraft in the Pacific theatre than any other type.
aeropilot said:
LuS1fer said:
aeropilot said:
Indeed, not to mention the fact that the Hemi in the Hellcat is a 'modern' Hemi engine that bears no connection (other than re-introducing the name) with either the original 1950's Hemi engine or the later fabled 426 Hemi engine of the 1960's.
I recall reading that the modern hemi isn't really a true hemi at all but can't find it now. However, one thing I did find is that these engines use 16 spark plugs - 2 per cylinder - 8 coil packs, each coil pack feeding another plug on the opposite bank by a normal plug lead.All for emissions but hell, 16 plugs!
Twin-plug heads - pah - old hat ;-)
Here's a 1940's era ELCO twin-plug ally head conversion of the Ford flathead V8 - note the 16 point dizzy!!
Here's one that's a bit more relevant: a 426 with dual distributors and a hi-rise Weiand dual-quad intake. I'd love to build a car with an engine like this someday!
bobberz said:
aeropilot said:
LuS1fer said:
aeropilot said:
Indeed, not to mention the fact that the Hemi in the Hellcat is a 'modern' Hemi engine that bears no connection (other than re-introducing the name) with either the original 1950's Hemi engine or the later fabled 426 Hemi engine of the 1960's.
I recall reading that the modern hemi isn't really a true hemi at all but can't find it now. However, one thing I did find is that these engines use 16 spark plugs - 2 per cylinder - 8 coil packs, each coil pack feeding another plug on the opposite bank by a normal plug lead.All for emissions but hell, 16 plugs!
Twin-plug heads - pah - old hat ;-)
Here's a 1940's era ELCO twin-plug ally head conversion of the Ford flathead V8 - note the 16 point dizzy!!
I know a guy here in the UK that has a set of these on his flatty powered pickup (which also has a fifties era McCulloch blower and nitrous fitted to it as well
)Shoshi said:
I always find it amusing that when an american car is brought up, particularly a Challenger the weight is always mentioned. However when there is a post about a BMW like the M6 Coupe, it is not mentioned. The M6 weighs as much as a Challenger...
That's because the people that usually slag of yank stuff actually know very little about them.Mound Dawg said:
No reflection on the car itself but "Hellcat"?
Really?
Are they marketing these things to twelve year old Death Metal fans?
Mustang, Challenger, Corvette, Hellcat, Prowler, Viper, Barracuda, Firebird - these are traditional "proper" evocative names like we used to have on our warplanes - Spitfire, Hurricane, Sopwith Camel... oh.Really?
Are they marketing these things to twelve year old Death Metal fans?
Sure as hell(cat) beats 3 series, 4 series, 5 series. Yawn.....
Civic, Fiesta, Golf, Scirocco....dear god, all hail lazy and boring.
I'm waiting for the Challenger Estate, rumoured to be called the Pussywagon....
LuS1fer said:
Mustang, Challenger, Corvette, Hellcat, Prowler, Viper, Barracuda, Firebird - these are traditional "proper" evocative names like we used to have on our warplanes - Spitfire, Hurricane, Sopwith Camel... oh.
Sure as hell(cat) beats 3 series, 4 series, 5 series. Yawn.....
Civic, Fiesta, Golf, Scirocco....dear god, all hail lazy and boring.
I'm waiting for the Challenger Estate, rumoured to be called the Pussywagon....
Sure as hell(cat) beats 3 series, 4 series, 5 series. Yawn.....
Civic, Fiesta, Golf, Scirocco....dear god, all hail lazy and boring.
I'm waiting for the Challenger Estate, rumoured to be called the Pussywagon....
Much better than something like "A45 AMG"...with the rest of the alphabet on the options list.
I wish I lived in the 'States and could afford a Hellcat. 
LuS1fer said:
The downside with these cars is the American propensity for dealers to be able to charge around $20000 premium for the first cars. always happens and mnaufacturers can't stop them, under the system they have over there.
The first Challengers and GT500s had these ludicrous "scabbing" premiums attached, until demand evened out and there was no longer a queue.
Yes I was surprised when I heard about this. The dealers buy the first cars and then retail them at a huge mark up so people can 'jump the queue' on a new car with a long waiting list. I guess there's nothing really 'wrong' with it. I mean only the really wealthy are going to pay a huge premium so they don't have to wait. It must slightly increase the waiting list though for everybody else.The first Challengers and GT500s had these ludicrous "scabbing" premiums attached, until demand evened out and there was no longer a queue.
iloveboost said:
Yes I was surprised when I heard about this. The dealers buy the first cars and then retail them at a huge mark up so people can 'jump the queue' on a new car with a long waiting list. I guess there's nothing really 'wrong' with it. I mean only the really wealthy are going to pay a huge premium so they don't have to wait. It must slightly increase the waiting list though for everybody else.
Whereas manufacturers have an iron grip on franchises in the UK, the US has a different sytem where they can do what the hell they like. Unfortunately, they will charge a premium for as long as people will pay it, In the case of the Challenger and GT500, that lasted a good few years though, of course, not all dealers do it.There is apparently one US dealership with a 2000 Mustang Cobra R on the showroom floor which the dealer just refused to sell, knowing it goes up in price every day.
Mound Dawg said:
graemel said:
No it is a tribute to the Grumman Hellcat which was the Navy's dominant fighter plane during WW2. Not some muppet band.
I won't hold my breath waiting for a Mercedes CLS 109 Gustav to pop up...www.ford.com/cars/mustang/trim/shelbygt500/
Edited by XJ Flyer on Thursday 3rd July 21:31
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Not really for me. Id prefer to get a used aston for the same money and get something just as unreiable but british built so at least it goes around corners has a fab interior and sounds like a rapturous snarling beast on full chat, not just loud and brash like someone took out the silencers. I'm comparing the Corvettes to Astons as le mans here,. so might not apply to the road cars.. but the Vantages going round the 24 hours are the best sounding car ever. ferarris are like annoying gnats, and porsches are well a bit quiet and raspy. Best of all girls know what an aston is, so replacing willy size with horsepower wont work. I dont think girls know what a dodge is and if you start quoting tech specs at them, you wont even get to drop them home (taxi please), let alone get invited for coffee. nah 420 is enough to go faster than you should, but in comfort and style.
Not really for me. Id prefer to get a used aston for the same money and get something just as unreiable but british built so at least it goes around corners has a fab interior and sounds like a rapturous snarling beast on full chat, not just loud and brash like someone took out the silencers. I'm comparing the Corvettes to Astons as le mans here,. so might not apply to the road cars.. but the Vantages going round the 24 hours are the best sounding car ever. ferarris are like annoying gnats, and porsches are well a bit quiet and raspy. Best of all girls know what an aston is, so replacing willy size with horsepower wont work. I dont think girls know what a dodge is and if you start quoting tech specs at them, you wont even get to drop them home (taxi please), let alone get invited for coffee. nah 420 is enough to go faster than you should, but in comfort and style.
TransverseTight said:
I suppose if you wanted to impress yourself knowing you had more horosepower than most people it would be a good choice, In that sense the marketing team have done a good job, they know that most people want to outdo other people. So it is a top trump car in 1 category, even if handling, looks, resale value, reliablity and usefulness it comes bottom. though the last category would obviously limit you a a VW T5 4 Motion which can do most things except win a drag race at Santa pod. Unless its against a Challenger thats already done 2 runs and fried the clutch.
Not really for me. Id prefer to get a used aston for the same money and get something just as unreiable but british built so at least it goes around corners has a fab interior and sounds like a rapturous snarling beast on full chat, not just loud and brash like someone took out the silencers. I'm comparing the Corvettes to Astons as le mans here,. so might not apply to the road cars.. but the Vantages going round the 24 hours are the best sounding car ever. ferarris are like annoying gnats, and porsches are well a bit quiet and raspy. Best of all girls know what an aston is, so replacing willy size with horsepower wont work. I dont think girls know what a dodge is and if you start quoting tech specs at them, you wont even get to drop them home (taxi please), let alone get invited for coffee. nah 420 is enough to go faster than you should, but in comfort and style.
Jesus - talk about totally missing the point. Not really for me. Id prefer to get a used aston for the same money and get something just as unreiable but british built so at least it goes around corners has a fab interior and sounds like a rapturous snarling beast on full chat, not just loud and brash like someone took out the silencers. I'm comparing the Corvettes to Astons as le mans here,. so might not apply to the road cars.. but the Vantages going round the 24 hours are the best sounding car ever. ferarris are like annoying gnats, and porsches are well a bit quiet and raspy. Best of all girls know what an aston is, so replacing willy size with horsepower wont work. I dont think girls know what a dodge is and if you start quoting tech specs at them, you wont even get to drop them home (taxi please), let alone get invited for coffee. nah 420 is enough to go faster than you should, but in comfort and style.
TransverseTight said:
I suppose if you wanted to impress yourself knowing you had more horosepower than most people it would be a good choice, In that sense the marketing team have done a good job, they know that most people want to outdo other people. So it is a top trump car in 1 category, even if handling, looks, resale value, reliablity and usefulness it comes bottom. though the last category would obviously limit you a a VW T5 4 Motion which can do most things except win a drag race at Santa pod. Unless its against a Challenger thats already done 2 runs and fried the clutch.
Not really for me. Id prefer to get a used aston for the same money and get something just as unreiable but british built so at least it goes around corners has a fab interior and sounds like a rapturous snarling beast on full chat, not just loud and brash like someone took out the silencers. I'm comparing the Corvettes to Astons as le mans here,. so might not apply to the road cars.. but the Vantages going round the 24 hours are the best sounding car ever. ferarris are like annoying gnats, and porsches are well a bit quiet and raspy. Best of all girls know what an aston is, so replacing willy size with horsepower wont work. I dont think girls know what a dodge is and if you start quoting tech specs at them, you wont even get to drop them home (taxi please), let alone get invited for coffee. nah 420 is enough to go faster than you should, but in comfort and style.
Says the owner of a Nissan Juke........Not really for me. Id prefer to get a used aston for the same money and get something just as unreiable but british built so at least it goes around corners has a fab interior and sounds like a rapturous snarling beast on full chat, not just loud and brash like someone took out the silencers. I'm comparing the Corvettes to Astons as le mans here,. so might not apply to the road cars.. but the Vantages going round the 24 hours are the best sounding car ever. ferarris are like annoying gnats, and porsches are well a bit quiet and raspy. Best of all girls know what an aston is, so replacing willy size with horsepower wont work. I dont think girls know what a dodge is and if you start quoting tech specs at them, you wont even get to drop them home (taxi please), let alone get invited for coffee. nah 420 is enough to go faster than you should, but in comfort and style.
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