RE: Dodge Challenger Hellcat: 707hp
Discussion
TransverseTight said:
LuS1fer said:
As Richard Hammond proved, if you're into impressing women, ditch the Aston and buy a puppy.
What series was that? Missed that one. Are there any alternatives to puppies as you can't go anywhere once you have a dog? A convertible Audi TT maybe?Maybe a Beetle done out as Herbie (though this would only be relevant to mature women possibly...)
TransverseTight said:
I suppose if you wanted to impress yourself knowing you had more horosepower than most people it would be a good choice, In that sense the marketing team have done a good job, they know that most people want to outdo other people. So it is a top trump car in 1 category, even if handling, looks, resale value, reliablity and usefulness it comes bottom. though the last category would obviously limit you a a VW T5 4 Motion which can do most things except win a drag race at Santa pod. Unless its against a Challenger thats already done 2 runs and fried the clutch. 
Not really for me. Id prefer to get a used aston for the same money and get something just as unreiable but british built so at least it goes around corners has a fab interior and sounds like a rapturous snarling beast on full chat, not just loud and brash like someone took out the silencers. I'm comparing the Corvettes to Astons as le mans here,. so might not apply to the road cars.. but the Vantages going round the 24 hours are the best sounding car ever. ferarris are like annoying gnats, and porsches are well a bit quiet and raspy. Best of all girls know what an aston is, so replacing willy size with horsepower wont work. I dont think girls know what a dodge is and if you start quoting tech specs at them, you wont even get to drop them home (taxi please), let alone get invited for coffee. nah 420 is enough to go faster than you should, but in comfort and style.
You talk about reliability and then mention Aston Martin. Your opinion is obviously uninformed and highly biased.Not really for me. Id prefer to get a used aston for the same money and get something just as unreiable but british built so at least it goes around corners has a fab interior and sounds like a rapturous snarling beast on full chat, not just loud and brash like someone took out the silencers. I'm comparing the Corvettes to Astons as le mans here,. so might not apply to the road cars.. but the Vantages going round the 24 hours are the best sounding car ever. ferarris are like annoying gnats, and porsches are well a bit quiet and raspy. Best of all girls know what an aston is, so replacing willy size with horsepower wont work. I dont think girls know what a dodge is and if you start quoting tech specs at them, you wont even get to drop them home (taxi please), let alone get invited for coffee. nah 420 is enough to go faster than you should, but in comfort and style.
TransverseTight said:
I suppose if you wanted to impress yourself knowing you had more horosepower than most people it would be a good choice, In that sense the marketing team have done a good job, they know that most people want to outdo other people. So it is a top trump car in 1 category, even if handling, looks, resale value, reliablity and usefulness it comes bottom. though the last category would obviously limit you a a VW T5 4 Motion which can do most things except win a drag race at Santa pod. Unless its against a Challenger thats already done 2 runs and fried the clutch.
Not really for me. Id prefer to get a used aston for the same money and get something just as unreiable but british built so at least it goes around corners has a fab interior and sounds like a rapturous snarling beast on full chat, not just loud and brash like someone took out the silencers. I'm comparing the Corvettes to Astons as le mans here,. so might not apply to the road cars.. but the Vantages going round the 24 hours are the best sounding car ever. ferarris are like annoying gnats, and porsches are well a bit quiet and raspy. Best of all girls know what an aston is, so replacing willy size with horsepower wont work. I dont think girls know what a dodge is and if you start quoting tech specs at them, you wont even get to drop them home (taxi please), let alone get invited for coffee. nah 420 is enough to go faster than you should, but in comfort and style.
1.- Sports car-like handling isn't the point of a muscle car. Not really for me. Id prefer to get a used aston for the same money and get something just as unreiable but british built so at least it goes around corners has a fab interior and sounds like a rapturous snarling beast on full chat, not just loud and brash like someone took out the silencers. I'm comparing the Corvettes to Astons as le mans here,. so might not apply to the road cars.. but the Vantages going round the 24 hours are the best sounding car ever. ferarris are like annoying gnats, and porsches are well a bit quiet and raspy. Best of all girls know what an aston is, so replacing willy size with horsepower wont work. I dont think girls know what a dodge is and if you start quoting tech specs at them, you wont even get to drop them home (taxi please), let alone get invited for coffee. nah 420 is enough to go faster than you should, but in comfort and style.
2.- Looks are subjective. I think the Challenger is the best looking of the modern muscle cars, though nowhere near as nice as the original.
3.- I suspect it'll hold its value better than any new Merc AMG, BMW M_, Aston, or Ferrari (barring the LaF).
4.- Reliability can't be worse than most European marques and when things do break, servicing costs are a fraction of the price.
5.- A Challenger is no less useful than any other 2+2 coupe.
I did get a chuckle out of the "ferarris are like annoying gnats" comment.
Shoshi said:
TransverseTight said:
I suppose if you wanted to impress yourself knowing you had more horosepower than most people it would be a good choice, In that sense the marketing team have done a good job, they know that most people want to outdo other people. So it is a top trump car in 1 category, even if handling, looks, resale value, reliablity and usefulness it comes bottom. though the last category would obviously limit you a a VW T5 4 Motion which can do most things except win a drag race at Santa pod. Unless its against a Challenger thats already done 2 runs and fried the clutch.
Not really for me. Id prefer to get a used aston for the same money and get something just as unreiable but british built so at least it goes around corners has a fab interior and sounds like a rapturous snarling beast on full chat, not just loud and brash like someone took out the silencers. I'm comparing the Corvettes to Astons as le mans here,. so might not apply to the road cars.. but the Vantages going round the 24 hours are the best sounding car ever. ferarris are like annoying gnats, and porsches are well a bit quiet and raspy. Best of all girls know what an aston is, so replacing willy size with horsepower wont work. I dont think girls know what a dodge is and if you start quoting tech specs at them, you wont even get to drop them home (taxi please), let alone get invited for coffee. nah 420 is enough to go faster than you should, but in comfort and style.
You talk about reliability and then mention Aston Martin. Your opinion is obviously uninformed and highly biased.Not really for me. Id prefer to get a used aston for the same money and get something just as unreiable but british built so at least it goes around corners has a fab interior and sounds like a rapturous snarling beast on full chat, not just loud and brash like someone took out the silencers. I'm comparing the Corvettes to Astons as le mans here,. so might not apply to the road cars.. but the Vantages going round the 24 hours are the best sounding car ever. ferarris are like annoying gnats, and porsches are well a bit quiet and raspy. Best of all girls know what an aston is, so replacing willy size with horsepower wont work. I dont think girls know what a dodge is and if you start quoting tech specs at them, you wont even get to drop them home (taxi please), let alone get invited for coffee. nah 420 is enough to go faster than you should, but in comfort and style.
aeropilot said:
bobberz said:
aeropilot said:
LuS1fer said:
aeropilot said:
Indeed, not to mention the fact that the Hemi in the Hellcat is a 'modern' Hemi engine that bears no connection (other than re-introducing the name) with either the original 1950's Hemi engine or the later fabled 426 Hemi engine of the 1960's.
I recall reading that the modern hemi isn't really a true hemi at all but can't find it now. However, one thing I did find is that these engines use 16 spark plugs - 2 per cylinder - 8 coil packs, each coil pack feeding another plug on the opposite bank by a normal plug lead.All for emissions but hell, 16 plugs!
Twin-plug heads - pah - old hat ;-)
Here's a 1940's era ELCO twin-plug ally head conversion of the Ford flathead V8 - note the 16 point dizzy!!
I know a guy here in the UK that has a set of these on his flatty powered pickup (which also has a fifties era McCulloch blower and nitrous fitted to it as well
)Here's a car owned by a friend of mine, Eric Zausner. It's a '32 roadster built by the greatest metalworking genius alive, Steve Moal. That's an ArDun OHV conversion on a Ford Flathead V8, with a period-correct S.C.O.T. supercharger topped by a one-off intake. The car is inspired by the Indianapolis racers from the '40s and '50s and has a Miller grille and a full period Indy car tube chassis, as well as enough details that you could spend a month just looking at the car.
Here's a few of his other cars, all built by Steve Moal.
First, the Moal Torpedo. Kind of a hybrid hot rod/sports car with a complete crate drivetrain from a Ferrari 575 Maranello that Eric finagled from Ferrari (that's a great story in itself!)
Next up, the Zephyr, loosely based on a 1934 Ford. The body is all custom from the cowl back. It's hard to see from the photo, but it has a boat-tail. That's a red alligator interior with a dashboard from a Cord. The engine is a Buick Nailhead and it has independent front suspension from a 1948 Indy car!
Next, his '36 Aerosport. Again, loosely based on a Ford, this time a 1936 model. The engine is a Ford 312 Y-block (as in a '57 Thunderbird) with dual Novi superchargers. The interior has an aviation theme and all the aircraft gauges are functional, including the altimeter!
Finally, his most recent build, a one-off '33 Ford Victoria with bodywork inspired by the Blue Train Bentley. Oh, by the way, it has a Falconer V12 aircraft engine with 1200 horsepower and 1100 lb.-ft. of torque, naturally aspirated! This is no rat rod; it's a $million+ work of steampunk-inspired art. The fenders (wings) are hand-formed aluminum. I could write a book on this car!
Please check out my Flickr page for the rest of my pics in full resolution (the V12 pics are 7712 x 4352):
https://www.flickr.com/photos/35956455@N07/page1/
bobberz said:
aeropilot said:
bobberz said:
aeropilot said:
LuS1fer said:
aeropilot said:
Indeed, not to mention the fact that the Hemi in the Hellcat is a 'modern' Hemi engine that bears no connection (other than re-introducing the name) with either the original 1950's Hemi engine or the later fabled 426 Hemi engine of the 1960's.
I recall reading that the modern hemi isn't really a true hemi at all but can't find it now. However, one thing I did find is that these engines use 16 spark plugs - 2 per cylinder - 8 coil packs, each coil pack feeding another plug on the opposite bank by a normal plug lead.All for emissions but hell, 16 plugs!
Twin-plug heads - pah - old hat ;-)
Here's a 1940's era ELCO twin-plug ally head conversion of the Ford flathead V8 - note the 16 point dizzy!!
I know a guy here in the UK that has a set of these on his flatty powered pickup (which also has a fifties era McCulloch blower and nitrous fitted to it as well
)And remember, rodders went out to the salt and the dry lakes in the late 30's and then after the war as a result of an English bloke named Campbell using those places for the extra space needed for faster land speed records, which had out-stripped the available spaces we had here in the UK - namely Pendine Sands which had seen use in the 1920 by Campbell and Parry-Thomas for their LSR attempts.
As a result the UK's Vintage Hot Rod Association got the chance to run a vintage hot rod speed trial back on Pendine last summer for pre-1949 vehicles. It was a roaring success and the 2nd one was held back at Pendine last weekend.
Here's a link to VHRA's video clip about the first one back in Sept. 2013.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vXrHaagRuY
bobberz said:
Here's a car owned by a friend of mine, Eric Zausner. It's a '32 roadster built by the greatest metalworking genius alive, Steve Moal. That's an ArDun OHV conversion on a Ford Flathead V8, with a period-correct S.C.O.T. supercharger topped by a one-off intake.
Nice car.Love those Ardun OHV flathead conversions
Sprint car steering as well, which is always a nice touch on a hot rod.
I'm not too keen on the front grille look though. And the disc brakes are a big no-no from me as well, should have Buick finned drums
Guess I'm too much of a traditionalist
aeropilot said:
bobberz said:
aeropilot said:
bobberz said:
aeropilot said:
LuS1fer said:
aeropilot said:
Indeed, not to mention the fact that the Hemi in the Hellcat is a 'modern' Hemi engine that bears no connection (other than re-introducing the name) with either the original 1950's Hemi engine or the later fabled 426 Hemi engine of the 1960's.
I recall reading that the modern hemi isn't really a true hemi at all but can't find it now. However, one thing I did find is that these engines use 16 spark plugs - 2 per cylinder - 8 coil packs, each coil pack feeding another plug on the opposite bank by a normal plug lead.All for emissions but hell, 16 plugs!
Twin-plug heads - pah - old hat ;-)
Here's a 1940's era ELCO twin-plug ally head conversion of the Ford flathead V8 - note the 16 point dizzy!!
I know a guy here in the UK that has a set of these on his flatty powered pickup (which also has a fifties era McCulloch blower and nitrous fitted to it as well
)And remember, rodders went out to the salt and the dry lakes in the late 30's and then after the war as a result of an English bloke named Campbell using those places for the extra space needed for faster land speed records, which had out-stripped the available spaces we had here in the UK - namely Pendine Sands which had seen use in the 1920 by Campbell and Parry-Thomas for their LSR attempts.
As a result the UK's Vintage Hot Rod Association got the chance to run a vintage hot rod speed trial back on Pendine last summer for pre-1949 vehicles. It was a roaring success and the 2nd one was held back at Pendine last weekend.
Here's a link to VHRA's video clip about the first one back in Sept. 2013.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vXrHaagRuY
bobberz said:
Here's a car owned by a friend of mine, Eric Zausner. It's a '32 roadster built by the greatest metalworking genius alive, Steve Moal. That's an ArDun OHV conversion on a Ford Flathead V8, with a period-correct S.C.O.T. supercharger topped by a one-off intake.
Nice car.Love those Ardun OHV flathead conversions
Sprint car steering as well, which is always a nice touch on a hot rod.
I'm not too keen on the front grille look though. And the disc brakes are a big no-no from me as well, should have Buick finned drums
Guess I'm too much of a traditionalist
Wkotuning said:
Love it , wish that uk car design was anything like as cool or as fast for the money
The problem is too many people care more about interior perceived quality than how a car drives, so I can't see any UK manufacturers developing a car with this level of performance and asking price. They'd get slated on here for selling a car with such a 'cheap' interior., wish that uk car design was anything like as cool or as fast for the moneyaeropilot said:
TransverseTight said:
I suppose if you wanted to impress yourself knowing you had more horosepower than most people it would be a good choice, In that sense the marketing team have done a good job, they know that most people want to outdo other people. So it is a top trump car in 1 category, even if handling, looks, resale value, reliablity and usefulness it comes bottom. though the last category would obviously limit you a a VW T5 4 Motion which can do most things except win a drag race at Santa pod. Unless its against a Challenger thats already done 2 runs and fried the clutch.
Not really for me. Id prefer to get a used aston for the same money and get something just as unreiable but british built so at least it goes around corners has a fab interior and sounds like a rapturous snarling beast on full chat, not just loud and brash like someone took out the silencers. I'm comparing the Corvettes to Astons as le mans here,. so might not apply to the road cars.. but the Vantages going round the 24 hours are the best sounding car ever. ferarris are like annoying gnats, and porsches are well a bit quiet and raspy. Best of all girls know what an aston is, so replacing willy size with horsepower wont work. I dont think girls know what a dodge is and if you start quoting tech specs at them, you wont even get to drop them home (taxi please), let alone get invited for coffee. nah 420 is enough to go faster than you should, but in comfort and style.
Says the owner of a Nissan Juke........Not really for me. Id prefer to get a used aston for the same money and get something just as unreiable but british built so at least it goes around corners has a fab interior and sounds like a rapturous snarling beast on full chat, not just loud and brash like someone took out the silencers. I'm comparing the Corvettes to Astons as le mans here,. so might not apply to the road cars.. but the Vantages going round the 24 hours are the best sounding car ever. ferarris are like annoying gnats, and porsches are well a bit quiet and raspy. Best of all girls know what an aston is, so replacing willy size with horsepower wont work. I dont think girls know what a dodge is and if you start quoting tech specs at them, you wont even get to drop them home (taxi please), let alone get invited for coffee. nah 420 is enough to go faster than you should, but in comfort and style.
Pesty said:
10.8 quarter time is mightily impressive for a road car costing what that does in the USA.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff