Ordered a Nissan Leaf
Discussion
So this morning I went into the local Nissan dealer, tried out a Leaf.
It's a proper car.
Acceleration was brisk, the car spacious and I can live with the range. Very easy to achieve a smooth drive. I'm buying one second hand (prefer battery ownership).
We'll use it for all our crap mileage: the commute to work, the trip to the rail station, shopping etc.
I'm keeping the petrol sports cars, of course, so we can do longer journeys in those.
I hope to take advantage of the British Gas charge point offer. Anyone done that?
It's a proper car.
Acceleration was brisk, the car spacious and I can live with the range. Very easy to achieve a smooth drive. I'm buying one second hand (prefer battery ownership).
We'll use it for all our crap mileage: the commute to work, the trip to the rail station, shopping etc.
I'm keeping the petrol sports cars, of course, so we can do longer journeys in those.
I hope to take advantage of the British Gas charge point offer. Anyone done that?
ks.Good for you, Like you say. As a second car it makes sense.
Without the other car though,...
When you have to take an longer trip? Will you make it? Isn't it annoying when your laptop or phone is low on battery. Do you really want that with a car?
Or would you rather just go and stick some fossil stuff in?
Without the other car though,...
When you have to take an longer trip? Will you make it? Isn't it annoying when your laptop or phone is low on battery. Do you really want that with a car?
Or would you rather just go and stick some fossil stuff in?
Edited by 23rdian on Sunday 6th July 16:21
Patrick1964 said:
I looked at these - as an appliance it looks fine. I reckon if I spent 10k on one and ran it for five years general commuting and such it would pay for itself. Still on the fence though.
This is my idea. I've given them a budget of 13 - 14K. They've found me a car in their network that matches. 3K miles, 2013. I'll keep it at least five years, probably seven, then it will be worn out. I have a thirty mile a day round trip to work and it is on this journey that I reckon I will make most of my money back. EskimoArapaho said:
Interesting. Am considering the Leaf for similar reasons, but I'm more likely to lease a new one for a couple of years instead of buying.
I can't see how this would pay off for me - once the battery lease cost is added it ends up costing too much. Personally the only way I could justify one if it was effectively "free". Once it costs more to own than something under the "bangernomics" scheme I'm oot....Patrick1964 said:
EskimoArapaho said:
Interesting. Am considering the Leaf for similar reasons, but I'm more likely to lease a new one for a couple of years instead of buying.
I can't see how this would pay off for me - once the battery lease cost is added it ends up costing too much. Personally the only way I could justify one if it was effectively "free". Once it costs more to own than something under the "bangernomics" scheme I'm oot....I could never justify the running costs of a Leaf, but no more so than any other brand new car. Where the Leaf will presumably really fail is as a second hand proposition because no-one wants to pay a hundred quid a month battery lease on a second-hand car.
Patrick1964 said:
I can't see how this would pay off for me - once the battery lease cost is added it ends up costing too much. Personally the only way I could justify one if it was effectively "free". Once it costs more to own than something under the "bangernomics" scheme I'm oot....
Is the Leaf another one you need to pay the battery lease on even when it's 2nd hand ? (like the Renault Fluence - which have had some serious depreciation)Brilliant. I'm hugely enthusiastic for EV's and have to admit I'm disproportionately excited whenever I see a Leaf on the roads (as honestly I haven't seen many other EV's, like the Renault Zoe, Tesla, etc - though have seen an i3).
Be really keen to find out how you get on with it. Hope to get an EV myself in the next couple of years.
Be really keen to find out how you get on with it. Hope to get an EV myself in the next couple of years.
I don't get the whole battery lease thing. Like leasing a normal cars engine. It's a huge tie. Surely a little engined new car with 30 quid a year tax would work out at about the same a month, plus you have The advantage ow being able to buy the car cheaper, fill it up where and when you want, do a long journey in it, and sell it on without imposing a financial commitment on to someone else. As the car depreciates in value, I guess the monthly battery rental doesn't.
Having experience of The Leaf I can say it is a cracking car. Not at all experimental feeling, not at all odd. Just a decent car with rather fun acceleration. My wife has a mile trip to work. She can walk, but with stuff to carry (She's a teacher, books by the dozen to carry) and in crap weather she takes the car. A 2.2 diesel 4x4 is hardly ideal, neither is the 1.8 petrol. She did use my old 2.5 petrol ZT. The fuel computer read 16MPG!
I'd seriously consider a leaf, but I'd want to own all of it.
Having experience of The Leaf I can say it is a cracking car. Not at all experimental feeling, not at all odd. Just a decent car with rather fun acceleration. My wife has a mile trip to work. She can walk, but with stuff to carry (She's a teacher, books by the dozen to carry) and in crap weather she takes the car. A 2.2 diesel 4x4 is hardly ideal, neither is the 1.8 petrol. She did use my old 2.5 petrol ZT. The fuel computer read 16MPG!
I'd seriously consider a leaf, but I'd want to own all of it.
wildcat45 said:
I don't get the whole battery lease thing. Like leasing a normal cars engine. It's a huge tie. Surely a little engined new car with 30 quid a year tax would work out at about the same a month, plus you have The advantage ow being able to buy the car cheaper, fill it up where and when you want, do a long journey in it, and sell it on without imposing a financial commitment on to someone else. As the car depreciates in value, I guess the monthly battery rental doesn't.
Having experience of The Leaf I can say it is a cracking car. Not at all experimental feeling, not at all odd. Just a decent car with rather fun acceleration. My wife has a mile trip to work. She can walk, but with stuff to carry (She's a teacher, books by the dozen to carry) and in crap weather she takes the car. A 2.2 diesel 4x4 is hardly ideal, neither is the 1.8 petrol. She did use my old 2.5 petrol ZT. The fuel computer read 16MPG!
I'd seriously consider a leaf, but I'd want to own all of it.
You can own the battery too, it'll just cost you more up front. I guess that the lease thing is to appease the people that are worried about the life of the battery and cost of replacing it. If you don't own it, it won't cost you anything to replace. It's probably perfectly durable though. No oil changes, no cambelts, no emmission control worries, no getting fleeced for an exhaust. Having experience of The Leaf I can say it is a cracking car. Not at all experimental feeling, not at all odd. Just a decent car with rather fun acceleration. My wife has a mile trip to work. She can walk, but with stuff to carry (She's a teacher, books by the dozen to carry) and in crap weather she takes the car. A 2.2 diesel 4x4 is hardly ideal, neither is the 1.8 petrol. She did use my old 2.5 petrol ZT. The fuel computer read 16MPG!
I'd seriously consider a leaf, but I'd want to own all of it.
Willy Nilly said:
wildcat45 said:
I don't get the whole battery lease thing. Like leasing a normal cars engine. It's a huge tie. Surely a little engined new car with 30 quid a year tax would work out at about the same a month, plus you have The advantage ow being able to buy the car cheaper, fill it up where and when you want, do a long journey in it, and sell it on without imposing a financial commitment on to someone else. As the car depreciates in value, I guess the monthly battery rental doesn't.
Having experience of The Leaf I can say it is a cracking car. Not at all experimental feeling, not at all odd. Just a decent car with rather fun acceleration. My wife has a mile trip to work. She can walk, but with stuff to carry (She's a teacher, books by the dozen to carry) and in crap weather she takes the car. A 2.2 diesel 4x4 is hardly ideal, neither is the 1.8 petrol. She did use my old 2.5 petrol ZT. The fuel computer read 16MPG!
I'd seriously consider a leaf, but I'd want to own all of it.
You can own the battery too, it'll just cost you more up front. I guess that the lease thing is to appease the people that are worried about the life of the battery and cost of replacing it. If you don't own it, it won't cost you anything to replace. It's probably perfectly durable though. No oil changes, no cambelts, no emmission control worries, no getting fleeced for an exhaust. Having experience of The Leaf I can say it is a cracking car. Not at all experimental feeling, not at all odd. Just a decent car with rather fun acceleration. My wife has a mile trip to work. She can walk, but with stuff to carry (She's a teacher, books by the dozen to carry) and in crap weather she takes the car. A 2.2 diesel 4x4 is hardly ideal, neither is the 1.8 petrol. She did use my old 2.5 petrol ZT. The fuel computer read 16MPG!
I'd seriously consider a leaf, but I'd want to own all of it.
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