Do you use parent and child spaces without children?

[marcosgt]

I always try and persuade my dad (he's in his 80s) to park in them when I'm with him, but he never does...

M.

[DonkeyApple]

funkyrobot said:

Potatoes said:

SPD14 said:

The child spaces used to annoy me, until I had children and saw then sense in them.

Yeah, I'd admit to this too

Funnily enough, I was never bothered about these spaces when I wasn't a parent. I never saw it as someone else getting more than me.

Now we have a baby, we do find them very useful.

I still prefer to park as far away from all humanity as possible and select quiet times to be there.

But that does raise the question as to what the juddering fk goes through the minds of the weirdos who then park right next to you. They are either deranged or Italian. Very odd behaviour.

[Mr2Mike]

Diderot said:

What is this online shopping you speak of? You mean it's actually possible do a shop without having to take one's screaming snotty virus ridden little blighters to a supermarket on a Saturday morning? Blimey.

If your happy to pay extra for the privilege, and usually have a number of items swapped with inappropriate substitutions...

[SrMoreno]

Mr2Mike said:

Diderot said:

What is this online shopping you speak of? You mean it's actually possible do a shop without having to take one's screaming snotty virus ridden little blighters to a supermarket on a Saturday morning? Blimey.

If your happy to pay extra for the privilege, and usually have a number of items swapped with inappropriate substitutions...

And get the near-rancid dregs of the veg and meat sections.

[Devil2575]

DonkeyApple said:

Devil2575 said:

DonkeyApple said:

As it stands, spaces at the majority of supermarkets are absolutely fine and I'm sure that actually a lot of thought goes into maximising the spaces available v still being useable.

Are they?

I don't have a big car and I haven't found a car park yet where I can open the door fully in a standard space. It's also very dependent on how the person next to you parks. With a parent and child space there is a wide strip between each space which is what makes them so useful.

When could you ever? The person I was responding to was making reference to a period of time a few decades ago. I don't recall back then that doors could be opened fully.

Besides which, there is obviously no need for the doors to open fully for a normal functioning human to be able to get in and out without doing damage. Damage is something done by vegetables who are unable to function as normal members of society.

And, I don't believe we were discussing P&C spaces at this point but just conventional spaces.

Edited by DonkeyApple on Wednesday 25th February 15:21

There is a need for doors to open fully when you need to get children in and out of child seats. Once they can get in and out themselves it is a lot easier but until that point if you cannot open the door fully it can be a real challenge.
You are right, spaces were never so wide that you could open doors fully, but child seats weren't required by law.

[Devil2575]

Mr2Mike said:

If your happy to pay extra for the privilege, and usually have a number of items swapped with inappropriate substitutions...

I used to order shopping online but got sick of it for the reasons mentioned.

[DonkeyApple]

Devil2575 said:

DonkeyApple said:

Devil2575 said:

DonkeyApple said:

As it stands, spaces at the majority of supermarkets are absolutely fine and I'm sure that actually a lot of thought goes into maximising the spaces available v still being useable.

Are they?

I don't have a big car and I haven't found a car park yet where I can open the door fully in a standard space. It's also very dependent on how the person next to you parks. With a parent and child space there is a wide strip between each space which is what makes them so useful.

When could you ever? The person I was responding to was making reference to a period of time a few decades ago. I don't recall back then that doors could be opened fully.

Besides which, there is obviously no need for the doors to open fully for a normal functioning human to be able to get in and out without doing damage. Damage is something done by vegetables who are unable to function as normal members of society.

And, I don't believe we were discussing P&C spaces at this point but just conventional spaces.

Edited by DonkeyApple on Wednesday 25th February 15:21

There is a need for doors to open fully when you need to get children in and out of child seats. Once they can get in and out themselves it is a lot easier but until that point if you cannot open the door fully it can be a real challenge.
You are right, spaces were never so wide that you could open doors fully, but child seats weren't required by law.

Never found it an issue to be honest. And I'm 6'2 with a and back and had two toddlers a years apart. Even when they were babies in this buckets I only needed a half open door to get them in.

Used 5 door and 3 door cars from small to rather large and never found I 'needed' to open the door fully. I've been perfectly capable of getting two toddlers into a car and without damaging anyone else's property.

The ability to open the door wide is a luxury and very much not a necessity.

[northwest monkey]

Devil2575 said:

Mr2Mike said:

If your happy to pay extra for the privilege, and usually have a number of items swapped with inappropriate substitutions...

I used to order shopping online but got sick of it for the reasons mentioned.

Then you're not doing it right - you can set it up (with Tesco anyway) so they have proper substitutions. My missus has been doing it for years and as a result we probably go near a supermarket once a month if that.

She pays £30 for the year for delivery (Monday - Thursday during the day slots) which seems like a bloody bargain to me considering they pick it, pack it & deliver it.

[DonkeyApple]

northwest monkey said:

Then you're not doing it right - you can set it up (with Tesco anyway) so they have proper substitutions. My missus has been doing it for years and as a result we probably go near a supermarket once a month if that.

She pays £30 for the year for delivery (Monday - Thursday during the day slots) which seems like a bloody bargain to me considering they pick it, pack it & deliver it.

We use a Tesco delivery for all the branded, non food stuff and just buy meat and veg as needed from the local indy stores, with a fortnightly delivery of fish things from Cornwall and steak, bacon and sausages from the West Country.

The net result is that the only time I need to go to a supermarket is when we are having a dinner party or the usual system gets out of kilter and needs a top up.

I take both the kids, park in the furthest corner and sling them in a big trolly. They don't run around or scream and nor do any of the other children in the supermarket.

God knows where some people are going to find all these screaming ruffians but it's probably linked to why they are so upset in the first instance. They have failed to put the work in to not be living within spitting distance of a sink estate.

[Blakewater]

Not a supermarket car park, but my local garden centre has made it's spaces extra wide for the old folk to manoeuvre in and out of.

[Monkeylegend]

Good, so we finally have agreement then.

[DonkeyApple]

Blakewater said:

Not a supermarket car park, but my local garden centre has made it's spaces extra wide for the old folk to manoeuvre in and out of.

A good example of a commercial business designing its carpark to benefit its most important customers. It's good to see smaller businesses learning from the multinationals about how to maximise client spending. About time.

[Monkeylegend]

DonkeyApple said:

Blakewater said:

Not a supermarket car park, but my local garden centre has made it's spaces extra wide for the old folk to manoeuvre in and out of.

A good example of a commercial business designing its carpark to benefit its most important customers. It's good to see smaller businesses learning from the multinationals about how to maximise client spending. About time.

And painting the trees in bright colours so us old fogeys can see them.

[anonymous-user]

Blakewater said:

Not a supermarket car park, but my local garden centre has made it's spaces extra wide for the old folk to manoeuvre in and out of.

Because at a garden centre people buy large awkward shaped things. Unlike a supermarket where a trolley suffices?

[Yazar]

Ikea, diy sheds and my local timber yard all have standard spaces despite the higher likely hood of large awkward things - most of the people at garden centers seem to attend for lunch and to buy the odd plant!

[Vipers]

Blakewater said:

Not a supermarket car park, but my local garden centre has made it's spaces extra wide for the old folk to manoeuvre in and out of.

Fantastic, do you ever see anyone taking two spaces?

That is how spaces should be.

[JonnyVTEC]

northwest monkey said:

Then you're not doing it right - you can set it up (with Tesco anyway) so they have proper substitutions. My missus has been doing it for years and as a result we probably go near a supermarket once a month if that.

She pays £30 for the year for delivery (Monday - Thursday during the day slots) which seems like a bloody bargain to me considering they pick it, pack it & deliver it.

You probably eat boring crappy food then. I can't imagine anything more dull than food shopping online - i imagine the truth is most people end up 'copy and pasting' orders from one week to the next then go onto rave about how convenient it is after having spaghetti bolognases on Tuesdays for 30 weeks in a row.

[Toaster]

blueg33 said:

I get what you are saying, but you missed my point that is about planning policy and land availability.If they lose one bay per row they will almost certainly be in breach of their planning consent.

i'm sure it would be overlooked planning seems to be so relaxed these days but if not make the store smaller (just loose 1/2 am isle) or buy an extra 2.5 metre strip of land ! its not impossible

[272BHP]

JonnyVTEC said:

You probably eat boring crappy food then. I can't imagine anything more dull than food shopping online - i imagine the truth is most people end up 'copy and pasting' orders from one week to the next then go onto rave about how convenient it is after having spaghetti bolognases on Tuesdays for 30 weeks in a row.

I guess you just buy ready meals then? if you buy the basic ingredients, meat, veg, etc then you can make from it anything you want. Probably better to buy the meat from specialists though and probably the veg too.

The variety of our food has increased with online shopping, not decreased. My wife says she gets lots of ideas from just browsing the sites and as has already been mentioned the sheer convenience is difficult to beat.

[272BHP]

JonnyVTEC said:

You probably eat boring crappy food then. I can't imagine anything more dull than food shopping online - i imagine the truth is most people end up 'copy and pasting' orders from one week to the next then go onto rave about how convenient it is after having spaghetti bolognases on Tuesdays for 30 weeks in a row.

I guess you just buy ready meals then? if you buy the basic ingredients, meat, veg, etc then you can make from it anything you want. Probably better to buy the meat from specialists though and probably the veg too.

The variety of our food has increased with online shopping, not decreased. My wife says she gets lots of ideas from just browsing the sites and as has already been mentioned the sheer convenience is difficult to beat.