Do you use parent and child spaces without children?
Discussion
PurpleMoonlight said:
blueg33 said:
There is one thing that bugs me about threads on this topic
Why can people not accept that the land belongs to the supermarket, they are therefore free to tell people where they can and can't park, they are free to make spaces for whoever they want in what ever location they want ITS THEIR PROPERTY. If you don't like it go eleswhere.
If the parking pays were marked for white people only would you support that too because 'it's their property'?Why can people not accept that the land belongs to the supermarket, they are therefore free to tell people where they can and can't park, they are free to make spaces for whoever they want in what ever location they want ITS THEIR PROPERTY. If you don't like it go eleswhere.
I view p&c spaces similar to the gay b&b legal case. When the property is used for business purposes the property owner or operator should not discriminate against specific sections of society in it's use. Of course those that benefit from the discrimination think it's a wonderful idea, but that does not make the property owners desires fair and reasonable.
What if the supermarket decided to sell certain items to parents with children only, or had a P&C only checkout would the supporters of P&C spaces support that too?
To try and twist your perverted anger to align it with real causes reminds of those PIE loonies trying to link their argument to the GAL view.
You genuinely need help.
PurpleMoonlight said:
It wouldn't be if they did, but they don't.
Yes they do. Whether or not they achieve it is another matter.PurpleMoonlight said:
Many other people would benefit from being able to fully open their car doors but they can't because they don't have children with them.
Who are these many people who would see as much safety benefit as small children by having more space around their cars?PurpleMoonlight said:
It wouldn't be if they did, but they don't.
Many other people would benefit from being able to fully open their car doors but they can't because they don't have children with them.
You really are a fMany other people would benefit from being able to fully open their car doors but they can't because they don't have children with them.
king idiot, aren't you. I dip into this thread and see that you are still spouting your hatred and drivel.Why don't you do everyone a favour and just f
k off somewhere where you won't be hounded by anything to do with parents and kids.Your opinions suck absolute ass and you really do come across as a jealous, disturbed and very, very strange individual.
Q/ Why are disabled spaces close to the supermarket entrance?
A/ Because mobility is limited - and it makes sense to travel the shortest direction
Q/ Why are Parent and Child places close to the supermarket entrance?
A/ Because parent leaving the supermarket with a fully laden trolley with 1,2 or 3 young kids running around their feet does not have to negotiate row upon row of parked cars, worrying about kids running out onto the road and getting knocked down. ( Ever seen kids run like idiots in the supermarket? )
Q/ Why are the Disabled and P&C bays wider?
A/ Because they may have to get a wheelchair alongside - or a pram - or full width of door opening to get the kids in and out of the child seats.
Q/ Why do PH driving gods feel that they should park in the above bays?
A/ Because they are selfish bell-ends with no consideration with regards to the above.
A/ Because mobility is limited - and it makes sense to travel the shortest direction
Q/ Why are Parent and Child places close to the supermarket entrance?
A/ Because parent leaving the supermarket with a fully laden trolley with 1,2 or 3 young kids running around their feet does not have to negotiate row upon row of parked cars, worrying about kids running out onto the road and getting knocked down. ( Ever seen kids run like idiots in the supermarket? )
Q/ Why are the Disabled and P&C bays wider?
A/ Because they may have to get a wheelchair alongside - or a pram - or full width of door opening to get the kids in and out of the child seats.
Q/ Why do PH driving gods feel that they should park in the above bays?
A/ Because they are selfish bell-ends with no consideration with regards to the above.
Edited by Troubleatmill on Friday 27th February 08:55
funkyrobot said:
You really are a fking idiot, aren't you. I dip into this thread and see that you are still spouting your hatred and drivel.
Why don't you do everyone a favour and just fk off somewhere where you won't be hounded by anything to do with parents and kids.
Your opinions suck absolute ass and you really do come across as a jealous, disturbed and very, very strange individual.
And yet I can debate my opinion without swearing at and insulting people.king idiot, aren't you. I dip into this thread and see that you are still spouting your hatred and drivel.Why don't you do everyone a favour and just f
k off somewhere where you won't be hounded by anything to do with parents and kids.Your opinions suck absolute ass and you really do come across as a jealous, disturbed and very, very strange individual.
Strange world huh.
funkyrobot said:
You really are a fking idiot, aren't you. I dip into this thread and see that you are still spouting your hatred and drivel.
Why don't you do everyone a favour and just fk off somewhere where you won't be hounded by anything to do with parents and kids.
Your opinions suck absolute ass and you really do come across as a jealous, disturbed and very, very strange individual.
Whilst I would shy away from your candor, I fully understand, and agree with, the principles behind your rhetoric..king idiot, aren't you. I dip into this thread and see that you are still spouting your hatred and drivel.Why don't you do everyone a favour and just f
k off somewhere where you won't be hounded by anything to do with parents and kids.Your opinions suck absolute ass and you really do come across as a jealous, disturbed and very, very strange individual.
He seems to be a troubled individual, although I doubt he recognises that though.
Mave said:
Who are these many people who would see as much safety benefit as small children by having more space around their cars?
If you want to claim that the P&C spaces are for the safety of children, you should look to see where these often are.In the ASDA I sometimes go to they are right next to the only way out of the car park, probably the most dangerous place in the car park.
PurpleMoonlight said:
And yet I can debate my opinion without swearing at and insulting people.
Strange world huh.
No you don't. You insult every caring parent with your stupid, jealous ramblings.Strange world huh.
Also, you aren't debating an opinion. You just keep rolling out the same old tripe over and over again. You don't listen to other people's reasoned responses and just answer back with a bunch of tired, overused a quite pathetic comments.
I don't really care about swearing at you. Sometimes you have to do these things.
PurpleMoonlight said:
I seriously doubt that.
You would doubt that because you simply don't understand the rubbish you spout.You come across as someone who hates parents for being parents. You also think that every parent expects more than someone who isn't, purely because they have made a decision that you don't agree with. That's a very strange attitude to have.
funkyrobot said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
I seriously doubt that.
You would doubt that because you simply don't understand the rubbish you spout.You come across as someone who hates parents for being parents. You also think that every parent expects more than someone who isn't, purely because they have made a decision that you don't agree with. That's a very strange attitude to have.
yonex said:
It's not jealousy, he is just one of those self centered individuals that has no consideration for anyone else and his pompous pride gets a little hurt when he is criticized. He probably holds a decent job down and earns a good amount of money, which for him is all the entitlement he needs to be self important. You are wasting your breath with the guy. Just accept that there are good and bad people and this is one of the ones not worth trying to reason with. You can't teach a pig to dance
Indeed. PurpleMoonlight said:
If you want to claim that the P&C spaces are for the safety of children, you should look to see where these often are.
They often have enough space next to them to keep a child safe out of the main flow of traffic. Now, who are these many people who would see as much safety benefit as small children by having more space around their car?Mave said:
They often have enough space next to them to keep a child safe out of the main flow of traffic. Now, who are these many people who would see as much safety benefit as small children by having more space around their car?
Why do you think that more space equals more safety?Surely it matters where that space is. There is loads on the hard shoulder of the M1, is that a safe place though?
PurpleMoonlight said:
Mave said:
They often have enough space next to them to keep a child safe out of the main flow of traffic. Now, who are these many people who would see as much safety benefit as small children by having more space around their car?
Why do you think that more space equals more safety?Surely it matters where that space is. There is loads on the hard shoulder of the M1, is that a safe place though?
Toaster said:
blueg33 said:
I doubt it would be overlooked, supermarkets are always under close scrutiny of planners, and planning departments employ enforcement offers to pick up these things. I have has enforcement action over such things as a bin store a meter out of position. Planning is far from relaxed.
Making the store smaller is a commercial decision, but don't forget that many stores were built in the 1980's, cars have got bigger since then, typically you don't demolish part of a store. You will also find that most stores built in the last few years on the edge of town will have bigger spaces, Aldi certainly do.
Land is finite, you can't easily just go and buy a bit more, especially in developed areas.
I have some idea what I am talking about here, I have a land team whose job it is to buy land, some of it we sell to supermarkets
There is one thing that bugs me about threads on this topic
Why can people not accept that the land belongs to the supermarket, they are therefore free to tell people where they can and can't park, they are free to make spaces for whoever they want in what ever location they want ITS THEIR PROPERTY. If you don't like it go eleswhere.
The two statements contradict each other in one you bleat about planners and planning departments in the next you claim its the property of the supermarkets and they can do what they wish !Making the store smaller is a commercial decision, but don't forget that many stores were built in the 1980's, cars have got bigger since then, typically you don't demolish part of a store. You will also find that most stores built in the last few years on the edge of town will have bigger spaces, Aldi certainly do.
Land is finite, you can't easily just go and buy a bit more, especially in developed areas.
I have some idea what I am talking about here, I have a land team whose job it is to buy land, some of it we sell to supermarkets
There is one thing that bugs me about threads on this topic
Why can people not accept that the land belongs to the supermarket, they are therefore free to tell people where they can and can't park, they are free to make spaces for whoever they want in what ever location they want ITS THEIR PROPERTY. If you don't like it go eleswhere.
So which argument do you wish to standby Mr Land purchaser ? because if the latter is true a supermarket can make a parking space as big or small as they desire..........
Planning stipulates the number of spaces and the minimum number of disabled spaces, it doesnt care how other spaces are allocated as long as the allocation is legal.
Of course they can make spaces as big as they desire, but again you have missed the fact that the size of the site is finite.
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